PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #9

[J. J. in Phila]

In previous parts of the discussion, it was mentioned that RFG gave a significant amount of money to a center for abused women, and that he had a previous case involving a domestic violence victim who later ended up being killed by her abuser in a murder/suicide. I believe it was said that he expressed some regret about that case, though there was nothing he could have done differently, he wished he could have prevented her from returning to her abuser? Does anyone know if that case occurred before his donation to the women's shelter? It seems it could speak to the way he processed cases that have a negative outcome, and may give us a framework for considering how he would have felt if he learned about Sandusky's later abuse.

I'm not familiar with the case.

In 1996 or 1997, the DA's position went from part time to full time. RFG's salary nearly doubled. It was a political issue in his 1993 election, because RFG had pushed for it for years, literally a month after taking office. He donated the increase to the shelter, which is a common PR move for office holders getting a large increase. I think it was more tied to that.

What was the reason for moving PEF from Victim Advocate to a clerical position? It does not sound like it would be a promotion, or a more interesting position. It does seem like he may have been sheltering her from something.

The clerk position had been open for a month, and PEF was planning to retire when RFG was. It would not be uncommon to get someone use to the advocate position to give them experience for the new guy.

Her replacement was said to be an advocate who worked at the woman's shelter. I believe it was also mentioned that he searched for a replacement through word of mouth.

I'm not sure it was by word of mouth; RFG had asked staff for suggestions, according to JKA.

Between that and the donation to the woman's shelter, I am curious if he had personal relationships with anyone there. I am also curious if the stories of women's shelters having their own version of the underground railroad to help battered women "disappear" is true. It seems the more credible of the RFG sightings involved women. If they do have a system in place to help battered women disappear, would they use it to help a male friend/donor who felt he was in harm's way disappear?

I never thought of that, but it is an intriguing thought. Thank you. When the reward expired, the money was donated to the same center. I've often talked about an "Inner Circle" of people that RFG might have trusted to help him walk away. All staff members are included, so it would include the new advocate.

Did we ever find out who the important, well-regarded person was that Pamela West suspected of killing Betsy Aardsma?

The character in her book seems to have been based on a professor that died within 6 weeks of Ms. Aardsma's murder. He was ruled out by LE.

Random question: was there anything significant occurring in November 1999? As a football fan, I remember the team going from undefeated to a hot mess, and always wondered if something was going on behind the scenes--someone sick, in-fighting, etc.

They lost the last three, but they were fairly close. Injury? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_S...nder_Joe_Paterno_(in_the_Big_Ten)#1999_season

The most likely explanation of RFG choosing not to press charges in 1998 would be, IMO, if he felt he could build a stronger case, or cast a wider net, by laying low and continuing a discreet investigation. I say discreet because I think he saw himself as an outsider, was a little turned off by the Penn State fanaticism, and would have been guarded as to who to trust, and who would become angry about it.

No evidence that he did, no case file, no forwarding of the reports to DPW, not even a suggestion that RFG personally interviewed the witnesses, at this point. No evidence of pressure from Penn State or bribery either. Maybe just a collapse of judgment, a major one.

I think the whole hard drive thing was a facade. I think he is alive somewhere and has his hard drive with whatever information he wanted someone else to think he was destroying. I doubt he will ever resurface, because of the ramifications to his daughter. But it would not surprise me in the least to hear he has been sending anonymous information.

If he left voluntarily, it could be reservations or account information. There is some fairly strong circumstantial evidence that he tossed the drive, but not why. It could be unrelated, or it could point to suicide just as well.

 

[BigCat]

On Penn State's 1999 season, if you look at the wikipedia page JJ linked, you'll see that the first two players taken in the 2000 NFL draft were defensive players from Penn State. The first 2 players being drafted from the same school has only only happened 3 times in NFL history. So PSU's defense was loaded with great players, yet it was the defense that let them down in the three games they lost.

I wonder, is it possible Sandusky sabotaged the season? The further I follow the Sandusky case, the more I believe Sandusky resented Paterno for not anointing him his successor. Why help Paterno win another national championship and let him get all the credit for it? It would be a very passive-aggressive response, but I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This is tangentially related from April 4th 2006, not sure if it has been discussed yet:
http://www.collegian.psu.edu:8080/archive/2006/04/04-04-06tdc/04-04-06dnews-08.asp


...wonder who this was. Who was he trying to protect? Why? Why would Guido D'. Elia be contacted and involved. Probably just some crazy person, but in light of recent findings regarding the football program who knows.

