PA PA - Monroe Twp, 'Penny Doe', WhtFem 20-40, 246UFPA, near RR trestle, Rt leg broken, Jul'90

[Truant]

Heard back from the Etsy seller and she said she doesn't know specifically about this clothing brand but she has seen similar that were sold in New York and Vegas. I'm definitely thinking Penny was from out of town.

p.s I know this is an older case and this is my first time on Websleuths so if I post something that was already discussed I apologize.

Really learning so much from everyone on here!

 

[Wrknthsystm]

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Is it my imagination or does Darci have one short stubby tooth?

This darci who is missing is 5 7 though. Much taller than their guess of 5 1- 5 2....

 

[Wrknthsystm]

Barbara Ann Bruno
I found this on charley project. it would make her older than 22. but here are the details:

• Missing Since08/01/1980
• Missing FromRochester, New York
• ClassificationMissing
• Age18 years old
• Height and Weight5'1 - 5'3, 120 - 145 pounds
• Distinguishing CharacteristicsCaucasian female. Brown hair, hazel eyes.

Details of Disappearance

Bruno was last seen by her family in Rochester, New York on August 1, 1980. She has never been heard from again. She may have traveled to New York City and/or California after her disappearance. Few details are available in her case.

Her age would coincide with the clothes she wore, why they came from NYish area, why she was by railroad tracks maybe? : she was trying to travel by rail? her age can possibly be affected by her height?

Was there a penny is all 4 pockets? or just the 2 front pockets?? that could indicate purpose or coincidence.

Could be far reaching with the age and time frame, but boy does she look similar with nasal structure, lips, her eyes are a little farther apart than the models.

 

[booghawk]

Barbara Ann Bruno
I found this on charley project. it would make her older than 22. but here are the details:

• Missing Since08/01/1980
• Missing FromRochester, New York
• ClassificationMissing
• Age18 years old
• Height and Weight5'1 - 5'3, 120 - 145 pounds
• Distinguishing CharacteristicsCaucasian female. Brown hair, hazel eyes.

Details of Disappearance

Bruno was last seen by her family in Rochester, New York on August 1, 1980. She has never been heard from again. She may have traveled to New York City and/or California after her disappearance. Few details are available in her case.

Her age would coincide with the clothes she wore, why they came from NYish area, why she was by railroad tracks maybe? : she was trying to travel by rail? her age can possibly be affected by her height?

Was there a penny is all 4 pockets? or just the 2 front pockets?? that could indicate purpose or coincidence.

Could be far reaching with the age and time frame, but boy does she look similar with nasal structure, lips, her eyes are a little farther apart than the models.

It would seem she would be a DNA rule out.

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[whammo77]

Hey all. Been a long time since I posted anything in here. But I do come in and read from time to time when I get an email notification that there's been an update.

Anyway, my reason for popping in here today is just to ask a dumb question... Has anyone ever taken any of the DNA from the bodies that have been found and submitted it to Ancestry? I always see where they ran them through the federal database but I've never seen anybody say anything about Ancestry. As huge as that database is I would think it would be a good chance you could at least hit a family match even if it is a very very distant cousin or something. At least that would give somewhere to start from.. Not to mention, by running their DNA through ancestry you'd know exactly what ethnicity they are. Kind of like with Penny Doe... Some people seem to think she's csucasion, some people think seem to think she is Hispanic, etc. If the DNA was ran through Ancestry, it would tell you exactly what her lineage is.

And this may be something people in here have already discussed before, so if it is, my apologies. I've never seen anybody mention it but then again I do not go through all the threads.

Oh, and yes I'm doubting the authorities would run the DNA through Ancestry, and I'm sure it would be pretty tough for a regular Joe such as myself to get my hands on the DNA to try to submit it. But still, it's a thought...

Have a great day.

 

[carbuff]

The short answer is that the DNA results used by the CODIS database for identification are not the same as the proprietary DNA generated by the commercial sites, and can't be compared directly. Also, there are legal and practical issues.

