PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #11

[J. J. in Phila]

Trackergd's information proves, once and for all and without doubt, that Gricar's assets are accounted for...just as was asserted by LE in 2005. JMOO

Trackergd doesn't think so. I have to agree with him.

Respectfully snipped.

Still a large amount of income not accounted for. Even if it was into a single payment life policy, there would still be a sizable bank account balance unless the policy was purchased just before RG went missing. If that were the case, LE should have realized it was a key indicator.

He also said:

Still wonder why LG considered such a small amount of money or assets to be considered private information. Red flag to me. Something else was on that return.

What public official in a position that makes him/her a target for revenge does not have a will to care for their own final arrangements and to prevent dispute over assets and money. Something odd about that...

RFG grossed about $400 K over four years, and ended up with less than $25 k. I would call that unexplained.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

There is no indication that Buehner's 2010 pen pal was ever connected with either Bock's or Sinderson's more recent informants.

[modsnip]. All sources (and there could be three) have given different details. Did BB source just decide to reach out to WJAC? Did Bock's source?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The claim has been made that LE said, in 2005, that all assets were accounted for. Is there a link to back up that claim? I have not heard it; there have been a number statements to the contrary.

 

[SuperSmith]

Trackergd doesn't think so. I have to agree with him.

Respectfully snipped.



He also said:



RFG grossed about $400 K over four years, and ended up with less than $25 k. I would call that unexplained.

I'm sure LE is privy to the knowledge of expenses that we quite frankly are not.

I wonder if RG helped out Sloane and his family while Sloane was laid up with a broken back.

 

[Saunterer]

The claim has been made that LE said, in 2005, that all assets were accounted for. Is there a link to back up that claim? I have not heard it; there have been a number statements to the contrary.

[modsnip] Thanks Trackergd! You confirmed that Gricar's assets (2005 and beyond) are not at issue. Well done!!

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I'm sure LE is privy to the knowledge of expenses that we quite frankly are not.

I wonder if RG helped out Sloane and his family while Sloane was laid up with a broken back.

I'm sure they are, or soon will be. However we have statements from both the person heading the investigation and the family spokesman that indicate questions about RFG's finances.

Here is what we have:

RFG was making in excess of $110,000 gross from his 2001 divorce until he disappeared. Pennsylvania Manual from that period.

RFG took out about $16,000 in cash from ATM's over a 2.5 year period (average $125 week). [Rickard later indicated it was $10 K over a shorter period of time.]

http://www.post-gazette.com/frontpa...n-photos-of-DA-his-look-alike-from-Texas.html

RFG had just over $100,000 in a joint account with LG (half of which would not be counted in the estate).

http://www.centredaily.com/2006/05/13/3802/missed-leads.html

"You know, we have one person working on the financial part of it to try to create a picture of what went on financially." SPM, Disappeared, 2/28/11 [statement recorded in October or Norvember 2010]

"He was making a fair amount of money; but, at least from a forensic accounting standpoint, the thought is there that there should have been more cash." TG, 1/25/11

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/25/case-of-missing-pa-district-attorney-ray-gricar-baffles-police/

Estate showed a balance of less than $2,000.

Those are at least sourced, and not opinion.

Now, there could be reasonable and legitimate explanations, but we don't have them. LE has given indications that, at least at the start of 2011, they have questions.

As for Sloane, it is possible, but he was employed even while having a limited work schedule and I think his wife worked.

 

[Saunterer]

You assume a fact not in evidence, that there are three sources. All sources (and there could be three) have given different details. Did BB source just decide to reach out to WJAC? Did Bock's source?

The fact that there are now three different sources is obvious to whomever took the time to actually study this aspect. The different details are interesting. I tend to disbelieve Sinderson's informant.

 

[Saunterer]

There was no funeral...and therefore no funeral expenses. Gricar's daughter would not charge a penny for administering her father's estate. Can anyone else imagine why Gricar's attorney would charge 15K to assist in the disposition of a 1K estate?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I would not agree that there are three sources, though there could be. All of them, however, would be secondary sources, someone who talked to the alleged killer, A. K. We have at least two different stories.

Bock's now discredited source, who claimed that the motive was a harsh sentence. The sentence was not as harsh as one Sloane requested.

During a post-sentencing hearing in which then-Assistant District Attorney Steve Sloane sought a longer sentence, a letter from a former FBI agent that was read aloud to the court confirmed the Hells Angel member had worked as an informant for the FBI after he was released from federal prison in the early 1990s.