I wish the authorities or the media would try and locate this man. His acting out behavior very much reminds me of the victims of alleged resident NC pedo/ child molestor, R.C soles. Google former senator R.C. Soles....R.C.'s Boys....starnewsonline. Sorry no link and I don't wish to hijack the tread with details but it is a sad shame.

Why was this man looking for RFG?

Storing this info in my mental file cabinet.

wm

 

[rlc]

On Penn State's 1999 season, if you look at the wikipedia page JJ linked, you'll see that the first two players taken in the 2000 NFL draft were defensive players from Penn State. The first 2 players being drafted from the same school has only only happened 3 times in NFL history. So PSU's defense was loaded with great players, yet it was the defense that let them down in the three games they lost.

I wonder, is it possible Sandusky sabotaged the season? The further I follow the Sandusky case, the more I believe Sandusky resented Paterno for not anointing him his successor. Why help Paterno win another national championship and let him get all the credit for it? It would be a very passive-aggressive response, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Another possibility is that the players found out about the allegations, and could not stand to play well for the man. I would hope that someone, either someone at the school, or from the DA's office, would have at least talked to the players to ask if they had ever witnessed Sandusky behaving inappropriately. There had to have at least been rumors.

A point of clarification: when I said the hard drive was a facade, I had a brain lapse, I meant a decoy. I do believe that RFG threw that hard drive and computer into the river, but I think he did it to make someone else believe that he destroyed evidence/information that could ruin them.

I do not think RFG would just pass on the case and forget about it in 1998. I think the most likely reason for not pressing the charges then was that by the October 1998 meeting, at the latest, he started to suspect it was more than just an incident of showering inappropriately, and that there was some cover-up involved. I think he may have seen waiting on Sandusky as a necessary means to ensuring that if there were other pedophiles in the midst, either at PSU or Second Mile, he could flush them.

I know a few posters are tired of the Sandusky-related RFG theories, but I have one. RFG kept his ears and eyes open after the 1998 incident. At some point after the 2001 incident, one of the McQuearys, or the doctor with them that night, asked RFG about it. Bellefonte is a small town. They would have encountered him. If they wanted to know the status or wanted to address any doubts about whether TPTB were following through, they could have asked him. By 2004/2005, RFG had developed a theory that this was much bigger than just Sandusky, and that people would kill or otherwise ruin someone to keep it quiet. He decided to finish his investigation, and then disappear and submit all of the information from afar. On 4/15/05, one of the people he had interviewed called him to meet, told him that TPTB found out about his investigation, and he had to disappear earlier than expected. He threw a decoy hard drive over the bridge to convey the message that he destroyed the information, and called a friend at the woman's shelter who had experience helping people disappear. He is now anonymously submitting information. I just hope he is not submitting it to the guy who wrote the article about a child sex trafficking ring. I hope that guy is making up his own stories.

I know it's far-fetched, but 5 years ago, I never would have believed the stuff that has already been shown to be true, so give me a tin foil hat.

 

[justathought]

I know a few posters are tired of the Sandusky-related RFG theories, but I have one. RFG kept his ears and eyes open after the 1998 incident. -quote

I agree in a community that size, I don't think that over the years there was any way possible that Gricar wasn't picking up on more, given his position. More likely than not, nothing at the official level. Did he have anything on the destroyved laptop, harddrive? Possibly....It just doesn't make sense to me for his paranoria to be over credit card info...cancel it and get a new one for Pete's sake. He either really did want to destroy it or he was "setting" up the theory that he did.

I believe he walked away to ensure preserving his retirement etc. for his daughter...not knowing where the chips would fall when they fell. Don't understand why KA wouldn't talk Freeh (sp?) Also what is TPTB? I don't think he's sending info in.

 

[rlc]

I wish the authorities or the media would try and locate this man. His acting out behavior very much reminds me of the victims of alleged resident NC pedo/ child molestor, R.C soles. Google former senator R.C. Soles....R.C.'s Boys....starnewsonline. Sorry no link and I don't wish to hijack the tread with details but it is a sad shame.

Why was this man looking for RFG?

Storing this info in my mental file cabinet.

wm

I am flabbergasted. How can it be widely accepted public knowledge, multiple victims willing to testify, without charges filed against him? Please tell me there have been charges filed and the media has just been too preoccupied? I have to be missing something.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

On the first two points, it does not appear that LE ever talked to anyone other than victims/parents in 1998. I don't think they ever interviewed Dr. Chambers, though they had her report.

