PA PA - Richard Petrone 35 & Danielle Imbo 34, Philadelphia, 19 Feb 2005 #2

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  • #401
I don't know Rich's home address... I am assuming south of South St., but east or west of Broad... who knows. I am just wondering if maybe he forgot something- something as simple as putting the garbage out (well not on a Saturday night), but something that had to get done- late at night where not many people would notice?
Here's a question - for everyone here. Whom do you think was the "target"? Was it Richie, Danielle or both?

From the little that we know about each person's situations, occupations, LE's statements, etc., I believe that the "target" was either Danielle or both of them due to something relating to Danielle. I don't think that this situation was about Richie.
 
  • #402
Trutv.com's crime library has a write-up on this case and in there it mentions that Danielle got a ride to Philly. It doesn't say from who or anything else. I have quoted it here.

"She had gotten a ride into Philadelphia from her townhouse condominium in suburban Mount Laurel, New Jersey, and had planned to ride back with Richard."

This is the only place where I have ever seen any mention on how she got to Philly. If this is accurate, her car may have just been at home.
 
  • #403
as i've always said... unfortunately it seems obvious (to me) that danielle was the target, and anyone who was with her was to be taken out for being a witness.. and perhaps the 'certain person' behind the hired hit also wanted richie gone for HIS own personal reasons.

the only other thing i could imagine, iF it was a random act.... is that some idiot may have wanted his truck.. but the more likely scenario is that a different 'someone' didn't want to go thru a nasty divorce with d or have to pay child support. IMO, it's a no-brainer what happened... all they need is the freaking evidence. but it wouldn't surprise me if the investigators are being threatened by the thugs who did this.

RIP
 
  • #404
Thanks so much, anniem. With Danielle's car being at home the whole time, nothing can be gleaned from that aspect.
 
  • #405
I just read that article today!
 
  • #406
Here's a question - for everyone here. Whom do you think was the "target"? Was it Richie, Danielle or both?

From the little that we know about each person's situations, occupations, LE's statements, etc., I believe that the "target" was either Danielle or both of them due to something relating to Danielle. I don't think that this situation was about Richie.
I completely agree JerseyGirl.
Of course I have nothing concrete to base it on but Ive always felt the target was Danielle.
Richard seems from what everyone says about him to be an exceptionally warm bright good person.
Im not saying Danielle wasnt but I find it hard to picture Richard unintenionaly provoking some 🤬🤬🤬 to go to those lengths to wipe him off the face of the earth.
I didnt know Danielle of course but as a guy looking at her pictures she seems to have a quality where I could see she could drive someone who wasnt wrapped real tight crazy without meaning too.
Im probably not explaining that very well but maybe you know what I mean.
But of course I dont know either of them so I could be completely wrong too.
 
  • #407
With Danielle, it just seems that there are two reasonable possibilities - an ex-husband or a crazy fan/stalker. There don't seem to be any equally reasonable possibilities (that we know of) regarding Richie.
 
  • #408
With Danielle, it just seems that there are two reasonable possibilities - an ex-husband or a crazy fan/stalker. There don't seem to be any equally reasonable possibilities (that we know of) regarding Richie.
Once again were on the same page...I dont see any other possibilities but those two as well.
I dont see anyone else putting the kind of obsessive thinking it would take to plan and execute a scenario to not just kill but absolutely disappear two people and a truck ....I dont see that as an impersonal act.
It strikes me as someone with an enormous amount of emotional investment.
And I think that the perpetrator unwitingly put a signature on this crime by doing it that way
that is going to lead to his downfall.
If they had just ran into some piece of urban lowlife that wanted the money or the truck or Danielle they would have found them dead the next day.
I think the killer has managed to pretty much exclude that scenario himself and its going to cost him.
 
  • #409
Im not saying Danielle wasnt but I find it hard to picture Richard unintenionaly provoking some 🤬🤬🤬 to go to those lengths to wipe him off the face of the earth.

Like a bridezilla who was upset over an expensive wedding cake? Eh... that would be more likely to happen in NYC... :crazy:
 
  • #410
I know most don't agree....I am still thinking because the fact that they disappeared off the face of the earth, they are in water are crashed somewhere unseen. JMO. LE/Family however sure doesn't think so. I could be totally wrong.

I would like, if only I had time, to see how extensive the searches were that were done. I'd like to know more about the video of the bridges also. How much media can we trust...who searched, where?
 
  • #411
Christine- it's totally plausible. The river is actually really deep- giant ships travel down through there all the time. The former naval base is now a shipyard... and if any of you have been to Ikea- the SS United States is docked right there. PLENTY of places to enter the water.
 
  • #412
Thanks anniem15. http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/imbo_petrone/1.html had some good info. Everyone reading this should check it out. It settles the issue of where Danielle's car was. This is significant I believe.

I have always believed that the Truck disappearing with the victims is consistant with a driving mishap and not consistant with a double murder. Apparently I am not alone in my suspicions. As I have learned more, I feel stronger about this. A double abduction/murder that night seems unlikey. My reasoning is as follows:

Danielle went into Philly with Richards mother. She had no plans to go anywhere with Richard; that came up at pretty much at the last minute. How would any "hit man" know where to find them? Someone suggested they followed them (all evening through the streets of Philly?) If they did, where would they do the deed? Not near State St. Valenitine said there were lots of people on the street. A friend of mine, from the area has confirmed that there would be crowds on the street Saturday night a midnight. Crimes can and do happen but a "hit man" would not select such a spot. The same would apply to anywhere between there and Mt Laurel. These are city or suburban streets. There would be plenty of cars around and cops, cruising for DUI's, would take notice of any accident, "staged" or not.

