PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #8

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

In the link sharing mood I guess, so I just went to the Google News Archive and punched in "Ray Gricar." Probably nothing that would be new or unknown, just trying to share.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Ray+Gricar&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapers

Thanks for all of the links!!

I wonder why Detective Zaccagni didn't interview ADA Steve Sloane?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

In the link sharing mood I guess, so I just went to the Google News Archive and punched in "Ray Gricar." Probably nothing that would be new or unknown, just trying to share.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Ray+Gricar&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapers

A couple things I noticed.

RFG would prosecute cases that were were not sure things, even against someone associated with PSU, in general or the football team in particular:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4875,230811&dq=ray+gricar&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=4084,4657147&dq=ray+gricar+football&hl=en

 

[Lord_Chatterly]

Hello to All. Have not been around the last few days...dealing with a family matter here. However, I have looked in to keep up with the reading. The contributions you have made are excellent. Many thanks to the "New" Posters. The intensity here has picked up. Keep up the good work and will be back with You at a more suitable time. Keep it Up !!!

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

A couple things I noticed.

RFG would prosecute cases that were were not sure things, even against someone associated with PSU, in general or the football team in particular:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4875,230811&dq=ray+gricar&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=4084,4657147&dq=ray+gricar+football&hl=en

Hmmm, everyone 'cept Jer'...wonder why?!

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Hmmm, everyone 'cept Jer'...wonder why?!

It could have been an honest mistake. The statute Sandusky was charged under was about 5 months old at the time of the 1998 incident. RFG might not have been familiar enough with it. A colossal mistake, but yet an honest one.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Often with child molestation cases, they turn into something bigger, child ditribution cases, and human trafficing to name two.
The same can be said for illegal drugs, often a low end drug dealer at the end of the chain will roll over on his supplier to cut a deal which then leads to several more names and the weakest one rolls over again. Eventually this leads even as far as Mexico and/ or Columbia. Dateline has done several documentaries on such cases.
My point if you've made it through the previous dribble is this: Ray Gricar could have been pushing his luck on the Sadusky case, and dug deeper into darker waters involving child distribution etc. He may have had someone undercover, a PI or an inside man who was caught wearing a wire, or was playing the double agent.

I too was on the "walked Away" bandwagon and still have not abandoned that as a possiblity, but I'm open minded enough to not try and force every round peg into a square hole. I think the key to finding RFG if it was foul play, is to find out just how far he dug and who was on his most trusted list. Who could have rolled over on RFG to save his/her own skin?

 

[arielilane]

With all due respect one would ask, Why Lara hasn't done more to help with her father's disappearance? The answer perhaps is quite simple. jmo

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Often with child molestation cases, they turn into something bigger, child ditribution cases, and human trafficing to name two.
The same can be said for illegal drugs, often a low end drug dealer at the end of the chain will roll over on his supplier to cut a deal which then leads to several more names and the weakest one rolls over again. Eventually this leads even as far as Mexico and/ or Columbia. Dateline has done several documentaries on such cases.
My point if you've made it through the previous dribble is this: Ray Gricar could have been pushing his luck on the Sadusky case, and dug deeper into darker waters involving child distribution etc. He may have had someone undercover, a PI or an inside man who was caught wearing a wire, or was playing the double agent.

I too was on the "walked Away" bandwagon and still have not abandoned that as a possiblity, but I'm open minded enough to not try and force every round peg into a square hole. I think the key to finding RFG if it was foul play, is to find out just how far he dug and who was on his most trusted list. Who could have rolled over on RFG to save his/her own skin?

First of all, murder is not off the table, and my odds on it have gone up over the past year.

Second, there is no evidence that he was investigating Sandusky. There is not even a case file in the DA's Office on the case; according to LE, he was not working on it. The DA's Office had no investigators, and as far as I know, RFG never asked for one.

Basically, I'm talking about public perception. It is hard to generate interest in the case, when you have probably a majority of the people thinking he walked away. It is to the point that people in Centre County are telling jokes about it.

There is some circumstantial evidence that RFG did walk away, but it is not strong. If RFG did walk away, there should be stronger evidence of it.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

With all due respect one would ask, Why Lara hasn't done more to help with her father's disappearance? The answer perhaps is quite simple. jmo

She was reasonable active at first, but she pulled back. She's suppose to be on TV tonight.

Some of it is distance; she is about 2,500 miles away.