The laptop was purchased, by the county, in 2003-04. If there was anything on it related to 1998, it would have to have been scanned in and the originals destroyed. There is no paper trail in the DA's Office related to the 1998 incident; MTM does not think that is unusual.

If this was an attempt by RFG to convince someone that all the documents in the case, or any case, were on the laptop, how would that someone know that there were not copies someplace?

In that regard, there is zero evidence that he tried to further investigate Sandusky after the case was dropped.

I know a few posters are tired of the Sandusky-related RFG theories, but I have one. RFG kept his ears and eyes open after the 1998 incident. At some point after the 2001 incident, one of the McQuearys, or the doctor with them that night, asked RFG about it. Bellefonte is a small town. They would have encountered him. If they wanted to know the status or wanted to address any doubts about whether TPTB were following through, they could have asked him. By 2004/2005, RFG had developed a theory that this was much bigger than just Sandusky, and that people would kill or otherwise ruin someone to keep it quiet. He decided to finish his investigation, and then disappear and submit all of the information from afar. On 4/15/05, one of the people he had interviewed called him to meet, told him that TPTB found out about his investigation, and he had to disappear earlier than expected. He threw a decoy hard drive over the bridge to convey the message that he destroyed the information, and called a friend at the woman's shelter who had experience helping people disappear. He is now anonymously submitting information. I just hope he is not submitting it to the guy who wrote the article about a child sex trafficking ring. I hope that guy is making up his own stories.

There has been something close to this that has been rattling around in my brain.

1998, RFG basically decides that, even though there is enough evidence to prosecute Sandusky, he'll cut him break. These were not rape accusations. He gets word to the powers that be and says, **I won't prosecute, provided Jerry gets help.** He might see it as being humane and he won't have to knock down an icon.

For about seven years, RFG thinks everything is going along well. Sometime around March of 2005, he finds out that Sandusky is still at it. RFG realizes two things:

A. He's going to look like a Grade A idiot for not prosecuting in 1998.

B. He has to stop Sandusky.

RFG arranges a meeting in Lewisburg with someone who can "work it out," get Sandusky confined, but can the problem go away with a minimum of fanfare, maybe even not mentioning 1998. RFG, if he has to, can still charge Sandusky on the 1998 incidents.

He meets this person in Lewisburg, but the meeting does not go well. Whomever this person is decides that RFG needs to be silenced permanently. He kills RFG. It could be someone associated with Penn State or TSM.

RFG destroying the drive might be unrelated to that.

 

[rlc]

On the first two points, it does not appear that LE ever talked to anyone other than victims/parents in 1998. I don't think they ever interviewed Dr. Chambers, though they had her report.

The laptop was purchased, by the county, in 2003-04. If there was anything on it related to 1998, it would have to have been scanned in and the originals destroyed. There is no paper trail in the DA's Office related to the 1998 incident; MTM does not think that is unusual.

If this was an attempt by RFG to convince someone that all the documents in the case, or any case, were on the laptop, how would that someone know that there were not copies someplace?

In that regard, there is zero evidence that he tried to further investigate Sandusky after the case was dropped.



There has been something close to this that has been rattling around in my brain.

1998, RFG basically decides that, even though there is enough evidence to prosecute Sandusky, he'll cut him break. These were not rape accusations. He gets word to the powers that be and says, **I won't prosecute, provided Jerry gets help.** He might see it as being humane and he won't have to knock down an icon.

For about seven years, RFG thinks everything is going along well. Sometime around March of 2005, he finds out that Sandusky is still at it. RFG realizes two things:

A. He's going to look like a Grade A idiot for not prosecuting in 1998.

B. He has to stop Sandusky.

RFG arranges a meeting in Lewisburg with someone who can "work it out," get Sandusky confined, but can the problem go away with a minimum of fanfare, maybe even not mentioning 1998. RFG, if he has to, can still charge Sandusky on the 1998 incidents.

He meets this person in Lewisburg, but the meeting does not go well. Whomever this person is decides that RFG needs to be silenced permanently. He kills RFG. It could be someone associated with Penn State or TSM.

RFG destroying the drive might be unrelated to that.

