PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #4

[Hbgchick]

HOLY CRAP. You don't think that, with RG being a prosecutor and all, that he has been planning this for years and Lara AND PF and who knows who else are involved as a little trick on LE, do you? As in, let's see if we can fool our own people?

 

[christine2448]

HOLY CRAP. You don't think that, with RG being a prosecutor and all, that he has been planning this for years and Lara AND PF and who knows who else are involved as a little trick on LE, do you? As in, let's see if we can fool our own people?

Naaaahhhh.

 

[Hbgchick]

HOLY CRAP. You don't think that, with RG being a prosecutor and all, that he has been planning this for years and Lara AND PF and who knows who else are involved as a little trick on LE, do you? As in, let's see if we can fool our own people?

Sorry guys. My lame attempt at humor. My brain has been working overtime with every possible scenario, just thought I'd throw that in the mix. Bad taste, I apologize.

 

[luthersmama]

Having his accounts made joint with Lara makes some sense from the estate planning standpoint. This way, all the money goes directly to Lara without passing through Ray's estate.

Very strange about the amounts. I have to say that it really sounds to me like he has been moving money to an off-shore account all along. He lived in Patty's house, drove Patty's car, and Lara is joint owner of all the known money. Very tidy.

I suspect an alternate identity and that he has taken a powder. He was interested in New England, antiques, old cars. I would check the coast of Maine first, but I would not be at all surprised if he is on a Caribbean island. Maybe Abaco.

 

[christine2448]

Sorry guys. My lame attempt at humor. My brain has been working overtime with every possible scenario, just thought I'd throw that in the mix. Bad taste, I apologize.

I don't think it was bad taste, or apology needed, IMO...I think that any and every single solitary thought should be brought up....anything.....someone in the Anna Water thread cracked me up, said he couldn't believe that he read alllllll that is being posted on there and that noone said UFO or aliens!

My nahhhh, was a funny nahhhhhh...hehe. Like, get outta here, no way...but you never know kinda nahhhhhh. I'm from Jersey, if you could here me say it!

 

[christine2448]

Here's my take on it.....let's find him if he did just take off and make him face all these people that have been so concerned, scared, hurt, spending $$, resources and time trying to figure out what happened! Do we start in or out of the US? :waitasec:

OK...so...let's get his picture on news stations in the Caribean, who wants that task? LOL....I'll take Maine.....who else?

The way to find him is for someone to recognize him...who thinks he is further then US...anyone else? Where do you think he went? Uht oh...feel another thread coming on. The search for Ray....the walkaway?

EDIT TO ADD THE SEARCH FOR RAY WALKAWAY

 

[Hbgchick]

I don't think it was bad taste, or apology needed, IMO...I think that any and every single solitary thought should be brought up....anything.....someone in the Anna Water thread cracked me up, said he couldn't believe that he read alllllll that is being posted on there and that noone said UFO or aliens!

My nahhhh, was a funny nahhhhhh...hehe. Like, get outta here, no way...but you never know kinda nahhhhhh. I'm from Jersey, if you could here me say it!

Lol...didn't realize you were from Jersey christine. NOW I know how you say it! :blowkiss: I guess you're right though, ANY theory should be brought up.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

It took me a while to realize that this thread was here. I was wondering why it's been so quiet - didn't realize the old thread was locked! :doh:

Anyway, it's very odd to me that Ray and Lara shared accounts. Wasn't it said that he and Lara had just mended their relationship shortly before he went missing? So how is it possible that they were sharing an account(s?) for years? And honestly, as much as I love my kids, I would not share an account with them that held every single cent of mine. I wouldn't trust anyone, even my kids, not to drain my account. I firmly believe that this could have been done by Ray intentionally so that LE thinks that this is his only account, and that it can be verified by his daughter.

Secondly, I think that it's ridiculous that Lara is responsible for reporting any activity on the account to LE. Until Ray is found, they can't be sure that Lara isn't involved.

About the flowers, I don't have any of the old links or anything but from what I remember, LE said that the flowers were discovered to be unrelated to Ray's case.

There was a fourth thing but I can't remember what it was. I'll be back to edit as soon as I remember. lol.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Copied from an old post by Christine:

What about the daffodils placed near a bridge in Lewisburg?

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Q: An article published soon after Gricar’s car was found in Lewisburg April 16 said daffodils appeared to have been placed near a bridge just beyond the parking lot.