Since I wrote this blog, she, and the rest, have been speaking a bit more: http://www.centredaily.com/2010/08/03/2397492/the-great-retreat-part-1.html

Here are reasons that can be ruled out: http://www.centredaily.com/2010/08/10/2397516/some-myths-of-the-great-retreat.html

 

[minazoe]

TODAY Video Player

serious

 

[quixote]

The CDT has a brief article about tonight's Dateline. I always try NOT to read comments that follow articles on websites, as they are a quick and effective way to lose any remaining faith I have in humanity. Due to curiosity, I went against my best judgment and read them. The first commenter states that they know "as a fact" that Mr. Gricar was gay, and that he hid it well for years. Most of the remaining comments go downhill from there.

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/16/3022062/show-to-explore-gricar-link.html#disqus_thread

 

[Steely Dan]

The CDT has a brief article about tonight's Dateline. I always try NOT to read comments that follow articles on websites, as they are a quick and effective way to lose any remaining faith I have in humanity. Due to curiosity, I went against my best judgment and read them. The first commenter states that they know "as a fact" that Mr. Gricar was gay, and that he hid it well for years. Most of the remaining comments go downhill from there.

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/16/3022062/show-to-explore-gricar-link.html#disqus_thread

I just got off the phone with my brother about tonight's Dateline. He had no idea about the Ray Gricar case and it's possible connection to the Sandusky case.

As I was filling him in with what I knew about the case he suggested that Gricar may have been a pedophile himself and that he either killed himself out of remorse or just disappeared and destroyed evidence of his pedophilia.

I have to say that Gricar disappearing into society with a gay lover isn't totally out of the question to me. I would think that coming out today wouldn't warrant doing what he did unless he was exceptionally ashamed for some reason, while extremely remote it is possible, IMO. Stranger things have happened. I would think with all this Sandusky stuff going on right now that he'd come back to tell what he knows. JMO

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The CDT has a brief article about tonight's Dateline. I always try NOT to read comments that follow articles on websites, as they are a quick and effective way to lose any remaining faith I have in humanity. Due to curiosity, I went against my best judgment and read them. The first commenter states that they know "as a fact" that Mr. Gricar was gay, and that he hid it well for years. Most of the remaining comments go downhill from there.

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/12/16/3022062/show-to-explore-gricar-link.html#disqus_thread

I think if you wonder why I am very cynical about corporate help or a public appeal for help, you have the answer. The Sandusky revelation is a double edged sword. It gets more people interested in the case and they are talking more about it.

While I have read the rumors, those people who knew RFG insist he wasn't gay and never gave any indication he was interested in children sexually, of either gender.

I have heard of old girlfriends, and frankly, rumors of infidelity with adult women. For a public official, such rumors are common, however.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I will say this about the comments so far; they are a lot less brutal than they were about Lara. I was surprised how brutal they were about her.

 

[minazoe]

making popcorn. ... can't wait...are we all NUTS???? lolz...

I think there's a connection and in all seriousness, I want to know what happened to Ray so we can have justice if it's warranted.

 

[arielilane]

Thanks for the heads up on Dateline.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

 

[future criminologist]

I said all this forever ago..Ray got lured and deep sixed...and possibly Sandusky and Paterno are mobbed up in some way...after all Paterno is OLD SCHOOL.

It's easy to think mob involvement, but I think NO mob involvement in this particular case for 2 big reasons:

1. The Mob is not dumb enough to hit someone as high profile as a DA. They know that LE will be all over it, and they don't want that kind of attention.
2. The Mob is also old school Catholic - and no WAY they put their asses on the line for a child molester. I could see them getting that request from Paterno and telling him to go **** himself.

It's not 1953, and Mob hits are not as common as people think.

 

[quixote]

2. The Mob is also old school Catholic - and no WAY they put their asses on the line for a child molester. I could see them getting that request from Paterno and telling him to go **** himself.

Joe Paterno isn't the saint that many believed he was, and it is possible that he failed to take action to prevent Jerry Sandusky from victimizing more children, but I'm fairly confident that he would NOT have ordered a mob hit on someone.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Joe Paterno isn't the saint that many believed he was, and it is possible that he failed to take action to prevent Jerry Sandusky from victimizing more children, but I'm fairly confident that he would NOT have ordered a mob hit on someone.

Why kill the guy who didn't prosecute you?

Nothing on IB, but there were multiple witnesses of the LMW in the SoS.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

New blog up on how well many here are doing.