Here's an interesting article about the genealogical matching: https://www.theatlantic.com/science...g-wave-of-murders-solved-by-genealogy/560750/

 

[folieadeuxnola]

NamUs: Skeletal remains, Barbara Miller case might be linked

Skeletal remains found in Clarion County in 1990 may be linked to the disappearance of Barbara Miller, according to officials at a national missing persons database.

Amy Dobbs, regional director of National Missing and Unidentified Persons System, or NamUs, said she saw coverage of the Barbara Miller cold case, entered Miller's information into the NamUs system and it came back with a four out of five star match to a potential missing person.

"It does not mean it is Barbara Miller," Dobbs said while co-hosting a NamUs event in Wilkes-Barre on Thursday. "It means that when I entered the limited information we had a potential match."

Dobbs said Barbara Miller's DNA was submitted for testing and the results are pending. Dobbs and Sunbury Police Chief Tim Miller would not say when DNA results are expected

On July 22, 1990, two children in a remote area of Monroe Township, about three miles south of Interstate 80 near Reidsburg, discovered the remains, according to authorities. An autopsy showed that "Penny Doe" had suffered blunt force trauma to the right side of her skull and her right leg was broken, according to police.

 

[Talisman]

NamUs: Skeletal remains, Barbara Miller case might be linked

Skeletal remains found in Clarion County in 1990 may be linked to the disappearance of Barbara Miller, according to officials at a national missing persons database.

Amy Dobbs, regional director of National Missing and Unidentified Persons System, or NamUs, said she saw coverage of the Barbara Miller cold case, entered Miller's information into the NamUs system and it came back with a four out of five star match to a potential missing person.

"It does not mean it is Barbara Miller," Dobbs said while co-hosting a NamUs event in Wilkes-Barre on Thursday. "It means that when I entered the limited information we had a potential match."

Dobbs said Barbara Miller's DNA was submitted for testing and the results are pending. Dobbs and Sunbury Police Chief Tim Miller would not say when DNA results are expected

On July 22, 1990, two children in a remote area of Monroe Township, about three miles south of Interstate 80 near Reidsburg, discovered the remains, according to authorities. An autopsy showed that "Penny Doe" had suffered blunt force trauma to the right side of her skull and her right leg was broken, according to police.

Bumping this up for Penny Doe.

Has there been any news about Barbara Miller matching or being ruled out?

Thank you to everyone involved in trying to help identify Penny ♡ ...
and for keeping her thread active. (I would go years without internet - so thankful others kept her torch burning A heartfelt THANK YOU)

She so deserves the dignity that was stolen from her in death - discarded like trash - no identity...
I hope it's a match♡

 

[carbuff]

Updated Namus link: Unidentified Person Case

 

[dotr]

Updated Namus link: Unidentified Person Case

Thanks! Refresher..

Estimated Age GroupAdult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range20-40 Years
Estimated Year of Death1990
Estimated PMIMonths
Height 4' 10"(58 inches) , Estimated

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Can anyone post the list of rule outs too, please?

 

[folieadeuxnola]