A behind-the-scenes deal in 1998 would explain a lot. Let's say Paterno and Ganter assured RFG that there was no way this was anything more than a misunderstanding, they would watch him, get him into counseling just to be sure, but don't prosecute. RFG figured he cannot win the case if he has JVP and FG testifying to the guy's character, and defense attorneys spinning this the way JS has tried to spin it. So RFG says get him counseling, I will not prosecute, but if there is another incident, I will come at him hard, football be damned. In 2001, those who were trying hard for a cover up in 1998 would be reluctant to admit they were wrong, especially to the DA, and it may explain why the plan to report to authorities was scrapped after talking to JVP.

If RFG did not find out about the 2001 incident until 2005, given his history on abuse cases, I think he would have been "distraught" and "not himself". I think if he learned of it in 2005, in anticipation of a full investigation, he may have even tried to erase a hard drive to remove proof that he struck a deal with the devil, essentially. And I thought there was, somewhere in all of these reports, a mention of a parent reporting something in 2004--which may have reached RFG's desk in late 2004 or early 2005.

So the question is, if he did find out about it around that time, who would he contact first? Who might he want to meet in Lewisburg, away from observers or eavesdroppers or people who would recognize him or his companion?

ETA: I have to say, though, I still can't get past the gut feeling that he intentionally disappeared, rather than met an enemy who killed him. Maybe just because there have been so many shocking revelations about my beloved alma mater, that I can't stomach the idea of murder being added to the laundry list of sins and crimes.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

A behind-the-scenes deal in 1998 would explain a lot. Let's say Paterno and Ganter assured RFG that there was no way this was anything more than a misunderstanding, they would watch him, get him into counseling just to be sure, but don't prosecute. RFG figured he cannot win the case if he has JVP and FG testifying to the guy's character, and defense attorneys spinning this the way JS has tried to spin it. So RFG says get him counseling, I will not prosecute, but if there is another incident, I will come at him hard, football be damned. In 2001, those who were trying hard for a cover up in 1998 would be reluctant to admit they were wrong, especially to the DA, and it may explain why the plan to report to authorities was scrapped after talking to JVP.

That would explain the reaction of the Big Four in 1998.

If RFG did not find out about the 2001 incident until 2005, given his history on abuse cases, I think he would have been "distraught" and "not himself". I think if he learned of it in 2005, in anticipation of a full investigation, he may have even tried to erase a hard drive to remove proof that he struck a deal with the devil, essentially. And I thought there was, somewhere in all of these reports, a mention of a parent reporting something in 2004--which may have reached RFG's desk in late 2004 or early 2005.

He was interested in getting rid of the data on the hard drive about a year prior to his disappearing.

So the question is, if he did find out about it around that time, who would he contact first? Who might he want to meet in Lewisburg, away from observers or eavesdroppers or people who would recognize him or his companion?

We could rule out anyone on staff. They'd have no problem walking into RFG's Office.

While it pretty obviously wasn't McQueary, for a number of reasons, he didn't want to be seen with the investigators and met in a parking lot. It wouldn't be a janitor.

ETA: I have to say, though, I still can't get past the gut feeling that he intentionally disappeared, rather than met an enemy who killed him. Maybe just because there have been so many shocking revelations about my beloved alma mater, that I can't stomach the idea of murder being added to the laundry list of sins and crimes.

This does not change my odds; foul play is at 44% and walkaway 51%. It would not take a lot to change the odds, however.

The Sandusky case may be related to walkaway (if doing nothing more that providing a motive), but it may be related to murder as well.

 

[rlc]

After googling a timeline, I thought it interesting that one thing that popped up for March 2005 was a casual encounter between Paterno and Sandusky at the football complex, during which Paterno reportedly said "I thought we got rid of you." What are the chances that Paterno was the one to alert RFG? If the Big Four had made the deal with JS that they claim to have made, including that he could not be at the football complex, and he broke that deal, would JVP have finally given up on him and changed gears? The JVP of the Freeh report probably would not, but the JVP of old that we all believed in....

 

[J. J. in Phila]

After googling a timeline, I thought it interesting that one thing that popped up for March 2005 was a casual encounter between Paterno and Sandusky at the football complex, during which Paterno reportedly said "I thought we got rid of you." What are the chances that Paterno was the one to alert RFG? If the Big Four had made the deal with JS that they claim to have made, including that he could not be at the football complex, and he broke that deal, would JVP have finally given up on him and changed gears? The JVP of the Freeh report probably would not, but the JVP of old that we all believed in....

