GUILTY PA - Skyler Kauffman, 9, Souderton, 9 May 2011

  • #121
just an fyi, Skylar's mom is supposed to be on local CBS affiliate at 11:00 p.m. Here is their main link http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/ There is a watch/listen option at the top so might be able to listen live but I don't know....

I just saw it. Angry grandparents. Angry dad who had been eating dinner while his little girl was strangled. His words not mine. Mom bashing the cops. Many, many angry residents, and a memorial with teddy bears.
 
  • #122
  • #123
I believe the girlfriend called the murderer because she suspected something.
Calling my So if I heard screaming would not be something I would do. I would check it out or call 911. Why call him if he isnt home?
After his rather unhealthy looking self arrived saying he was exercising, I am sure I would believe that. Not hardly.
 
  • #124
You know pedophiles have always existed...in the "old days" they just weren't seen as the freaks they are, it was far more acceptable for grown men to have "crushes" on little girls, and in some eras, even marry them. They are far from a new species...but now they kill the children because the fact that what they do is a crime has been made clear and they know there is a punishment from society.

But clearly, the punishments are not enough to keep them from acting...
I can't get behind any reason whatsoever that ever allows a pedophile of any stripe out of prison. If LE is fortunate to catch one, they need to be done.
 
  • #125

“They did not believe my daughter because the cop knew [Troutman],” Gebhard told reporters.

Police said they thoroughly investigated that incident. (from Fox story above)


From WPVI. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8122162

What is interesting is Troutman quit the Telford Fire Dept (Telford is right next to Souderton) so he may have had occasion to interact with LE.....just my :twocents:
 
  • #126

Ok, the cops didn't arrest him 2 weeks ago but she still had the choice to let her daughter out alone or NOT. What, did she think this guy was just joking?

ETA: They don't have any more daughters do they? If so, they need to be taken away!! I'm more than a little angry that this girl was allowed to play outside ALONE. Father eating dinner? pffffft...
 
  • #127
“They did not believe my daughter because the cop knew [Troutman],” Gebhard told reporters.

Police said they thoroughly investigated that incident. (from Fox story above)


From WPVI. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8122162

What is interesting is Troutman quit the Telford Fire Dept (Telford is right next to Souderton) so he may have had occasion to interact with LE.....just my :twocents:

Still doesn't explain why she was allowed to play outside alone. We are supposed to protect our children, not hand them over on a silver platter!!!
 
  • #128
(Telford is right next to Souderton)

Oh I so wish I didn't know that, but I do.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

O/T, but not I wanted to thank the posters from Montco for being honest here. My DD was trudging back and forth up to Souderton, Telford, Perkasie, Q-Town often via train to "hang out". I was worried sick. She'd say "Well it's the suburbs". I know horrific things can happen anywhere.
 
  • #129
Suppose I had better step away from this one. The more I think about it the angier I get. I would have been MOVING OUT OF THERE, not sending my daughter back outside ALONE. I don't understand it. At all.
 
  • #130
When I was 9 or 10 years old I would play out on the streets for hours and hours alone or with friends. I dont think its fair to blame the parents, but I agree that after the other incident they should have been a bit more watchful.
 
  • #131
Ok, the cops didn't arrest him 2 weeks ago but she still had the choice to let her daughter out alone or NOT. What, did she think this guy was just joking?

ETA: They don't have any more daughters do they? If so, they need to be taken away!! I'm more than a little angry that this girl was allowed to play outside ALONE. Father eating dinner? pffffft...

Even if he was arrested two weeks ago he'd most likely have been out on bail. Now perhaps that would have given him cause not to murder a beautiful child. However, I post over on crimes against children and basically these creeps do what they want to when they want to.

Maybe Skylar's mom was so adamant about blaming the police well for whatever reason?

R&R I totally agree with you. Then again I kept my kid in a bubble. Her words. I figured the law isn't going to protect her it was my job. Oh and my own father with whom we lived was a Philly detective. He agreed.
 
  • #132
When I was 9 or 10 years old I would play out on the streets for hours and hours alone or with friends. I dont think its fair to blame the parents, but I agree that after the other incident they should have been a bit more watchful.

I did too! It was safer then, it was different. Seriously, there was one murder in the town I grew up in (very small) during my first 17 years of life! But ya, after the incident 2 weeks ago, get a clue people. I'm sorry, I can't help it, that's how I feel.
 
  • #133
When I was 9 or 10 years old I would play out on the streets for hours and hours alone or with friends. I dont think its fair to blame the parents, but I agree that after the other incident they should have been a bit more watchful.

