PA - Small plane crashes in Northeast Philadelphia

Ahh, so this stop in Philadelphia wasn't a fuel stop? Do you have any idea why it would have landed in Philadelphia if you consider the location where it picked up the patient and that it was headed to Springfield to be refuelled?

ETA I don't mean specifics for this flight, just hypothetically why a plane would land at this airport when it has that origin point and destination for fuel stop.

PA Shriners Children's Hospital confirmed that the child on board the crashed flight was one of their patients -- as was her guardian on the flight.

It's about 1000 miles from PNE airport to SGF, and about another 1300 miles from SGF to TIJ where the child was expected to be collected and transported by ground ambulance to her destination in Mexico.

The Learjet 55 has a fuel capacity of 6,707–6,964 lbs
7,000 lbs converts to about 1051 US gallons which corroborates @AirForceVet24 post that they were fully loaded leaving PNE airport with 1000 gallons. JMO
 
ATC lost contact with the flight crew within seconds after take-off...and began reporting the plane as "lost."
I'm just seeing this on the news.
A former FAA person stated on NBC that something catastrophic happened right after lift off. This would explain the losing contact seconds after take off.
He also said this jet is high performance and very reliable.
This is so sad and awful, and this crash in a populated area.
 
Three houses on fire, multiple cars destroyed, and a man said his coworkers in the Roosevelt mall are still inside and he can't reach them. Yet more video released..another view of the massive explosion.
Sadly, there will be more victims.
Terrible month.
 
I'm just seeing this on the news.
A former FAA person stated on NBC that something catastrophic happened right after lift off. This would explain the losing contact seconds after take off.
He also said this jet is high performance and very reliable.
This is so sad and awful, and this crash in a populated area.
Whatever happened, it didn't seem to affect the exterior lights on the plane. You can see them in the videos of the crash, on the way down. So not a complete electrical failure? Something else.

MOO
 
This pilot is saying the the Learjet had instructions to turn right after take off, but didn't do so....just went straight for the 30/40 seconds before it dove. He thinks something happened inside the cockpit , plus there was no communication.

He also said the Learjet, which he has flown, is so sensitive that you have to think 200 miles ahead.


 
I usually post over on the missing persons thread. I'm a former airline captain and worked as an accident investigator for almost 15 years. (Trish has a copy of my creds but we never finished getting me verified). I flew a Lear 25D back in the day. The 55 is bigger overall but would have the same navigational capabilities. Not having a way to look up a mexican registry airplane I don't know what year it is but it would be capable for flight in all weather (with the exclusion of severe icing which NO one pokes their nose into).

In the US medivac flights have to operate under 14 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Part 135 which have petty stringest requirements for pilot certificate and maintenance. In Mexico, not so much, and their pilots don't tend to hae as much expeirience flying in winter time type weather as we do up here. If you want to look up the basic FAA report on it - it won't show up til Monday, but go to www.faa.gov around noon on Monday and down at the bottom of the page and click on "accident and incident data" then under "reports" click on "Preliminary data" and when that opens up the first light blue colored link with the accident data tables is there.

And for the person who talked about the "black box" surviving. General Aviation jets aren't installed with them, and aren't required to have them in the US or anywhere else. Some of the newer technology aircraft have data systems that can record some elements of engine and operating data but there is no "black box" (which by the way is orange, and they are VERY heavy - I had to babysit one on a flight to the NTSB Lab on a commercial airline flight once long ago).

Grace
Thanks for the informative post. The news keeps talking about the black box on this plane. Do you think that any plane that operates in a business capacity is required to have one?

JMO.
 
This pilot is saying the the Learjet had instructions to turn right after take off, but didn't do so....just went straight for the 30/40 seconds before it dove. He thinks something happened inside the cockpit , plus there was no communication.

He also said the Learjet, which he has flown, is so sensitive that you have to think 200 miles ahead.


I'm still a big fan of the theory that it stalled out for some reason (weight/balance issue or something like that). I imagine the pilots would be so focused during that short period of time on correcting the problem, that communicating wouldn't be a priority.
 