Timing isn't right. There were reports that RFG was acting unusually about a fortnight before that, on 3/8 and 3/9/05. The Paterno comment was 3/23/05. Yes, I had to look it up.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/timel...saint-in-private-an-alleged-monster-1.1234866

 

[rlc]

Timing isn't right. There were reports that RFG was acting unusually about a fortnight before that on 3/8 and 3/9/05. Yes, I had to look it up.

was that the sexual discrimination charges against RP, the basketball coach, had started.

ETA: and according to one of the less reliable sites, in February 2005, police chief downing filed her civil lawsuit, alleging some pretty significant corruption in York County, which she alleged TC helped protect.

 

[BigCat]

A behind-the-scenes deal in 1998 would explain a lot. Let's say Paterno and Ganter assured RFG that there was no way this was anything more than a misunderstanding, they would watch him, get him into counseling just to be sure, but don't prosecute. RFG figured he cannot win the case if he has JVP and FG testifying to the guy's character, and defense attorneys spinning this the way JS has tried to spin it. So RFG says get him counseling, I will not prosecute, but if there is another incident, I will come at him hard, football be damned. In 2001, those who were trying hard for a cover up in 1998 would be reluctant to admit they were wrong, especially to the DA, and it may explain why the plan to report to authorities was scrapped after talking to JVP.

If RFG did not find out about the 2001 incident until 2005, given his history on abuse cases, I think he would have been "distraught" and "not himself". I think if he learned of it in 2005, in anticipation of a full investigation, he may have even tried to erase a hard drive to remove proof that he struck a deal with the devil, essentially. And I thought there was, somewhere in all of these reports, a mention of a parent reporting something in 2004--which may have reached RFG's desk in late 2004 or early 2005.

So the question is, if he did find out about it around that time, who would he contact first? Who might he want to meet in Lewisburg, away from observers or eavesdroppers or people who would recognize him or his companion?

ETA: I have to say, though, I still can't get past the gut feeling that he intentionally disappeared, rather than met an enemy who killed him. Maybe just because there have been so many shocking revelations about my beloved alma mater, that I can't stomach the idea of murder being added to the laundry list of sins and crimes.

I have a difficult time believing anyone could make a DA completely disappear against his will. That would be a challenge for an elite intelligence agency like Mossad or the CIA. It's really far-fetched.

However, if it did happen, I would expect the following:

1) the crime would have to be committed by, at least, one physically fit male

2) the victim would have to trust the perpertrator(s) enough to be lured to an isolation location

3) the perpetrator(s) would have to know how to dispose of a body

In the case of a missing DA, I would think that perpretrator(s) could have some connection to law enforcement. I definitely would not suspect a bunch of career bureaucrats.

I'm not talking specifically about RFG. I'm saying any hypothetically missing DA.

JMO

 

[quixote]

As I said in my first post here, when all of the chaos erupted in November, I e-mailed two of my old PSU buddies with the subject of "Now we know what happened to Ray Gricar." I was sort of joking at the time. As this whole saga has gotten more and more bizarre, I keep thinking that his whole disappearance is somehow related. Then again, I also think that someday we will find out that J.J. is really Ray Gricar

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I am flabbergasted. How can it be widely accepted public knowledge, multiple victims willing to testify, without charges filed against him? Please tell me there have been charges filed and the media has just been too preoccupied? I have to be missing something.

And everybody knows what he is too! But he has the honor of being the longest term state senator in NC history. GMAB! His victims act out
(because they were cast aside once they became adults). He pays them hush money. And the vicious circle continues....:banghead:


Back on topic......................

I find it interesting that the PSU 4 thought the damning e-mails were not retreivable as PSU's computers were upgraded to new programming in 2004. IIRC, this occurred at the end of '04 but I can't find the link. J.J., do you or anyone else have recall or link of this?

And then RG disappears in april '05 and wipes out his hard drive by throwing his laptop in the river. His searches on how to destroy a HD began in 2004.

It may just be a coincidence, but I thought worth noting.

moo

wm

 

[BigCat]

On the first two points, it does not appear that LE ever talked to anyone other than victims/parents in 1998. I don't think they ever interviewed Dr. Chambers, though they had her report.

The laptop was purchased, by the county, in 2003-04. If there was anything on it related to 1998, it would have to have been scanned in and the originals destroyed. There is no paper trail in the DA's Office related to the 1998 incident; MTM does not think that is unusual.

If this was an attempt by RFG to convince someone that all the documents in the case, or any case, were on the laptop, how would that someone know that there were not copies someplace?

