PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #15

[J. J. in Phila]

I could not see the video well so i did some searching and found this -apologies if repeat but i found it interesting.
[video=cnn;crime/2011/11/18/sot-ray-gricar-disappearance.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/us/ray-gricar-missing-prosecutor/index.html[/video]

Yes, this the story I referred to. Thank you.

It is hard to believe that the BPD very had a forensic audit.

 

[Sharyne]

Yes, it is an interesting new dynamic. This string of RG threads has been going on for quite a while, yet new tidbits come out from time to time. If we are patient and string them together along with a bit of good old shoe leather poking about, we might just solve this one.

I've been watching Investigation Discovery shows, and there have been several cold cases solved as much as 20 years old and older. This is one I've followed on several different forums since he disappeared, it would be wonderful to find out what really happened.

 

[Trackergd]

I've been watching Investigation Discovery shows, and there have been several cold cases solved as much as 20 years old and older. This is one I've followed on several different forums since he disappeared, it would be wonderful to find out what really happened.

Indeed.

 

[Trackergd]

It is hard to believe that the BPD very had a forensic audit.

That depends on your view of what constitutes a "Forensic Audit" and how deep it went. I suspect we (you and I personally) have almost as much as they do. We are just unable to piece it together in a way that gives us a clear trail to follow, but it does raise some interesting questions that there are no publicly released answers to.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

That depends on your view of what constitutes a "Forensic Audit" and how deep it went. I suspect we (you and I personally) have almost as much as they do. We are just unable to piece it together in a way that gives us a clear trail to follow, but it does raise some interesting questions that there are no publicly released answers to.

BBM

I think you are right, and that is scary. We are looking at public documents. The police have access to a lot more.

We can narrow the possible explanations down, however.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I think the pond is being searched, but in regard to Barbara Miller disappearance.

http://wnep.com/2017/08/10/crews-find-evidence-in-susquehanna-river-in-barbara-miller-cold-case/

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The police are searching the pond and wetland area across from Lewisburg.

A 55 gallon drum was removed and I've seen some reports that the coroner was called.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/08/just_following_leads_chief_say.html#incart_river_home

 

[Daisy1980]

anyone know if Ray walked with a slight limp?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

anyone know if Ray walked with a slight limp?

Not that I've heard of, and I think it would have been noted in the description.

 

[SeekingJana]

Forgive me for not knowing ( I've been away from things due to serious illness).. but isn't Sunbury about 10 miles from the Lewisville Susquehanna bridge?
Is there any good reason to think this finding of what seems to be some sort of decomposed remains in a steel drum might be related to Mr. Gricar's disappearance?

BTW, not sure if this is still true, but the article said that " material from the drum" hac been sent to a specialist in TN. This makes me think the specialist might be associated with " The Body Farm" which specializes in human decomposition in different conditions.

Also, for those who don't know about Dr. Lee, also working on the case in the news link, Dr. Henry Lee is a renowned forensic pathologist. He is probably best known on Websleuths ( or at least for the longest period of time) for his dramatic conclusions regarding the JonBenet Ramsey murder.

 

[Daisy1980]

Thank you. Do you happen to have the link for the courthouse survellience pics/video? the red jeep one? I know I've seen it, but not sure if it was on here.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Thank you. Do you happen to have the link for the courthouse survellience pics/video? the red jeep one? I know I've seen it, but not sure if it was on here.

It is no longer online.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Forgive me for not knowing ( I've been away from things due to serious illness).. but isn't Sunbury about 10 miles from the Lewisville Susquehanna bridge?
Is there any good reason to think this finding of what seems to be some sort of decomposed remains in a steel drum might be related to Mr. Gricar's disappearance?

BTW, not sure if this is still true, but the article said that " material from the drum" hac been sent to a specialist in TN. This makes me think the specialist might be associated with " The Body Farm" which specializes in human decomposition in different conditions.

Also, for those who don't know about Dr. Lee, also working on the case in the news link, Dr. Henry Lee is a renowned forensic pathologist. He is probably best known on Websleuths ( or at least for the longest period of time) for his dramatic conclusions regarding the JonBenet Ramsey murder.

First, good to see you are back!

Second, the pond that were looking at is about 4700 feet from where the Mini was found.

The police are looking at the case of Barbara Miller, who disappeared in 1989. There may be a body there, but it might not be RFG.

 

[Sharyne]

Thank you. Do you happen to have the link for the courthouse survellience pics/video? the red jeep one? I know I've seen it, but not sure if it was on here.

Here is a link to pictures of the courthouse and a red jeep, is this the one you are thinking of?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.co...rance-of-ray-gricar/?page=158#comment-5588703

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Here is a link to pictures of the courthouse and a red jeep, is this the one you are thinking of?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.co...rance-of-ray-gricar/?page=158#comment-5588703

It is hard to tell from that video, but I don't notice a limp.

 

[Daisy1980]

Here is a link to pictures of the courthouse and a red jeep, is this the one you are thinking of?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.co...rance-of-ray-gricar/?page=158#comment-5588703

yes, that's what I was thinking of, thank you!

 

[Daisy1980]

It is hard to tell from that video, but I don't notice a limp.

I agree.

I wonder what else is out there that recorded any movement or mannerisms. Press conferences from DA's office, etc?

 

[SeekingJana]

Does anyone know why the question is being asked about a possible limp?

I have seen NO indication of a limp in the courthouse video or any mention of same elsewhere.
I am trained to look for those types of things and he didn't limp in the courthouse steps and walkway video.

I feel like there's some hidden thing behind the question and that doesn't seem quite fair to the rest of the case posters.. I'm now wondering if someone thinks he was hurt in the last known video, as in " Someone hurt him intentionally" or if someone thinks he had some health problem causing a limp.
Could the people asking this please give some of their thoughts so maybe we can all be on the same page?
Note- I am not asking anything I would not explain to all of you.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I agree.

I wonder what else is out there that recorded any movement or mannerisms. Press conferences from DA's office, etc?

I have seen a video of him walking, other than surveillance and I didn't see anything. I have a bad limp, and I think I'd notice.

There are some videos of him; most don't have his voice.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

A bit off the subject, but Stacey Parks Miller is facing a disciplinary hearing in November.

http://www.centredaily.com/news/article168075287.html