PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #4

[Louisa]

Chick,

We don't have much to go on with photos for Ray, but if you go to raygricar.com and look at the photo of him posed with the Mini, he's there in a sports coat and slacks. Put a nicer shirt under that sports coat, and your typical unobservant male could mistake that for a suit. Or, conversely, LE's report could transpose sports coat for suit by the time it makes the press. You know how "faint smell of cigarettes" sometimes shows up as "reeks of cigarette smoke." I still don't know whether it was faint smell or reeking, to tell you the truth. So, sport coat or suit, it's hard to tell what the actual people a) saw and b) reported to LE and c) LE reported to the press and d) the press actually decided to print, if you know what I mean. So much in this case gets twisted and turned around. Orange juice, sleeping, not sleeping . . . Just my opinion . . . but a great idea, if we could somehow see the actual tape. AS IF "they" would let a couple of WS'ers take a look, lol!

 

[Hbgchick]

Chick,

We don't have much to go on with photos for Ray, but if you go to raygricar.com and look at the photo of him posed with the Mini, he's there in a sports coat and slacks. Put a nicer shirt under that sports coat, and your typical unobservant male could mistake that for a suit. Or, conversely, LE's report could transpose sports coat for suit by the time it makes the press. You know how "faint smell of cigarettes" sometimes shows up as "reeks of cigarette smoke." I still don't know whether it was faint smell or reeking, to tell you the truth. So, sport coat or suit, it's hard to tell what the actual people a) saw and b) reported to LE and c) LE reported to the press and d) the press actually decided to print, if you know what I mean. So much in this case gets twisted and turned around. Orange juice, sleeping, not sleeping . . . Just my opinion . . . but a great idea, if we could somehow see the actual tape. AS IF "they" would let a couple of WS'ers take a look, lol!

AND, could be interpreted wildly differently between a smoker and a non smoker. To you, a non-smoker..."Ugh! It reeks of smoke in here!!" and me, a smoker "Hm. Smells like someone's been smoking recently".

To anyone who's wondering what Louisa's on about - she's addressing the question I sent to Pete B. Here is the (unedited before I had to cut out 400 characters) version:

Hi Pete,


Just curious about the video that showed a man in a suit sitting at a bar drinking a Heineken and smoking. This was discounted as "not Ray" because he typically drank Guinness beer, he did not smoke, and if he were "getting away" he would not be wearing a suit. I can easily address all of these issues.


Non-beer drinkers (or American beer drinkers) might not understand this, but I have been known to drink both Heineken AND Guinness beers depending on what I may be eating, the mood or ambiance of the establishment, etc.. They're VERY different beers, we're not talking Coors Light and Miller Light here.


Also, he was smoking. RG did not smoke...usually. However there was an odor of cigarette smoke in the MINI and traces of ash on the floor. Did RG ever smoke previously? As a reformed smoker, I have been known to still light up occasionally when under stress.


The suit. Are we SURE it was a suit? Or maybe just a sport jacket? Even if it WAS a suit, so what? What time of day or evening was it? I know many men (especially older, well groomed ones) who dress for dinner, thought that might sound foreign to some people it certainly happens. My step-dad for example, is so ingrained to wear a suit when he goes out for dinner, even at age 83 and with advanced Alzheimer’s disease, he STILL wants to put a suit on if we go out.



Anyway…could you address why the video was so easily explained away based on these three seemingly unimportant details?

 

[christine2448]

What's goin on everyone? I haven't heard a peep about Ray in a good bit.

He is still missing...

 

[christine2448]

The reward previously offered to anyone with information regarding the disappearance of Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar has expired.

The $10,000 reward -- initiated by Gricar's family about a month after his disappearance in April 2005 -- had a 12-month deadline. The family had hoped that during that time, someone would come forward with timely information.



News Link



Where is Ray??????

 

[Hbgchick]

Hi Christine. We're still here, just no new info!

 

[christine2448]

A state police team of investigators looking into Bellefonte Police Department's handling of the Ray Gricar disappearance now is not scheduled to meet until the middle of October.