One reader asked if the CDT had any other information about the flowers.

A: Neither police nor Gricar’s family think the daffodils found near the bridge had anything to do with Gricar or his disappearance.

Bellefonte police officer Darrel Zaccagni said the flowers appeared to have been there for several days and there were even older flowers on the ground nearby.

Gricar’s nephew, Tony Gricar, also visited the site near where Gricar’s car was found and said the area where the flowers were found “looks as if it’s someone else’s shrine where they dump the old flowers off the bridge and replace them with new.”

Zaccagni said different flowers were placed near the Street of Shops in Lewisburg about a week after Gricar disappeared. At least two people said they saw Gricar at the antique mall on April 16.

Zaccagni said those flowers were traced to a victim in a case Gricar had prosecuted.

“She said she put them there to remember him,” Zaccagni said.

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[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I've been looking through some old articles and the one thing that keeps jumping out at me is that there really wasn't much that tied Ray to his life and home as we know of it. His child is a grown woman, he was due to retire, and he didn't seem to have many close relationships outside of Patty:

"In Bellefonte, courthouse workers and several neighbors of Gricar described the prosecutor as friendly, though he did not socialize much outside of work.

"I don't think anybody knows Ray well around here," said Ted Ranio, 69, a retired police officer and factory worker who has lived in Gricar's neighborhood since 1964."

Family of missing prosecutor keeps vigil as police look for clues (phillyBurbs.com) | Pennsylvania News

 

[Hbgchick]

Anyway, it's very odd to me that Ray and Lara shared accounts. Wasn't it said that he and Lara had just mended their relationship shortly before he went missing? So how is it possible that they were sharing an account(s?) for years? And honestly, as much as I love my kids, I would not share an account with them that held every single cent of mine. I wouldn't trust anyone, even my kids, not to drain my account. I firmly believe that this could have been done by Ray intentionally so that LE thinks that this is his only account, and that it can be verified by his daughter.

FWIW, my father-in-law has his daughter (my hubby's sister) on his checking account, at least her name is on the checks along with his. I still think it's weird mind you, but at least know of someone else who has done that. I'm assuming it has something to do with taxes or what have you. BUT, I'm also reasonably sure that it's not the ONLY account my father-in-law has. He is, like Ray, very frugal (might go so far as "cheap") and makes a good deal of money, so I could venture to guess he's got quite a bit in the bank.

I too believe that Ray had at least one other account somewhere.

 

[englishleigh]

I was just thinking...with all this flooding in PA of the Susquehanna River, I wonder if RG has been in the river, if they might find him now, or more clues, at least?

 

[bykerladi]

I live on the Delaware, and I can tell you that the flooding has dredged up TONS of debris. As the water receeds, the debris is left behind. I know the Susquahana is the same. News states it will crest sometime tonight in that area, so if he's in there and is dredged up, we'll know by tomorrow.

However, the Susquahana also flooded last year (the 100 year storm). I think if rain and flooding was going to bring up new evidence, it would've been then.

 

[izzyB]

I was just thinking...with all this flooding in PA of the Susquehanna River, I wonder if RG has been in the river, if they might find him now, or more clues, at least?

i had the identical thought earlier today when i heard about the flooding!!!

 

[Louisa]

These are some pretty chilling thoughts about what the rivers might give up with the flooding this summer . . . not sure I want to go there!

On the other hand, 14 months have passed, with a dry summer last year, extensive river searches after Ray's disappearance, hikers, hunters, etc. combing the woods and river banks, and all we've found is the computer and the hard drive. I'm inclined to think if we haven't even found a piece of clothing by now, we're unlikely to find Ray's remains along or in the river at this point.

And finding his remains in or along the river would assume he went to Lewisburg (or nearby), stayed there, and met with foul play there. Not everyone is 100% sure of that, especially with Carolyn Fenton's claim that she saw him from 15-20 feet away parked in the courthouse parking lot in Bellefonte at 3 pm on Friday afternoon of April 15th. I know that LE hasn't changed their timeline because of that sighting (see Pete Bosak's Q&A, June 27), but I wonder whether the new task force looking at the case will see things differently.

Just my opinion, of course . . .

 

[christine2448]

Got a nice email from Pete Bosak of centre daily news. Asked me if I think he has missed any angles......anyone have any suggestions on this?


