Found Deceased PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *kidnapping arrest* #3

[Curiosity1234]

I know there were apparently two different times when people saw into JS's vehicle -- once when he drove past with (presumably) LS sitting in the passenger seat, and then again when the car was parked and someone took photos of the interior. Right?

Which of these instances was when people saw "something white"?

Because people are talking about something white being seen "on the seat" ie not on LS's person. Was that from when the car was parked?

Or is there a third (or more) time that people saw into the car?

I do believe Auntie Cipation that something white was seen on the seat allegedly at the Harvest Structures location. The man who saw JS car and took pictures, called police. By the time police got there JS was gone. I don't recall ever seeing a LE report or MSM article stating the man who took pictures saw something white on the front seat. That could have just been speculation by who knows ? JMO of course.

 

[Wildthing3]

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but what does the white (or black) cap have to do with anything at this particular point in time?

IMO it would have been important if we were still searching for the suspect. However, we are now searching for Linda, alive or dead.

Would the white (or black) cap have any impact on finding her NOW?

Would it tell us where she is or what happened to her?

I feel like this white cap thing has been beaten back and forth to the point of ridiculousness and I'm not sure I understand the ultimate importance of the cap in relation to finding LS today. Please explain.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Lancaster man charged with kidnapping in disappearance of Amish teen

In the car pic in front of the silo with this article, is that the “white object” we’re discussing?

The article states tan dress, white apron, black head covering.

 

[JDough]

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but what does the white (or black) cap have to do with anything at this particular point in time?

IMO it would have been important if we were still searching for the suspect. However, we are now searching for Linda, alive or dead.

Would the white (or black) cap have any impact on finding her NOW?

Would it tell us where she is or what happened to her?

I feel like this white cap thing has been beaten back and forth to the point of ridiculousness and I'm not sure I understand the ultimate importance of the cap in relation to finding LS today. Please explain.

I can only provide an explanation for my thoughts. And they are this: IF a white cap (or whatever it was) were seen or photographed, it potentially may have had some bearing on the arrest of JS (especially if LS's DNA was found on said cap or other object). The arrest of JS may lead to finding LS. Whether that is today or not. Again, as previously posted by myself, the white object may have no bearing whatsoever. But I have no problem discussing (or rolling and scrolling) what the white object was.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but what does the white (or black) cap have to do with anything at this particular point in time?

IMO it would have been important if we were still searching for the suspect. However, we are now searching for Linda, alive or dead.

Would the white (or black) cap have any impact on finding her NOW?

Would it tell us where she is or what happened to her?

I feel like this white cap thing has been beaten back and forth to the point of ridiculousness and I'm not sure I understand the ultimate importance of the cap in relation to finding LS today. Please explain.

Point well taken Wildthing3, next time someone asks about head covering even a new member, I will try to ignore and stay out of the ruckus.

 

[Hereshecomes75]

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but what does the white (or black) cap have to do with anything at this particular point in time?

IMO it would have been important if we were still searching for the suspect. However, we are now searching for Linda, alive or dead.

Would the white (or black) cap have any impact on finding her NOW?

Would it tell us where she is or what happened to her?

I feel like this white cap thing has been beaten back and forth to the point of ridiculousness and I'm not sure I understand the ultimate importance of the cap in relation to finding LS today. Please explain.

I don't think the detail will help to find her. But it will be an important point in a trial to establish that it was LS seen in JS’s car near Gap.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Point well taken Wildthing3, next time someone asks about head covering even a new member, I will try to ignore and stay out of the ruckus.

Additionally, I was just trying to be helpful which is in my nature but, doesn't always turn out like you expect it to.

 

[MontereyMama]

It's in here :
Police: More details about missing Amish teen Linda Stoltzfoos.

Investigators could see a red sedan traveling along Beechdale Road around 12:42 p.m. The driver's side window was down and a white object could be seen on the front seat passenger side.

I'm gonna quote myself here. Sorry! But I don't recall ever hearing or reading in MSM or anywhere else that a white object was seen on the seat by the man who photographed the car's interior. I know, it's getting too quiet here
Ultimate goal : Find Linda for closure for her dear family

 

[Twolabs]

The article states tan dress, white apron, black head covering.

Thank you, I did not see that article but it is the only place I have read that and it could be from the witness sighting. We can agree to disagree and I could be totally wrong. As I have stated this is JMO.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Was that Linda Stoltzfoos white apron ? Possibly. I do recall someone saying white object in JS car at Harvest Structures when business owner took pictures could have been her bra. The car might have had nothing in it at that time it was at Harvest Structures.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Could white object seen through drivers side open window have been Linda Stoltzfoos white apron moments after abduction ?