Us too Laddsy. Dawn until dusk. No, blaming the parents isn't the right thing to do. However, it's obvious nobody else including the law is going to ensure their safety.

If my DD went into a man's apartment at the age of 9 to use a bathroom and got locked in? Well, she wouldn't have in the first place, but it would occur to a person to keep a vigilant watch.

Laddsy my parents were pretty protective. We're talking back in the late 60's. Sure we played on the block all day long. Checked in. Mom's stuck their heads out doors to keep watch. My brothers and friends were safe. Myself and another friend were sexually assaulted. My dad was a Detective, and as I said my mom very careful. No, I didn't blame my parents, but I sure knew to keep a better watch on my own child.
 
  • #134
I feel the parents could have taken steps to minimize the danger anyway. Geez, they should have just put a sign on her back saying "yoohoo, here I'am, take me"

Seriously. Right there, outside their home. It's not like this happened on school grounds, where they obviously can't watch her all day! KWIM? Where was the father that should have been protecting his little girl? Just don't allow her to be outside alone FGS!! I'm seriously disgusted.
 
  • #135
Yeah I agree, but we dont know all that much about the incident. Maybe the father had a talk to the guy and didn't think he was a threat after hearing his story. All we know is what is printed in articles.

on a side note I have just purchased two extra long leashes for my baby girls
 
  • #136
Yeah I agree, but we dont know all that much about the incident. Maybe the father had a talk to the guy and didn't think he was a threat after hearing his story. All we know is what is printed in articles.

on a side note I have just purchased two extra long leashes for my baby girls

I agree, there could be more to the story. We all know how the press can skew things. I sure hope there's more to it. Poor Skylar, RIP.
 
  • #137
Still doesn't explain why she was allowed to play outside alone. We are supposed to protect our children, not hand them over on a silver platter!!!

This is why I wouldn't let my daughter play outside even though "all the other neighborhood kids were out there". They ALL, had siblings, and automatically did their best to watch out for each other. I knew her instincts were to wait for her friends if they went inside for a bit, and she'd be outside on her own, or she'd feel too comfortable going into neighbor's houses. I never wanted her to feel that comfortable, or be that alone.

The parents said she was playing with friends, for all we know she was headed home from safely playing and he took her. The buddy system doesn't always work with young kids, what horrible hindsight the parents must be dealing with.

I agree with someone else though, if my daughter had gotten locked in a strangers apt, I would probably have moved almost immediately - or I would have had some vigilante justice done.
 
  • #138
If the police wouldn't/couldn't do anything, then get outta dodge! Whatever it takes. FGS don't send the child back out there alone!!!
 
  • #139
I don't know why she was outside. Was it a case of "I thought you were watching her, No I thought You were watching her" kind of thing? I don't know. I do know we had a brutal Winter and lots of early rain this Spring and it has been truly fabulous weather the past few days, so it would be hard to keep a kid (anyone, really) inside. And sad to say, I don't think most people have a tenth of the vigilance that we have because after following a few cases and seeing what can happen, it really changes you.
 
  • #140
This is why I wouldn't let my daughter play outside even though "all the other neighborhood kids were out there". They ALL, had siblings, and automatically did their best to watch out for each other. I knew her instincts were to wait for her friends if they went inside for a bit, and she'd be outside on her own, or she'd feel too comfortable going into neighbor's houses. I never wanted her to feel that comfortable, or be that alone.

The parents said she was playing with friends, for all we know she was headed home from safely playing and he took her. The buddy system doesn't always work with young kids, what horrible hindsight the parents must be dealing with.

I agree with someone else though, if my daughter had gotten locked in a strangers apt, I would probably have moved almost immediately - or I would have had some vigilante justice done.


That's an excellent point as Skylar was an only child. We can't always rely on the buddy system is right. At some point the kids split up.

As far as moving I think the location where Skylar's family lives (the apaprtments) they wouldn't be financially able to just up and go. We all want to be where the grass is greener, but as we so often here at WS that this can happen virtually anywhere.

Souderton is a suburb to me. I'm smack right in Philly. If I heard it once I heard it a million times from friends who moved and my siblings just how safe their kids were now. Ummmmmmmmm, no.

We hate to put a fear into our children. However, as my dad used to say "Better afraid then dead". It sounds awful, but it has merit. As I mentioned I was sexually assaulted by a neighbor from the same block. I was only 8. Friends of the family and all that. We can teach our kids over and over, but when it comes down to it kids well they're kids. Unfortunately there's creeps out there just sitting around watching for kids. It's our job to protect them.
 

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