In that regard, there is zero evidence that he tried to further investigate Sandusky after the case was dropped.

There has been something close to this that has been rattling around in my brain.

1998, RFG basically decides that, even though there is enough evidence to prosecute Sandusky, he'll cut him break. These were not rape accusations. He gets word to the powers that be and says, **I won't prosecute, provided Jerry gets help.** He might see it as being humane and he won't have to knock down an icon.

For about seven years, RFG thinks everything is going along well. Sometime around March of 2005, he finds out that Sandusky is still at it. RFG realizes two things:

A. He's going to look like a Grade A idiot for not prosecuting in 1998.

B. He has to stop Sandusky.

RFG arranges a meeting in Lewisburg with someone who can "work it out," get Sandusky confined, but can the problem go away with a minimum of fanfare, maybe even not mentioning 1998. RFG, if he has to, can still charge Sandusky on the 1998 incidents.

He meets this person in Lewisburg, but the meeting does not go well. Whomever this person is decides that RFG needs to be silenced permanently. He kills RFG. It could be someone associated with Penn State or TSM.

RFG destroying the drive might be unrelated to that.

I really like the part in bold. (I think it's most likely he picked option A, but I'll address that in another post). To add to that, he could have genuinely been concerned with the safety and well-being of the boy. Remember the boy was hesitant to come forward because he feared Sandusky would no longer take him to Penn State games. We're talking about the victim! What do you think the response of the community would have been?

Just read the USA Today article on victim one's "tortuous, winding path":

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-09/victim-1-sandusky-witness/56278226/1

The public backlash, Gillum said, was almost immediate and jarring. Within weeks, the boy's mother reported to state investigators that she was confronted in a Lock Haven business by an unhappy local resident who had learned that her son had been linked to the allegations triggering Sandusky's removal as a volunteer.

The child's identity spread rapidly through the community, the psychologist said, making him and his mother the target of harassment — and ultimately threats of harm — by locals upset that Sandusky had been dismissed from the school.

RFG might have thought it was not worth putting the child through such an ordeal, especially if he thought a Centre Couny jury would not convict Sandusky. In retrospect, it was a disastrous decision not to prosecute; however, in 1998, the decision was defensible.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Bigcat, I could have easily understood RFG saying, **We need to look for other victims,** or **We need a grand jury,** but there is no evidence he did either.

In one "shaken baby" case, he took 10-11 months to charge, and it was a lot weaker case (the prep took a plea and was sentenced to time served).

He also seems to have zero contact with Lauro/DPW, not that Lauro wasn't a complete disaster here. This wasn't even passing the buck; granted if the buck had been passed, Lauro would have dropped it.

The Sandusky case vanished about as well as RFG did.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I have a difficult time believing anyone could make a DA completely disappear against his will. That would be a challenge for an elite intelligence agency like Mossad or the CIA. It's really far-fetched.

However, if it did happen, I would expect the following:

1) the crime would have to be committed by, at least, one physically fit male

2) the victim would have to trust the perpertrator(s) enough to be lured to an isolation location

3) the perpetrator(s) would have to know how to dispose of a body

In the case of a missing DA, I would think that perpretrator(s) could have some connection to law enforcement. I definitely would not suspect a bunch of career bureaucrats.

I'm not talking specifically about RFG. I'm saying any hypothetically missing DA.

I think if you are making this hypothetical happen in Lewisburg, I wouldn't be too worried about points 1 and 3.

A woman, or an unfit man, who could persuade a trusting DA to get into a car and drive out of Lewisburg would be a possibility. A gun is a great equalizer and, depending on the circumstances, it would be relatively to use it.

If the same person had access to private land, a shovel, and a weekend, she could bury a body.

 

[rlc]

Here is another random thought. An earlier poster was certain he/she saw a pre-dug grave right before Gricar disappeared. The police checked it out and was told it was from the Geology department at PSU. Wasn't the Geology Dept where the main suspect in the Aardsma case taught? I'm sure just a little coincidence, but you never know.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Here is another random thought. An earlier poster was certain he/she saw a pre-dug grave right before Gricar disappeared. The police checked it out and was told it was from the Geology department at PSU. Wasn't the Geology Dept where the main suspect in the Aardsma case taught? I'm sure just a little coincidence, but you never know.

That particular suspect, Dr. Richard Haefner, died in 2002 of a heart problem. Haefner was a student there.