PA - Small plane crashes in Northeast Philadelphia

[Arkay]

I’d already said on the DC plane crash thread that it’s been a very rough January. Then here comes the very last day of January and yet one more tragedy to finish off the month.

This is so traumatizing to see, and I’m not on any social media so thankfully have not seen any beastly graphic videos.

Yet the outsized explosion of this Learjet crashing is genuinely terrifying. Typically in a single plane crash we don’t see the entire horizon on fire.

I know the news says it was cars etc. exploding. It still strikes me as a mammoth eruption. So terrifying.

Prayers for those on the ground who were injured as well.

Also for the families of those doing this charitable work of transporting this little girl.

JMO

 

[sds71]

Philadelphia’s mayor says one person on the ground was killed and 19 were injured when an air ambulance crashed to the ground in a city neighborhood on Friday night.

Live Updates: Medical jet carrying 6, including girl, crashes in Northeast Philly

A small plane crashed in Northeast Philadelphia, causing a massive explosion and multiple homes to catch fire.

www.nbcboston.com

 

[bestill]

What a disaster to try and figure out. It's going to difficult to figure out how many people were killed because this happened in a busy area and people would be driving and be out and about. It's going to take a team of crime scene specialists to help identify the body parts. It's horrific.

I was just thinking the same thing. What if they're in an uber or another ride share? Some people may not be reported missing for days.

 

[Dotta]

Chilling moan heard in new Pennsylvania plane crash audio

A chilling moan was heard in newly revealed cockpit audio chatter between air traffic control and the doomed air ambulance that crashed over Pennsylvania on Friday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Simply Southern]

Video shows 2023 plane crash involving same airline in deadly Philadelphia wreck

Video found on social media appears to the aftermath of a 2023 plane crash involving the same airline that owned the medical jet that went down Friday night in

local21news.com

....
Officials said five crewmembers were killed when the air ambulance, that belonged to the company Jet Rescue Air Ambulance, overran a runway and crashed into wooded hillside near the town of Tetlama. The town is about 30 miles south of Mexico City.

This is the second deadly crash involving a Jet Rescue Air Ambulance Plane.

 

[Amonet]

Question for those who know about the pilot/atc stuff. At what point during takeoff would that frequency transfer be communicated to the pilots? The plane seems fine in the cockpit when they acknowledge the new frequency, but very soon after that something catastrophic happens. Does this indicate that the plane did clear the runway in order to be handed off to the next frequency?

Would the runway/airport have camera coverage?

I'd also be interested in a map of where different parts of the plane ended up. The still image in the DM link above (linked to by Dotta) shows what seems to be part of the body of the plane with windows showing. I'm curious if that came down separately from the larger section that caused the crater? To me it looks like it has, but that would mean the body of the plane broke up or got blown out before the actual crash.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1885729974058979372

So 6 in the plane deceased, 1 on the ground (in car), 19 injuries

 

[cujenn81]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1885793319403344375

NTSB will hold a media briefing on yesterday’s Learjet 55 crash in Philadelphia at 5 p.m. ET today. The briefing will be held in the meeting room in the basement of the Northeast Regional Library (2228 Cottman Avenue, Philadelphia). Chairman Jennifer Homendy will be spokesperson.

 

[cujenn81]

Plane crash in Philadelphia neighborhood kills 7; several homes catch fire

Six Mexican citizens aboard a medical jet and one person on the ground were killed after the plane crashed in Philadelphia.

www.cbsnews.com

Investigators are combing through a debris field that extends across four to six city blocks, Philadelphia's Managing Director Adam Thiel said in a news briefing on Saturday morning.

"We also have debris in a remote area where something happened with the aircraft, and that's something that we’ll have to leave the NTSB to talk about, Thiel said.

It's also possible that debris from the plane fell in other areas.

"It's possible that if you are somewhere not even near here...between this location and Northeast Airport, you may go out and find something in your yard, something on your car," Thiel added. "Don't touch it, call 911. We need to know that."