 

[MontereyMama]

Could white object seen through drivers side open window have been Linda Stoltzfoos white apron moments after abduction ?

That's what I think! JMO it may not have been a very clearly defined picture.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Thank you, I did not see that article but it is the only place I have read that and it could be from the witness sighting. We can agree to disagree and I could be totally wrong. As I have stated this is JMO.

Link to article in on MontereyMama thread, 3 or 4 threads up.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I do believe Auntie Cipation that something white was seen on the seat allegedly at the Harvest Structures location. The man who saw JS car and took pictures, called police. By the time police got there JS was gone. I don't recall ever seeing a LE report or MSM article stating the man who took pictures saw something white on the front seat. That could have just been speculation by who knows ? JMO of course.

Let me rephrase that. I don't know if something white was seen in car at Harvest Structures. The business owner took pictures, there was speculation on this thread as to why he took pictures and what pictures showed.

 

[Rosiebones]

Could white object seen through drivers side open window have been Linda Stoltzfoos white apron moments after abduction ?

If JS was wanting to disguise LS in some way quickly after he took her, all he would have had to do is take off her cap and loosen her hair and take her apron straps off her shoulders. It would have taken all of a minute tops. Instead he drove her, fully visible down narrow roads and he had to know that people were out walking those roads. I think this was a spur of the moment abduction by a not so smart guy who isn't good at thinking things through. MOO MOO MOO

 

[sallye818]

Still here for Linda, praying she will be returned to her family very soon.

 

[elysian2]

The only time the white object is officially mentioned is in the probable cause affadavit, in point 13. It doesn't say it is on the seat. It says "there appears to be a white in color object toward the passenger side front seat as it passes". This is from the image at 12:42 heading south on Beechdale road.

I don't think the detail will help to find her. But it will be an important point in a trial to establish that it was LS seen in JS’s car near Gap.

Yes, exactly this. It appears that this is the point LE are making in the affadavit; in point 19 where it describes the seconds leading up to the abduction itself, it describes what is presumed to be Linda as 'a lone person walking on Beechdale Road wearing white' (at 12:40:50). Further along the same point 'person wearing white' is repeated twice more. So imo, this is LE attempting to demonstrate that the 12:42 image caught a glimpse of Linda (person wearing white) just seconds later in JS' car in the 12:42 image - since they don't have footage of Linda actually entering the car, this is important to their case.

As to why the business owner at Harvest Structures took photos of the car interior, and what they showed, we have no idea - nothing concrete has been said about that.

 

[Curiosity1234]

If JS was wanting to disguise LS in some way quickly after he took her, all he would have had to do is take off her cap and loosen her hair and take her apron straps off her shoulders. It would have taken all of a minute tops. Instead he drove her, fully visible down narrow roads and he had to know that people were out walking those roads. I think this was a spur of the moment abduction by a not so smart guy who isn't good at thinking things through. MOO MOO MOO

I agree Rosiebones, spur of the moment abduction by not so smart guy. He pulled armed robberies years ago and didn't stop until he got caught.

 

[Curiosity1234]

The only time the white object is officially mentioned is in the probable cause affadavit, in point 13. It doesn't say it is on the seat. It says "there appears to be a white in color object toward the passenger side front seat as it passes". This is from the image at 12:42 heading south on Beechdale road.



Yes, exactly this. It appears that this is the point LE are making in the affadavit; in point 19 where it describes the seconds leading up to the abduction itself, it describes what is presumed to be Linda as 'a lone person walking on Beechdale Road wearing white' (at 12:40:50). Further along the same point 'person wearing white' is repeated twice more. So imo, this is LE attempting to demonstrate that the 12:42 image caught a glimpse of Linda (person wearing white) just seconds later in JS' car in the 12:42 image - since they don't have footage of Linda actually entering the car, this is important to their case.

As to why the business owner at Harvest Structures took photos of the car interior, and what they showed, we have no idea - nothing concrete has been said about that.

I agree elysian2 with all you said. As far as business owner taking pictures and why, we don't know. Again some speculated as to why and what he saw but speculation is not factual.

 

[Bucksharbor]

Could white object seen through drivers side open window have been Linda Stoltzfoos white apron moments after abduction ?

Yes, I believe you are correct... I think they were insinuating that Linda was sitting in the passenger's seat... so that the white object was Linda, or rather Lind'a white apron that was covering her tan dress. JMO