PA - Small plane crashes in Northeast Philadelphia

[acutename]

To follow up on my previous post, my friend checked her ring cam, it didn't get anything, motion sensored and facing the wrong way. However, my contractor called me this morning. One of his workers was driving in the area at the time, and their truck ended up kinda involved. The worker is traumatized, but physically okay. The truck is with the FBI, because it has debris and human remains in it. He sent me a video, but I haven't watched it yet. He warned me that it's very graphic. His worker is now in the care of a psychiatrist after what he saw. He is a good guy, here on a green card from Italy, excellent worker and person. He also said that there seems to be a lot of casualties that haven't been announced, but MOO, second hand info.

I cannot imagine what it would be like for people driving in that area at rush hour with plane and body parts flying around, things going on fire. It would be terrifying and if you were in traffic - can't drive away, can't get out of your car? I would have trouble driving there again
even if I was not actually injured. the NTSB was telling neighborhood people to notify them if they found anything on their property in the next few days.

 

[justtrish]

To follow up on my previous post, my friend checked her ring cam, it didn't get anything, motion sensored and facing the wrong way. However, my contractor called me this morning. One of his workers was driving in the area at the time, and their truck ended up kinda involved. The worker is traumatized, but physically okay. The truck is with the FBI, because it has debris and human remains in it. He sent me a video, but I haven't watched it yet. He warned me that it's very graphic. His worker is now in the care of a psychiatrist after what he saw. He is a good guy, here on a green card from Italy, excellent worker and person. He also said that there seems to be a lot of casualties that haven't been announced, but MOO, second hand info.

How horrific I can't even imagine being in the area close to this let alone being right there and having remains land that close.

I am sure it's going to be very difficult to ID some of the victims because they met a very violent end and if they are not intact, then If people are driving in cars or passengers in cars that may have caught fire, I think trying to Id them will be difficult also because their ID might be unreadable and if the vehicle isn't registered to you, then there may not be a direct connection to help figure things out. I wonder how many missing person reports have been filed since the accident?

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm not sure this is likely. Shriners, like everyone else, is having to minimize costs. We had to take a child to Shriners over multiple years. We had some travel costs covered, but the last trip was not, they just didn't have funds to do so.

 

[Bounceycat]

I don't mean to be indelicate, but one of the news articles said that remains of those on the plane will be returned to their families in Mexico. And of course, the gruesome scene of body parts on cars and in the streets. I'd initially assumed the body parts were from victims on the ground and no recognizable parts of those on the plane would remain after the plane's impact, but maybe I'm wrong? Can anyone with better knowledgeable help clear this up for me? Will there likely be remains from those on the plane to return to their families, and would they likely be the same remains seen on the streets and cars?

 

[Sundog]

I don't mean to be indelicate, but one of the news articles said that remains of those on the plane will be returned to their families in Mexico. And of course, the gruesome scene of body parts on cars and in the streets. I'd initially assumed the body parts were from victims on the ground and no recognizable parts of those on the plane would remain after the plane's impact, but maybe I'm wrong? Can anyone with better knowledgeable help clear this up for me? Will there likely be remains from those on the plane to return to their families, and would they likely be the same remains seen on the streets and cars?

In order to determine the cause of the crash, people in the area have been asked to call a special number if they find any debris or other in their yards or nearby. With regard to human remains, I have no doubt that the local authorities will handle this appropriately if a call is made of remains nearby residences and/or business and other venues. In addition, I am sure that representatives from the Mexican Embassy or Consulate are working closely with LE to repatriate the remains of their citizens.

 

[justtrish]

I don't mean to be indelicate, but one of the news articles said that remains of those on the plane will be returned to their families in Mexico. And of course, the gruesome scene of body parts on cars and in the streets. I'd initially assumed the body parts were from victims on the ground and no recognizable parts of those on the plane would remain after the plane's impact, but maybe I'm wrong? Can anyone with better knowledgeable help clear this up for me? Will there likely be remains from those on the plane to return to their families, and would they likely be the same remains seen on the streets and cars?

I am no expert on this so this is just my best guess so IMO only.

I know the military has a dedicated group of people that recover and return remains from even WW2, the Korean War, and Vietnam. It is a tedious process and even if its just a bone, they will ensure it is returned in a dignified way to the US. I am guessing that this process with be difficult and even the smallest parts or pieces (sorry this just sound so insensitive, but it isn't my intent) will be DNA tested and added to any reamins they are able to find for each victim. The problem for anyone on the ground is that it may not be known they were even in the area so I'm not sure how to ID someone that there may be no family DNA on file for to try to compare it too. I suspect this might be way they have only said 7 victims. They know 100% who was on the plane so they can say that those are no longer with us and it seems like another victims may have been easy to ID so possibly just gravely injured from debirs or from being burned, but still recognizable with an ID on them.
Of course I hope that there really are no other casualties, but for the level of that fireball and the busy road with just about zero chance for anyone on the ground to move or avoid what was coming, I just don't know.. it seems more likely that others who were in the immediate area are not going to easily be ID'd due to what likely happened to their body. This is why I asked about missing persons reports. If they have missing people who could be in that area that night, I think they would get DNA from a close relative for comparative purposes. It might be all they can do to try to ID any remains that don't belong to know the known victims.