 

[Chimera]

Question for those who know about the pilot/atc stuff. At what point during takeoff would that frequency transfer be communicated to the pilots? The plane seems fine in the cockpit when they acknowledge the new frequency, but very soon after that something catastrophic happens. Does this indicate that the plane did clear the runway in order to be handed off to the next frequency?

Would the runway/airport have camera coverage?

I'd also be interested in a map of where different parts of the plane ended up. The still image in the DM link above (linked to by Dotta) shows what seems to be part of the body of the plane with windows showing. I'm curious if that came down separately from the larger section that caused the crater? To me it looks like it has, but that would mean the body of the plane broke up or got blown out before the actual crash.

Bbm
I'd like to know as well !
They may be able to pinpoint if it stalled, and the pilot tried to turn the nose upright ?

At this point I'm thinking massive mechanical failure, nothing nefarious; and until the investigators can isolate the cause they may need to temp. ground this make/model of aircraft ?

Video shows 2023 plane crash involving same airline in deadly Philadelphia wreck

Video found on social media appears to the aftermath of a 2023 plane crash involving the same airline that owned the medical jet that went down Friday night in

local21news.com

....
Officials said five crewmembers were killed when the air ambulance, that belonged to the company Jet Rescue Air Ambulance, overran a runway and crashed into wooded hillside near the town of Tetlama. The town is about 30 miles south of Mexico City.

This is the second deadly crash involving a Jet Rescue Air Ambulance Plane.

A faulty airplane design ?
Omo.

 

[Warwick1991]

Question for those who know about the pilot/atc stuff. At what point during takeoff would that frequency transfer be communicated to the pilots? The plane seems fine in the cockpit when they acknowledge the new frequency, but very soon after that something catastrophic happens. Does this indicate that the plane did clear the runway in order to be handed off to the next frequency?

Would the runway/airport have camera coverage?

I'd also be interested in a map of where different parts of the plane ended up. The still image in the DM link above (linked to by Dotta) shows what seems to be part of the body of the plane with windows showing. I'm curious if that came down separately from the larger section that caused the crater? To me it looks like it has, but that would mean the body of the plane broke up or got blown out before the actual crash.

An earlier linked account says that the plane descended towards the ground at 11,000 feet per minute. If that's the case, the plane will break up during descent, as it's structural capacity would be exceeded. I hope the reason for this crash can be determined.

It is too bad this Learjet probably has no black box. The investigation will have to find as much of the debris as possible, and plot all of the locations.

 

[Warwick1991]

Bbm
At this point I'm thinking massive mechanical failure, nothing nefarious; and until the investigators can isolate the cause they may need to temp. ground this make/model of aircraft ?



A faulty airplane design ?
Omo.

This model was first produced in 1979, and many are still in service. My guess is the operator may be at fault. JMO

Learjet 55 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[cujenn81]

Stream Live: NTSB gives update on medical plane crash in Philadelphia that killed 7, injured 19

A medical transport jet transporting a child, her mother and four others crashed into a Philadelphia neighborhood shortly after takeoff.

www.ksbw.com

Live stream of briefing at link… doesn’t look like it’s started yet.

 

[Charlot123]

You always wonder how much has been lost. If the doctor accompanying the little girl was chief of neonatology in a major hospital of Mexico City, then maybe, among other reasons, he came to study and learn the ins and outs of the treatment not yet available in Mexico? No doubt he was enriched with knowledge and could later help other patients back home.

Thinking about the hospital staff that tried so hard, no doubt. To feel that your patient is OK, only to realize that she’s died hours after the discharge. Poor staff, I can imagine how hard they were trying, for months, to save her.

And the devastated family who lost two members. And the crew of the Learjet that had been helping so many. Their families.

And the people below, on earth. The nightmare, when a burning plane is falling on your car or house. I hope that everyone is accounted for.

 

[cujenn81]

Recap of NTSB briefing in my words.