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/575024.html

BB source (who might not have given a motive) that placed the body in a nonexistent town. http://wkok.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/OTM10-16-13.mp3 It would seem to be a nonexistent dirt covered mineshaft as well.

The ABC23 source that stated, "that Gricar ran a corrupt District Attorney's office and was in debt to the Hells Angels for a large sum of money." This was contemporaneous with Bock's story. http://www.abc23.com/News/NewsDetails.asp?NewsID=12298

The ABC 23 source may be either Bock's source (possible from the timing) or BB source, or a third source. It is very clear that none of these sources is A. K.

 

[Saunterer]

[modsnip] I believe all of Gricar's assets are accounted for. I believe there is zero evidence supporting any hidden money. And that is what LE has been saying all along.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

There was no funeral...and therefore no funeral expenses. Gricar's daughter would not charge a penny for administering her father's estate. Can anyone else imagine why Gricar's attorney would charge 15K to assist in the disposition of a 1K estate?

Those expenses were paid out of the estate funds, so at the start, there was at least $16-$18 K. LG may have taken have taken travel reimbursement, which would be legitimate. Likewise, she might have taken an administrative fee (which I'd expect to be minor). There might have been additional fees, upfront money, for establishing the trusteeship and LG reimbursed herself for that cost.

Also, keep in mind that of the $100 K+ at the start, half of it was LG's legally, even if she didn't put so much as one cent in his accounts.

There could also be some expenses, e.g. paying premiums on life insurance.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

[modsnip]. I believe all of Gricar's assets are accounted for. I believe there is zero evidence supporting any hidden money. And that is what LE has been saying all along.

I know of no statement from LE that the assets were explainable. I know of statements from LE that they were looking at them. I know of the statement raised by the family spokesman.

 

[Saunterer]

Three different inmate sources, accounting for at least two different cellmate sources, over a three year period...each giving a different account, but all agreeing that Gricar was whacked. Could be something. Could be nothing. Only time will tell. And, Lord knows, a lot of water has passed over the fabridam that DZ said would just chew a body up...LOL if he was being serious!

 

[Saunterer]

Those expenses were paid out of the estate funds, so at the start, there was at least $16-$18 K. LG may have taken have taken travel reimbursement, which would be legitimate. Likewise, she might have taken an administrative fee (which I'd expect to be minor). There might have been additional fees, upfront money, for establishing the trusteeship and LG reimbursed herself for that cost.

Also, keep in mind that of the $100 K+ at the start, half of it was LG's legally, even if she didn't put so much as one cent in his accounts.

There could also be some expenses, e.g. paying premiums on life insurance.

Hmmmm. Duly noted.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Three different inmate sources, accounting for at least two different cellmate sources, over a three year period...each giving a different account, but all agreeing that Gricar was whacked. Could be something. Could be nothing. Only time will tell. And, Lord knows, a lot of water has passed over the fabridam that DZ said would just chew a body up...LOL if he was being serious!

We know of two different sources, but the ABC 23 source might be one of them; the timing indicates that it could be the same source.

LE has said it is nothing, and TG dismissed it.

 

[Salem]

Why is LG entitled to 1/2 of RG's estate?

Salem

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Why is LG entitled to 1/2 of RG's estate?

Salem

RFG's known accounts had LG's name on them. It was reported that there was around $100 K in them. Even if LG didn't put a cent into it, she can legally claim half of it for estate purposes.

RFG puts $100 K into an account with LG's name on it. When it come time to determine ownership in probate, RFG's share is $50 K, and that is what gets taxed. It is legal to the point where your attorney will try to convince you to claim only half of that for inheritance tax purposes even if you say that none of it is yours.

 

[Saunterer]

Why is LG entitled to 1/2 of RG's estate?

Salem

Why is LG not entitled to all of RG's estate?

 

[Salem]

Thank you, JJ. They were joint accounts, I take it. That makes perfect sense to me.

Salem

 

[Saunterer]

RFG's known accounts had LG's name on them. It was reported that there was around $100 K in them. Even if LG didn't put a cent into it, she can legally claim half of it for estate purposes.

RFG puts $100 K into an account with LG's name on it. When it come time to determine ownership in probate, RFG's share is $50 K, and that is what gets taxed. It is legal to the point where your attorney will try to convince you to claim only half of that for inheritance tax purposes even if you say that none of it is yours.

Where is that 50K or so in the documents Trackergd obtained?