 

[Angelcat13]

As a fearful flyer I can't tell you how many self help books and videos I have looked at. "Planes don't just fall from the sky" is one of the most common phrases. They can glide, the air is like jello, etc.....this video footage is terrifying. It's like some lever got stuck in a straight down position!

I know! When i saw the first Ring camera footage I thought it looked like a meteor.

 

[IceIce9]

The loss of the dr, the EMT and the pilot is also bad.
Don't people usually volunteer for these types of flights?

Some could be volunteers, especially when working with charities. But most air ambulance fixed wing and helicopter life flights are paid positions.

 

[Bounceycat]

I am no expert on this so this is just my best guess so IMO only.

I know the military has a dedicated group of people that recover and return remains from even WW2, the Korean War, and Vietnam. It is a tedious process and even if its just a bone, they will ensure it is returned in a dignified way to the US. I am guessing that this process with be difficult and even the smallest parts or pieces (sorry this just sound so insensitive, but it isn't my intent) will be DNA tested and added to any reamins they are able to find for each victim. The problem for anyone on the ground is that it may not be known they were even in the area so I'm not sure how to ID someone that there may be no family DNA on file for to try to compare it too. I suspect this might be way they have only said 7 victims. They know 100% who was on the plane so they can say that those are no longer with us and it seems like another victims may have been easy to ID so possibly just gravely injured from debirs or from being burned, but still recognizable with an ID on them.
Of course I hope that there really are no other casualties, but for the level of that fireball and the busy road with just about zero chance for anyone on the ground to move or avoid what was coming, I just don't know.. it seems more likely that others who were in the immediate area are not going to easily be ID'd due to what likely happened to their body. This is why I asked about missing persons reports. If they have missing people who could be in that area that night, I think they would get DNA from a close relative for comparative purposes. It might be all they can do to try to ID any remains that don't belong to know the known victims.

Thank you, that was helpful. I agree that missing person reports will be hard to pinpoint and match to victims. They may have to turn to genetic genealogy to potentially ID any victims who don't match any known missing persons.

 

[Angelcat13]

To follow up on my previous post, my friend checked her ring cam, it didn't get anything, motion sensored and facing the wrong way. However, my contractor called me this morning. One of his workers was driving in the area at the time, and their truck ended up kinda involved. The worker is traumatized, but physically okay. The truck is with the FBI, because it has debris and human remains in it. He sent me a video, but I haven't watched it yet. He warned me that it's very graphic. His worker is now in the care of a psychiatrist after what he saw. He is a good guy, here on a green card from Italy, excellent worker and person. He also said that there seems to be a lot of casualties that haven't been announced, but MOO, second hand info.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all, unfortunately, to see the number of casualties rise. I have honestly been amazed at the low number so far.

 

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[Seattle1]

As a fearful flyer I can't tell you how many self help books and videos I have looked at. "Planes don't just fall from the sky" is one of the most common phrases. They can glide, the air is like jello, etc.....this video footage is terrifying. It's like some lever got stuck in a straight down position!

^^BBM

Respectfully, this is not the case (to glide) when a jet is only airborne for 60 seconds.

At take-off, a plane is the heaviest it will ever be. Power is pushed all the way forward but the plane is going slow and doesn't actually start to accelerate until it reaches higher altitude.

Here, in those first seconds as the Learjet was starting to climb, it would be bringing up the landing gear, retracting the wings, and the plane climbing, preparing to become more aerodynamic (enabled to "glide") as described by OP but this is not possible without first, sufficient altitude.

When a stall occurs-- as likely occurred here, the flow of air over the wing is disrupted and the wing loses lift. This plane did not have enough altitude when it stalled and why we see the plane immediately going nose down nose first.

To be clear, at only 60 seconds airborne, the plane had insufficient altitude or chance to recover from the nose dive.

No information available if/why this plane stalled. If I had to guess-- they lost an engine but that's only a guess. MOO

 

[cujenn81]

I don't mean to be indelicate, but one of the news articles said that remains of those on the plane will be returned to their families in Mexico. And of course, the gruesome scene of body parts on cars and in the streets. I'd initially assumed the body parts were from victims on the ground and no recognizable parts of those on the plane would remain after the plane's impact, but maybe I'm wrong? Can anyone with better knowledgeable help clear this up for me? Will there likely be remains from those on the plane to return to their families, and would they likely be the same remains seen on the streets and cars?