Thanks for reading Christine. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I had been out sick for a bit. I’m trying to keep new developments coming, but I must admit, they are becoming few and far between. I think of Ray every day and hope to do some kind of follow-up in the near future. Perhaps a story about how everything has gone cold again after renewed interest following the anniversary of his disappearance.
Do you know of any possible angles I have missed? I’m always looking for ideas.
Thanks again for reading and please, keep in touch.

Pete

 

[Hbgchick]

And finding his remains in or along the river would assume he went to Lewisburg (or nearby), stayed there, and met with foul play there. Not everyone is 100% sure of that, especially with Carolyn Fenton's claim that she saw him from 15-20 feet away parked in the courthouse parking lot in Bellefonte at 3 pm on Friday afternoon of April 15th. I know that LE hasn't changed their timeline because of that sighting (see Pete Bosak's Q&A, June 27), but I wonder whether the new task force looking at the case will see things differently.

Just my opinion, of course . . .

I'm with you Louisa. I am one who really is not sure he went to Lewisburg and if he did that he met with foul play there.

I wrote to Pete Bosak asking why the sightings by Carolyn Fenton and the men in Wilkes-Barre were totally dismissed by LE. I have not recieved an answer yet, but Christine, that's something I would definitely push with him. I am just not comfortable with the explaination that they discount these sightings because it "doesn't fit their timeline". I certainly hope that the new task force will take these sightings more seriously.

I also have a question - I heard somewhere that the gentlemen in Wilkes-Barre viewed a video and indentified Ray as Ray. Do we know where that video is now?

 

[Louisa]

Got a nice email from Pete Bosak of centre daily news. Asked me if I think he has missed any angles......anyone have any suggestions on this?


Thanks for reading Christine. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I had been out sick for a bit. I’m trying to keep new developments coming, but I must admit, they are becoming few and far between. I think of Ray every day and hope to do some kind of follow-up in the near future. Perhaps a story about how everything has gone cold again after renewed interest following the anniversary of his disappearance.
Do you know of any possible angles I have missed? I’m always looking for ideas.
Thanks again for reading and please, keep in touch.

Pete

Hi Christine,

Well, the last I checked Pete's column was late last night so there's always the chance he answered my question today , but you could email him and tell him that I wrote him three or four weeks ago asking him about an angle I think is worth checking into! I asked whether LE had done anything to try to connect the dots between the reported sighting of the tan car which was following a red and white Mini-Cooper on route 80 on Friday, April 15, 2005 and the tan metallic or silver metallic car Carolyn Fenton reported seeing Ray in in the Bellefonte parking lot on Friday, April 15, 2005.

Twice I saw Pete say, "For those of you who haven't had your questions answered, be patient. I don't want to rush answers to questions that require research" or something to that effect. So I waited patiently. And I still haven't had an answer.

I thought it was a pretty danged good question, but then what do I know?

Maybe it's because LE has dismissed CF's sighting and he doesn't want to go there? Of course, he answered the Billy Joe Leathers question for about the third time, so I don't know why he wouldn't at least use his classic, "Food for thought" response to mine.

Sigh.

 

[Louisa]

I'm with you Louisa. I am one who really is not sure he went to Lewisburg and if he did that he met with foul play there.

I wrote to Pete Bosak asking why the sightings by Carolyn Fenton and the men in Wilkes-Barre were totally dismissed by LE. I have not recieved an answer yet, but Christine, that's something I would definitely push with him. I am just not comfortable with the explaination that they discount these sightings because it "doesn't fit their timeline". I certainly hope that the new task force will take these sightings more seriously.

I also have a question - I heard somewhere that the gentlemen in Wilkes-Barre viewed a video and indentified Ray as Ray. Do we know where that video is now?

Chickie,

Did you give Pete the whole "beer" explanation we went through?

As for the video, I got the impression from the article that it might have been either home movie video or court video they viewed. Is there a reason you're asking? I don't know where the video is--just wondering what line of thinking you're pursuing.

 

[Hbgchick]

Lol...I didn't, only because I didn't have time and wanted to get that question out!

Well, just wondering where it was cuz I'd sure like to see it! And I also wonder how closely it was analyzed, or was the whole concept just thrown out the window? Would also like to see if he's actually wearing a "suit" or a sportcoat.