PA - Mass shooting, five adults & unborn child dead, Wilkinsburg, March 2016

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I dont know why but this pick adds "creepiness. To see how close and clostrphbic the scene was. I could see people gettiing "clogged" trying to get back in , has anyone ehard how many people were at the party??

Wonder if we turned the camera around would it be "all" fenced in or open. at back onto the ally. A gate?
 
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Hi Cariis! I haven't seen a # but if the shooters came from each side then people basically ran right to the one shooter. :(
 
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Christine D'Antonio ‏@Cdantoniopgh [video=twitter;707900666526744576]https://twitter.com/Cdantoniopgh/status/707900666526744576[/video]
Backyard of Franklin Ave of where 8 ppl shot. 5 dead, 3 injured.
 
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More idiots with guns, just another "normal" day in the USA..
 
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Look at the cluster of bullets, does that make it an semi automatic or something?

Snipped and BBM.

Nearly all handguns are semi-auto, unless they're revolvers. It's unlikely it was a revolver-- brass has to be ejected manually, and there is a lot of brass there (most revolvers hold 6, 7, or 8 rounds). The location of the casings will be close to where the shots were fired, not where the people were shot (ie, where the bullets ended up). So, from where the brass is, we know approximately where the shooter/s was/ were.

The relatively tight cluster of brass (by the markers) suggests, IMO, that the shooter/s were not moving (ie, not running) while firing those particular shots. Nearly all semi-auto handguns eject the brass on the right side, and depending on the firearm and caliber, the brass travels about 4-10 feet (unless on an incline, a smooth surface, ricocheting off another object, etc). Given that these are in a gravelly/ grassy area in an alley, that's most likely where that particular shooter/s was firing from.

Most handguns have magazines that hold 8-10 rounds. A few handguns have magazines that hold more, but they're not common (and >10 rounds mags not legal in some places). More than 20 rounds fired (more than 20 brass casings found, according to reports) suggest that either the shooter re-loaded 1 or more new magazines, or had another gun loaded and ready, or there was more than one shooter. Empty magazines can't be re-filled very quickly (probably takes 15 seconds and good dexterity to go even that fast), but having pre-loaded magazines takes less than 2 seconds to eject the spent magazine and insert a new one. Reports say the shooting went on for more than one minute. A determined shooter can easily shoot 10 rounds (full magazine) in less than 10 seconds if they want to.

The size of the holes in the home siding pics, and the distance from where the rounds were fired, suggest a larger caliber, rather than a smaller caliber round, IMO. I'm estimating 50 feet or more from the alleyway (presumably at the end of the yard) to the home, from other pic views. And given the distance in the pics of the brass markers, I can see a good sized brass casings in some pics, so I'm guessing it was larger than a 9mm. My best guess is a .357, .38, or .45. Big, powerful rounds. Sure sounds like these folks were ambushed and intentionally targeted.
 
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Thanks for the technical walk-through on how this shooting went down and the type of weapons likely used - anything on the mindset of the shooters? Will there be a next time?
 
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Snipped and BBM.

Nearly all handguns are semi-auto, unless they're revolvers. It's unlikely it was a revolver-- brass has to be ejected manually, and there is a lot of brass there (most revolvers hold 6, 7, or 8 rounds). The location of the casings will be close to where the shots were fired, not where the people were shot (ie, where the bullets ended up). So, from where the brass is, we know approximately where the shooter/s was/ were.

The relatively tight cluster of brass (by the markers) suggests, IMO, that the shooter/s were not moving (ie, not running) while firing those particular shots. Nearly all semi-auto handguns eject the brass on the right side, and depending on the firearm and caliber, the brass travels about 4-10 feet (unless on an incline, a smooth surface, ricocheting off another object, etc). Given that these are in a gravelly/ grassy area in an alley, that's most likely where that particular shooter/s was firing from.

Most handguns have magazines that hold 8-10 rounds. A few handguns have magazines that hold more, but they're not common (and >10 rounds mags not legal in some places). More than 20 rounds fired (more than 20 brass casings found, according to reports) suggest that either the shooter re-loaded 1 or more new magazines, or had another gun loaded and ready, or there was more than one shooter. Empty magazines can't be re-filled very quickly (probably takes 15 seconds and good dexterity to go even that fast), but having pre-loaded magazines takes less than 2 seconds to eject the spent magazine and insert a new one. Reports say the shooting went on for more than one minute. A determined shooter can easily shoot 10 rounds (full magazine) in less than 10 seconds if they want to.

The size of the holes in the home siding pics, and the distance from where the rounds were fired, suggest a larger caliber, rather than a smaller caliber round, IMO. I'm estimating 50 feet or more from the alleyway (presumably at the end of the yard) to the home, from other pic views. And given the distance in the pics of the brass markers, I can see a good sized brass casings in some pics, so I'm guessing it was larger than a 9mm. My best guess is a .357, .38, or .45. Big, powerful rounds. Sure sounds like these folks were ambushed and intentionally targeted.

Fascinating post thanx!!
 
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Thanks for the technical walk-through on how this shooting went down and the type of weapons likely used - anything on the mindset of the shooters? Will there be a next time?

Of course there will be a next time, just a matter of where.
 
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Found one! The other side of the yard. More chilling. It seems as if all they had to dowas walk by and lift up there arm and start shooting. I was visulaizng like a fence and a gate where they would have to open it to get in .