I'm still a big fan of the theory that it stalled out for some reason (weight/balance issue or something like that). I imagine the pilots would be so focused during that short period of time on correcting the problem, that communicating wouldn't be a priority.
Thirty, forty seconds is a long time to not alert anyone they have an issue. Especially over a dense urban area.

MOO
 
I got a Ring alert from the town next to mine (Jersey side about 5 miles from the crash site) from a resident asking others on the town FB page if they “FELT THAT??!!!”. I asked my husband if he felt/heard it and he said he did. Weird that I didn’t notice anything. Suddenly the Ring comments started saying there was a plane crash at Cottman Ave & Roosevelt Blvd.

I hoped for a moment that someone either had seriously misunderstood something and posted this without double-checking their info OR (and this would be HORRIBLE) playing a sick “joke” (obviously funny only to himself and evil) on others. But as the comments exploded on several different groups you just knew it was real. All I could think of is OMG this is such a populated area and knowing that their could be so many other victims (people and animals) that are injured or dead that were on the streets (walking, biking, driving, etc), in their cars, in their home. It is just horrible and I truly pray for ALL of the victims, their loved ones, those who have lost their homes, their belongings, the Police/Fire/EMS people, witnesses, etc.
 
I'm still a big fan of the theory that it stalled out for some reason (weight/balance issue or something like that). I imagine the pilots would be so focused during that short period of time on correcting the problem, that communicating wouldn't be a priority.
The aviation incident vids I watch always say the rule is, in order, Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

So first of all, fly the plane, keep it in the air and stabilised in the air, next is where is the plane going, and finally to communicate problems. Flying and dealing with the problems is the priority.

They might have been fighting to keep the plane in the air if there was a problem on takeoff, and keeping up in the air and trying to keep lift could have taken all their effort.
 
PA Shriners Children's Hospital confirmed that the child on board the crashed flight was one of their patients -- as was her guardian on the flight.

It's about 1000 miles from PNE airport to SGF, and about another 1300 miles from SGF to TIJ where the child was expected to be collected and transported by ground ambulance to her destination in Mexico.

The Learjet 55 has a fuel capacity of 6,707–6,964 lbs
7,000 lbs converts to about 1051 US gallons which corroborates @AirForceVet24 post that they were fully loaded leaving PNE airport with 1000 gallons. JMO
The guardian is also a patient?
was the guardian donating an organ?
 
More detail about the surviving victims:

The victims include an 11-year-old boy who suffered head injuries, a 31-year-old man who suffered head injuries and a 30-year-old woman who suffered facial injuries, according to the source.

 
From Steve Lookner at Agenda Free:



What to Know​

  • A medical transport jet carrying a child patient, her mother and four others crashed into a Philadelphia neighborhood about 30 seconds after taking off, erupting in a fireball and engulfing several homes in flames.
  • The crash occurred shortly after 6 p.m. on Friday, Jan. 31, 2025, near the intersection of Roosevelt Boulevard and Cottman Avenue. Multiple videos obtained by NBC10 show the plane plummeting from the sky, crashing to the ground and a massive explosion shortly after. Multiple homes in the area caught fire.
  • According to the FAA, the plane was a Learjet 55 that left Northeast Philadelphia Airport and was headed for Springfield-Branson National Airport and stopping in Missouri before traveling to its final destination of Tijuana, Mexico.
  • A girl who was returning to Mexico after receiving treatment for a life-threatening illness in the U.S. was among the six people on board the flight. The girl's mother, a pilot, copilot, doctor and paramedic were also on board.
  • Jet Rescue Air Ambulance, which operated the Learjet 55, said in a statement: “We cannot confirm any survivors.” There was no immediate word whether anyone on the ground was killed, but at least six people were treated for injuries at a hospital.
  • The FAA said the National Transportation Safety Board will lead the investigation. The NTSB said an investigator arrived and more officials would be there Saturday.
  • A shelter for those impacted by the crash opened at Samuel Fels High School on 5500 Langdon Street in Philadelphia.
 

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