MP19994
Dona Bayerl
05/06/1979
WaukeshaWI

MP8299
Patricia Meehan
03/20/1989
McCone MT

MP6926
Anne Manchester
06/29/1980
New Castle DE

MP7919
Tamara Porrin
11/22/1986
Clearfield PA

MP6567
Michelle Richardson
05/01/1989
Anderson TX

MP2499
Barbara Shumac
12/16/1982
Erie PA

MP2911
Dawn Mozino
05/22/1989
Delaware PA

MP2484
Tracy Kroh
08/05/1989
Dauphin PA

MP4021
Beverly Potts
08/24/1951
Cuyahoga OH

MP7034
Beverly Sharpman
09/11/1947
Philadelphia PA

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

MP19994
Dona Bayerl
05/06/1979
WaukeshaWI

MP8299
Patricia Meehan
03/20/1989
McCone MT

MP6926
Anne Manchester
06/29/1980
New Castle DE

MP7919
Tamara Porrin
11/22/1986
Clearfield PA

MP6567
Michelle Richardson
05/01/1989
Anderson TX

MP2499
Barbara Shumac
12/16/1982
Erie PA

MP2911
Dawn Mozino
05/22/1989
Delaware PA

MP2484
Tracy Kroh
08/05/1989
Dauphin PA

MP4021
Beverly Potts
08/24/1951
Cuyahoga OH

MP7034
Beverly Sharpman
09/11/1947
Philadelphia PA

Thank you!

 

[krvrobel]

I only stumbled upon this forum because I live in Punxsutawney (yes, the Groundhog) and most of my family lives in Clarion County. On top of that, I am an ad rep for our newspaper where I get the chance to write for my direct mailer that is mailed to 5,000 homes. I was looking for something new to write about when I discovered this case (and NamUs, which I think everyone should know about) and I thought it would be interesting to cover this and bring it back into people's minds.

I emailed the Regional Director of NamUs who thought DNA testing should be done to against Barbra Miller which apparently broke this past summer. Of course, the results may not be in. But I also know the area and there's a chance that maybe a negative result got surpassed in reporting. I also know DNA testing takes time. I will absolutely post if I get any news.

If anyone has any discovery or information, I would love to hear it and would really appreciate more than I've been able to find. I know it's a smaller.

 

[krvrobel]

If anyone is paying attention, I just talked to NamUs.
I think Barbra Miller is out of the equation as she has had fillings.
He is going to check to see where the remains are, and if we can learn anything new.....as well as the letter the police won't release as it could help the public solve this.
I feel very confident that things could be less hush-hush in order to find this person.
Any additional information for anyone that stumbles upon this would be amazing. Remember, the little guy guy can always be the hero. Penny Doe needs a name and an end to this mystery. And us--the little guys--have the power to do so.

 

[dotr]

If anyone is paying attention, I just talked to NamUs.
I think Barbra Miller is out of the equation as she has had fillings.
He is going to check to see where the remains are, and if we can learn anything new.....as well as the letter the police won't release as it could help the public solve this.
I feel very confident that things could be less hush-hush in order to find this person.
Any additional information for anyone that stumbles upon this would be amazing. Remember, the little guy guy can always be the hero. Penny Doe needs a name and an end to this mystery. And us--the little guys--have the power to do so.

Welcome to Ws krvrobel, great to have a local person on the case!

 

[krvrobel]

Welcome to Ws krvrobel, great to have a local person on the case!

Thank you, dotr....I'm lucky to have come across this post and all the great help that tried to solve this!
After telling my dad about this case since he grew up fairly close, he asked which trestle and once I sent pictures of it previously posted he realized he used to have a hunting camp near there.

The person I talked to last night happens to be Todd Matthews who created the doenetwork, and I feel really confident he is going to do what he can to get us more information---eapecially why we can't learn after all this time what was in that letter. I think there is info in it that could help the public and make a difference.
He also would like to find out where her remains are for additional info. Really a great guy. I'm hoping that I can get us some more clues and get answers. And there was so much I could touch on becaus of the awesome input of this forum even if hasn't been active.

 

[CCJD]

I think Barbra Miller is out of the equation as she has had fillings.

RSBM

And Penny Doe has that "baby tooth" behind tooth #10. You'd think that would make for a fairly easy dental comparison.

 

[krvrobel]

RSBM

And Penny Doe has that "baby tooth" behind tooth #10. You'd think that would make for a fairly easy dental comparison.

Exactly. I hadn't looked up Barbra Miller's case until after all this, but you would think that would be a huge red flag. Her teeth are quite unique.
I'm curious to see if Todd can locate the remains to see if there's even more uniqueness that can narrow it down even further.

 

[krvrobel]

I wonder if anyone knows who were the children that found her? I would love to hear from them. I thought I read somewhere in here someone knew them.