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http://www.wtae.com/news/sources-multiple-people-shot-in-wilkinsburg/38434402

Now the visual is coming togehter, with these two pics we can "see " what happened. This fence above is in the this picture below:
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Pretty cold, cowardly thing now that I see the distances etc. At first I was thinking must be a pretty good shot, but with these two pics the sleezebags practicaly walked upon these poor people and just murdered em face to face. Pretty sick IMO.

I am now wondering if becasue of the "number" killed or hit - traslates to that was everyone there in th e, translating to a eyewitness (description of murderers) will be dependant on survival of those in hospital.

Def "looks' ambushy IMO, while at the same time feels as if someone from a hospital bed might be able to tell LE who they were.

By that I mean IMO shooters and victims knew each other at some level about something , if that makes sense.
 
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I'm trying to figure out an 11pm, Wednesday night backyard BBQ.
My first thought was to look for beer bottles. I see a few cans and cups but not a lot.
 
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The backyard is about 30 feet by 50 feet. Police said they found one pile of shell casings just outside the yard in an alley. They found more shells along a fence that separates the house from a neighbor's yard, which means a second gunman was less than 10 feet away from the porch where victims ran for cover.

Bullet holes were visible Thursday around the porch addition. Tables and chairs, some tipped over, remained in the backyard, signs of a party quickly abandoned.

The suspects fled on foot.

Wilkinsburg is a poorer, largely blighted suburb just east of Pittsburgh that is known for drug trafficking and gun violence. But neighbors described the street on which the shooting occurred as generally quiet.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/search-suspects-pa-shooting-left-dead-37541080

BBM. Ten feet is awfully close to the victims.

I counted at least 17-18 brass casing markers in several pics of the alley location. There are no pics of the brass at the second location that I've found.
 
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Just so everyone knows, found out the hard way! Edits on this thread can only be done in the first 15 minutes after submit!



I added some stuff and then could not edit so reposting now, but have no way to delete the previoos one !

Found one! The other side of the yard. More chilling. It seems as if all they had to dowas walk by and lift up there arm and start shooting. I was visulaizng like a fence and a gate where they would have to open it to get in .

wilkinsburg-shooting-backyard.jpg


http://www.wtae.com/news/sources-multiple-people-shot-in-wilkinsburg/38434402

Now the visual is coming togehter, with these two pics we can "see " what happened. This fence above is in the this picture below:
CdKWFcfXEAE_7Qf.jpg



Pretty cold, cowardly thing now that I see the distances etc. At first I was thinking must be a pretty good shot, but with these two pics the sleezebags practicaly walked upon these poor people and just murdered em face to face. Pretty sick IMO.

I am now wondering if becasue of the "number" killed or hit - traslates to that was everyone there in th e, backyard -- translating to a eyewitness (description of murderers) will be dependant on survival of those in hospital.

As it was breaking last night I got the sense that it was a "party" resulting in a notion that some that were there were not hit. Now seems like it was a group of 8 in the backyard. I suppose word "party" and "BBQ" had a difference for me last night. Party maybe drug deal gone wrong?

But now....
 
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I'm trying to figure out an 11pm, Wednesday night backyard BBQ.
My first thought was to look for beer bottles. I see a few cans and cups but not a lot.

Iagree the more visualizations i am seeing it seems like it might have been just a family cooking up some good food and getting murdered . Repulsive
 
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I agree with the above poster, when I have been to the firing range the brass always ejects up and to the right of the shooter, so I would suspect the shooters were to the left of the casings. I also would estimate a semi automatic. I myself prefer a pistol, its just easier for me and I have no reason to need to reload quickly. If someone breaks into my home its only gonna take one shot. I wish they would come out with some more info on this...Is this personal or just random gang violence.? Scary
 
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I agree with the above poster, when I have been to the firing range the brass always ejects up and to the right of the shooter, so I would suspect the shooters were to the left of the casings. I also would estimate a semi automatic. I myself prefer a pistol, its just easier for me and I have no reason to need to reload quickly. If someone breaks into my home its only gonna take one shot. I wish they would come out with some more info on this...Is this personal or just random gang violence.? Scary

Cant really explain why but with the last several pictures it has moved me from gang to very personnal.

In this day and age, after seeing the "scene" random would almost be risky. Everyone is walking around with murder machines, if any of those folks at the BBQ were armed , from seeing the scene they could just as well be shot at from the vistims.

SO it makes me think IMO that whoever did this knew them and new they would not be armed. For other guy to just stroll up close, again seems like they were not concerned about being shot back at.
just moo
 
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Wilkinsburg is a medium-sized borough located in the state of Pennsylvania. With a population of 15,813 people and eight constituent neighborhoods, Wilkinsburg is the 60th largest community in Pennsylvania.
Wilkinsburg is a decidedly white-collar borough, with fully 91.14% of the workforce employed in white-collar jobs, well above the national average. Overall, Wilkinsburg is a borough of service providers, sales and office workers and professionals. There are especially a lot of people living in Wilkinsburg who work in office and administrative support (16.57%), sales jobs (8.82%) and management occupations (7.33%).
Also of interest is that Wilkinsburg has more people living here who work in computers and math than 95% of the places in the US.

The percentage of people in Wilkinsburg who are college-educated is somewhat higher than the average US community of 21.84%: 28.68% of adults in Wilkinsburg have at least a bachelor's degree.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/pa/wilkinsburg/
 

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