While he had hoped the team of elite criminal investigators would have met by now for an in-depth review of the investigation into the disappearance of the former district attorney, Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira said he is not concerned about the time the troopers' review is taking.

"I'm willing to let it take whatever time it takes," said Madeira, who requested the review.

NEWS LINK

Seems everyone is OK with the butt draggin' goin' on here. Let's do it right they say. Dag gum it's only been a year and 1/2 since Ray has gone missing! Let's get it together people!!!!! JMO.

 

[christine2448]

A meeting of state police investigators looking into the disappearance of former Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar has been delayed by two weeks.

State police troopers studying the investigation into Gricar's disappearance now are not scheduled to meet until Oct. 31 and Nov. 1-2 at an undisclosed location, Bellefonte Police Chief Shawn Weaver said. The panel of seasoned investigators from across the commonwealth were slated to meet in mid-October to determine whether anything was missed or overlooked during the investigation into what happened to the career prosecutor.

"The delay is due to scheduling conflicts with the state police," Weaver said. "There are going to be quite a few troopers at this meeting."

Short article

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

News in brief

State police investigators are scheduled to meet Nov. 15 to Nov. 17 to review the case of missing Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar...
"They're going to do a pretty thorough review of what's been covered and what hasn't," Madeira said.

He added that only law enforcement personnel will be permitted to attend. The meeting will take place outside of Centre County, but the location is confidential.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Bump.

 

[Pandora]

There is a MAJOR meeting today(?) or within the next few days w/ everyone involved in the case discussing it and trying to brainstorm new leads. (It was announced on the local radio station.)

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Let's pray that this meeting will turn up something. This must seem completely endless to those that love and are missing Ray.

 

[christine2448]

Let's pray that this meeting will turn up something. This must seem completely endless to those that love and are missing Ray.

Yes, Pray. Thanks Jersey!

 

[Pandora]

Case review delayed until November 15.
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/15904503.htm

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Centre Daily Times | 11/01/2006 | State police delay Gricar case review -- again

The much-anticipated meeting of Pennsylvania State Police criminal investigators reviewing the investigation into the disappearance of former Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar has been postponed until the week of Nov. 15.

The meeting had been scheduled for Tuesday, Wednesday and today at an undisclosed location...

They have scheduled, and then postponed, their meeting three times now.

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One of the articles posted a while back stated that it would take place November 15 so I'm not sure why this is written as if it's a new & sudden decision.

ETA: Hmm, maybe it wasn't posted before - I can't seem to find any post about it now. But I could swear that a long time ago, someone in an article had mentioned November 15th as the date for this meeting. :waitasec:

 

[christine2448]

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One of the articles posted a while back stated that it would take place November 15 so I'm not sure why this is written as if it's a new & sudden decision.

ETA: Hmm, maybe it wasn't posted before - I can't seem to find any post about it now. But I could swear that a long time ago, someone in an article had mentioned November 15th as the date for this meeting. :waitasec:

I am sure you are right, I had read more than once that the meetings would be held Nov 15-17. I can't find it either, but your not crazy, I read that too!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Thanks so much, christine! I was beginning to think that the kids had finally driven me over the edge!!! :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

 

[Pandora]

News briefing conclusion: "We are no closer to solving this case."
"Local investigators have no new clues. . . ."
They are considering re-interviewing "persons of interest."
Recent tips have turned out to be "non-credible."
"Federal and state investigators are involved w/ Bellefonte PD running point."

Just a few quotes from the locat WTAJ channel 10 news story at 5:00.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

*SIGH* :banghead:

 

[Lili]

Disappointing isn't it. I was hoping something...anything...might have been overlooked. Maybe if persons involved are requestioned someone might remember something helpful.

 

[altruist1000]

Would be happy if "persons of interest" are reinterviewed.

IMO, there was a serious conflict of interest & BPD should never have been the primary investigating authority.

God Bless Ray Gricar & his family.