Idk I’ve wondered about that too. Because they found the black box (which is made of material that is designed to be as indestructible as possible) 8 ft deep in the ground. I hate to even think of the carnage those first responders faced upon arrival.

 

[Bounceycat]

Woman missing after Northeast Philadelphia plane crash found safe

The woman who went missing after the plane crash in Northeast Philadelphia last week has been found safe.

6abc.com

Suzanne Lee Stepp says she knows that her 47-year-old sister, Sarah, was visiting her boyfriend in Northeast Philadelphia on the night of the medical jet crash.

 

[arielilane]

@KeeleyFox29


Some positive update from scene of NE Philadelphia jet crash. Man inside Four Seasons Diner hit by piece of jet’s oxygen tank that went thru diner window is OK. Did not run this video Friday night fearing he was hurt worse. Fellow diners hit the floor.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886569344769114116

7:15 PM · Feb 3, 2025

Philadelphia plane crash debris flies through diner window, hitting customer in head

A diner near the plane crash site in Northeast Philadelphia has been evacuated after debris flew through one of the windows Friday evening.

www.fox29.com

1.31.2025

 

[Seattle1]

Injury count in Northeast Philly plane crash rises to 24, black box found

Friday’s crash of a medical transport jet in Northeast Philly killed seven people. The investigation into the cause is ongoing.

whyy.org

2/3/25

The number of people known to be injured in Friday’s plane crash in Northeast Philadelphia has risen to at least 24, officials said Monday. Four remain hospitalized, two of them in critical condition.

 

[realanastasia]

Injury count in Northeast Philly plane crash rises to 24, black box found

Friday’s crash of a medical transport jet in Northeast Philly killed seven people. The investigation into the cause is ongoing.

whyy.org

2/3/25

The number of people known to be injured in Friday’s plane crash in Northeast Philadelphia has risen to at least 24, officials said Monday. Four remain hospitalized, two of them in critical condition.

On KYW 1060 AM this morning, they played a soundbite from the cousin of one of the victims still in critical condition. She described the victim as being in a medically-induced coma with burns over 70% of her body. I believe the woman I heard is the same one this article is about: Woman Speaks Out After Philadelphia Plane Crash Leaves Cousin in Coma: ‘This Is a Tragedy'

 

[enter_a_name]

^^BBM

Respectfully, this is not the case (to glide) when a jet is only airborne for 60 seconds.

At take-off, a plane is the heaviest it will ever be. Power is pushed all the way forward but the plane is going slow and doesn't actually start to accelerate until it reaches higher altitude.

Here, in those first seconds as the Learjet was starting to climb, it would be bringing up the landing gear, retracting the wings, and the plane climbing, preparing to become more aerodynamic (enabled to "glide") as described by OP but this is not possible without first, sufficient altitude.

When a stall occurs-- as likely occurred here, the flow of air over the wing is disrupted and the wing loses lift. This plane did not have enough altitude when it stalled and why we see the plane immediately going nose down nose first.

To be clear, at only 60 seconds airborne, the plane had insufficient altitude or chance to recover from the nose dive.

No information available if/why this plane stalled. If I had to guess-- they lost an engine but that's only a guess. MOO

You summed up this perfectly. Takeoffs and landings are the most dangerous portions of air travel. Although there have been some concerning accidents in the last week, airplanes are mostly safe!

 

[airportwoman]

I am no expert on this so this is just my best guess so IMO only.

I know the military has a dedicated group of people that recover and return remains from even WW2, the Korean War, and Vietnam. It is a tedious process and even if its just a bone, they will ensure it is returned in a dignified way to the US. I am guessing that this process with be difficult and even the smallest parts or pieces (sorry this just sound so insensitive, but it isn't my intent) will be DNA tested and added to any reamins they are able to find for each victim. The problem for anyone on the ground is that it may not be known they were even in the area so I'm not sure how to ID someone that there may be no family DNA on file for to try to compare it too. I suspect this might be way they have only said 7 victims. They know 100% who was on the plane so they can say that those are no longer with us and it seems like another victims may have been easy to ID so possibly just gravely injured from debirs or from being burned, but still recognizable with an ID on them.
Of course I hope that there really are no other casualties, but for the level of that fireball and the busy road with just about zero chance for anyone on the ground to move or avoid what was coming, I just don't know.. it seems more likely that others who were in the immediate area are not going to easily be ID'd due to what likely happened to their body. This is why I asked about missing persons reports. If they have missing people who could be in that area that night, I think they would get DNA from a close relative for comparative purposes. It might be all they can do to try to ID any remains that don't belong to know the known victims.

The people who are still working on identifying 9/11 victims would also be helpful in a situation like this.

 

[airportwoman]

I know! When i saw the first Ring camera footage I thought it looked like a meteor.

I thought the same thing, right down to the huge explosion on impact.