It’s still a very active investigation. Their main objective at this point is recovering and securing all of the debris from the debris field and safely transporting it to be analyzed. They are still looking for the cockpit recorder. It may be severely damaged or fragmented, but the NTSB has specialists who are very good at recovering recordings even when the boxes have been damaged. She asks that anyone who finds debris please email them at [email protected]. The crash was a high impact crash that occurred less than a minute after takeoff. The plane made a sharp right turn and then a sharp left turn before nosediving at 1500 feet. The debris field spans 4 to 6 blocks.

The crash is being classified as an accident at this time. She hadn’t heard the comment about a second debris field being in a remote area (and isn’t aware that there is one), so she couldn’t speak to that. She said she would look into it and provide more details about the comment at the next briefing. She isn’t aware of anything falling from the plane prior to the explosion. ATC received no communications from the aircraft after takeoff and did not respond to the tower’s attempt to communicate.

My personal comment - NTSB chairwoman Jennifer Homendy (who led the press conference) is VERY good at her job. I’ve never seen such an organized press briefing.

 

[Dotta]

"Pennsylvania plane pilots and doctor​

providing lifesaving care to young girl ​

are named as victims in deadly fireball crash.​

The Learjet 55 aircraft was piloted by
Alan Montoya and co-pilot Josué Juárez
as they flew the unnamed girl
who had received 'life-saving care'
from a Philadelphia hospital
on Friday evening back home to Mexico.

Doctor Raúl Meza was also on board,
according to Mexican emergency service XE Médica Ambulancia.

'At the moment we know
that our head of neonatology, Dr Raúl Meza,
was part of the crew of the XA-UCI air ambulance belonging to another company
where Dr. Meza also provides his professional services',
XE Médica Ambulancia wrote."

Rest in Peace

Pennsylvania plane pilots and doctor named in deadly fireball crash

The two pilots involved in the Pennsylvania plane crash and a doctor that was on board have been named after the tragic incident killed all six on board.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Simply Southern]

Ooops wrong thread

 

[Warwick1991]

Recap of NTSB briefing in my words.

It’s still a very active investigation. Their main objective at this point is recovering and securing all of the debris from the debris field and safely transporting it to be analyzed. They are still looking for the cockpit recorder. It may be severely damaged or fragmented, but the NTSB has specialists who are very good at recovering recordings even when the boxes have been damaged. She asks that anyone who finds debris please email them at [email protected]. The crash was a high impact crash that occurred less than a minute after takeoff. The plane made a sharp right turn and then a sharp left turn before nosediving at 1500 feet. The debris field spans 4 to 6 blocks.

The crash is being classified as an accident at this time. She hadn’t heard the comment about a second debris field being in a remote area (and isn’t aware that there is one), so she couldn’t speak to that. She said she would look into it and provide more details about the comment at the next briefing. She isn’t aware of anything falling from the plane prior to the explosion. ATC received no communications from the aircraft after takeoff and did not respond to the tower’s attempt to communicate.

My personal comment - NTSB chairwoman Jennifer Homendy (who led the press conference) is VERY good at her job. I’ve never seen such an organized press briefing.

Well, the press conference indicates there is a cockpit voice recorder. If it wasn't destroyed, it will be valuable. If it wasn't original equipment, it's possible to install one.

 

[ASipowicz]

Captain Juan Browne from the Blancolirio channel on YT just stated he does not believe the plane was in a stall as is being conjectured on the internet. He is leaning toward spacial disorientation. Also he does not think believe the jet was on fire before it crashed (as I had believed), he said the bright light seen on the videos is from the landing lights.

My condolences to all affected by this tragedy.

 

[GraceG]

Well, the press conference indicates there is a cockpit voice recorder. If it wasn't destroyed, it will be valuable. If it wasn't original equipment, it's possible to install one.

I haven't run across a Lear with one before, but my Lear flying was all corporate (FAR Part 91). This is a Mexican registry aircraft so not sure what their rules are, but in the US if the plane was manufactured before April 7, 2010 and is a turbine jet seating six or more (not including pilot and copilot) I believe it does have to have voice recorder. They are remarkablly durable, but I just saw a photo of the impact crater. They may not find it in good enough condition to send over to the Lab.