Danielle'd condo is a possible abduction site. Everything I've read suggests that LE believes it occured "on the way back to Mt Laurel", not at the condo. Since the initial focus of the investigation was seaching waterways and other possible "mishap" sites, I going to assume that nothing was found at the condo to indicate that it was a crime scene. Nothing of interest in the condo; nobody saw or heard anything etc. We now know Danielle left her car there. It wouldn't take a criminal genius to figure out she was probably with some guy. They wouldn't know who she was with, when she would get in or even IF she were coming back at all. Who would sit in their car for hours where any neighbor might take notice? Finally, I found he condo (Brittany Commons) on Google Earth. The "row house" type condo has no attached garage. Parking is perpendicular to the driveway with no roof or any other shelter. Anything unusual like an abduction or carrying two bodies fron the condo to a car would have to be done out in the open. Not an ideal spot.

Some have suggested that the "ex", a middle class mortgage broker with no criminal record would have the where-with-all to retain a Mafia type profissional "hit man" who would be able to pull this caper off inspite of the problems. I find this most improbable of all.

I think we, and LE (assuming they don't know something earth-shattering we don't) need to reopen the possibility of a vehicular mishap.
 
  • #413
Some have suggested that the "ex", a middle class mortgage broker with no criminal record would have the where-with-all to retain a Mafia type profissional "hit man" who would be able to pull this caper off inspite of the problems.

Do you know the "ex"?

Do you know his background, history, lifestyle, friends, history, family?

How do you know what he would have the wherewithall to do?
 
  • #414
A friend of mine, from the area has confirmed that there would be crowds on the street Saturday night a midnight.
I am from the area and have lived here all of my 38 years. You would not find crowds on SOUTH Street at midnight on a February night, Saturday or not. ETA: I'll concede that it's possible but it's much more unlikely than likely.
 
  • #415
I am from the area and have lived here all of my 38 years. You would not find crowds on SOUTH Street at midnight on a February night, Saturday or not.

Yes... unless it's Black College Reunion (which happens in spring or summer I think- can't remember), or in the summertime. The only time I would go there during the winter would be for my b-day at TGI Fridays (LOL) or to the 24 hour diner.
 
  • #416
Crimes can and do happen but a "hit man" would not select such a spot. The same would apply to anywhere between there and Mt Laurel. These are city or suburban streets. There would be plenty of cars around and cops, cruising for DUI's, would take notice of any accident, "staged" or not.
I'm telling you, this is absolutely untrue. I've driven the route home from Philly to Mt. Laurel MANY, MANY, MANY times. I live in Mt. Laurel. I have often felt scared driving the dark, empty roads alone. Sure, they're not pitch-black, dirt roads but they are four-lane roads, (two on each side, separated by a concrete median), and at midnight, it's kind of creepy if you're driving there alone. As a resident of Mt. Laurel, I'm telling you - you can choose to believe it or not - the routes home from South Street to Mt. Laurel, on a late February night, are not heavily traveled. If we're looking to build theories, we should try to build them on facts as relayed by people that know the area from experience and not on suppositions. I don't mean this as an insult, I assure you. And you're free to speculate about anything you choose. But if you're basing theories on the concept that the roads would have been busy or that there would have been police around, etc., you are going to be dismissing possibilities that are extremely possible given the actual winter night-time road situations in the area. I know them from abundant personal drives on these roads over the course of the past 13 years.
 
  • #417
Christine- it's totally plausible. The river is actually really deep- giant ships travel down through there all the time. The former naval base is now a shipyard... and if any of you have been to Ikea- the SS United States is docked right there. PLENTY of places to enter the water.
I can agree that them being in the water is a possibility that has to have been considered and if I'm not mistaken, that possibility was investigated and dismissed. That doesn't mean that LE can't be wrong. However, I just can't imagine a spot where their vehicle could have gone into the water without being detected by damage to a guard rail or something. I don't know every inch of every possible route back into NJ but I still can't imagine it happening that way.

I wish we could know what LE knows to know for sure if we're barking up the wrong tree on any one theory or another.
 
  • #418
Do you know the "ex"?

Do you know his background, history, lifestyle, friends, history, family?

How do you know what he would have the wherewithall to do?
My thoughts exactly. Look up Rosario DiGiralomo. If I'm not mistaken, he had no criminal background and was a middle-class (or better), high-income earning man who happened to know and associate with some seedy characters. I'm not going to go into all the details of his double life, his murder of his mistress & mother of his "love child", if you will. Suffice it to say that no one could see it coming that he was going to murder this woman, dismember her and send her into the water, packed into a suitcase or some equally horrific thing.

There are surely dozens and dozens and dozens of similar murders where the murderer and or hit-man hirer would never have been suspected based on their past.

Many crimes would never be solved if we didn't look at the "impossible" when trying to solve them. That's why I don't discount 100% the idea that they're in the water.
 
  • #419
I have always believed that the Truck disappearing with the victims is consistant with a driving mishap and not consistant with a double murder. Apparently I am not alone in my suspicions. As I have learned more, I feel stronger about this.
Do you include the FBI's statement about this being a murder-for-hire in your calculations? I ask because I'm truly curious as to what you make of LE's statements after 3 LONG years of investigation.
 
  • #420
Since the initial focus of the investigation was seaching waterways and other possible "mishap" sites, I going to assume that nothing was found at the condo to indicate that it was a crime scene.
But wait, do we know that the water searches were the initial focus of the investigation? I am of the belief that the searches were organized and conducted by family and friends. I could be wrong.
 
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