GUILTY PA - Tahjir Smith, 4, beaten & scalded to death, spilled cereal, Willow Grove, 23 Jan 2018 *Arrests*
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06/17/2019 JURY TRIAL - Both!Bumping up again - @SeesSeas - probably nothing new, eh?
Still shows 6/17 as trial date - or both? Or just Smith? TIA!
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Smith, Lisa
CP-46-CR-0001628-2018 Proc Status: Awaiting Trial DC No: OTN:U5471443
Last Action: Miscellaneous Hearing Last Action Date: 08/02/2018
Next Action: Jury Trial Next Action Date: 06/17/2019
CP-46-CR-0003106-2018 Proc Status: Awaiting Trial DC No: OTN:U5717294
Last Action: Miscellaneous Hearing Last Action Date: 08/02/2018
Next Action: Jury Trial Next Action Date: 06/17/2019
King, Keiff Devine
CP-46-CR-0001627-2018 Proc Status: Awaiting Trial DC No: OTN:U5471362
Last Action: Miscellaneous Hearing Last Action Date: 10/01/2018 Last Action Room:
Next Action: Jury Trial Next Action Date: 06/17/2019
CP-46-CR-0003107-2018 Proc Status: Awaiting Trial DC No: OTN:U5717320
Last Action: Miscellaneous Hearing Last Action Date: 08/02/2018
Next Action: Jury Trial Next Action Date: 06/17/2019
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Okay - thanks (again) SeesSeas! 
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Monday, June 17th:
*Trial set to begin for both (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial to start 6/17 thru 6/19/19.
*Trial set to begin for both (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial to start 6/17 thru 6/19/19.
Trial Begins For Couple Accused Of Beating To Death 4-Year-Old Boy Over Spilled Cereal
June 17, 2019
WILLOW GROVE, Pa. (CBS) – The trial begins Monday for a Montgomery County couple accused of murdering a 4-year-old boy. Lisa Smith and her boyfriend Keiff King are accused of beating Smith’s son, Tahjir, to death after he spilled his cereal.
[...]
Jury seated for trial of Abington couple accused in child's death
June 17, 2019
NORRISTOWN — A jury has been seated in Montgomery County Court for the trial of the mother of a 4-year-old Abington boy accused along with her boyfriend of taking part in the boy’s fatal beating after he spilled his cereal.
Seven men and five women were selected on Monday to weigh the fates of Lisa Smith and her boyfriend Keiff Devine King, who are accused in connection with the Jan. 22, 2018, death of Smith’s son, Tahjir.
Four alternate jurors — two men and two women — also were selected for the trial. Alternate jurors listen to all testimony but only become a member of the deliberating panel if any of the 12 primary jurors can no longer serve.
Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday morning. Prosecutors and defense lawyers will then make opening statements to the jurors.
[...]
June 17, 2019
WILLOW GROVE, Pa. (CBS) – The trial begins Monday for a Montgomery County couple accused of murdering a 4-year-old boy. Lisa Smith and her boyfriend Keiff King are accused of beating Smith’s son, Tahjir, to death after he spilled his cereal.
[...]
Jury seated for trial of Abington couple accused in child's death
June 17, 2019
NORRISTOWN — A jury has been seated in Montgomery County Court for the trial of the mother of a 4-year-old Abington boy accused along with her boyfriend of taking part in the boy’s fatal beating after he spilled his cereal.
Seven men and five women were selected on Monday to weigh the fates of Lisa Smith and her boyfriend Keiff Devine King, who are accused in connection with the Jan. 22, 2018, death of Smith’s son, Tahjir.
Four alternate jurors — two men and two women — also were selected for the trial. Alternate jurors listen to all testimony but only become a member of the deliberating panel if any of the 12 primary jurors can no longer serve.
Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday morning. Prosecutors and defense lawyers will then make opening statements to the jurors.
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Tuesday, June 18th:
*Trial begins (Day 1) (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial started 6/17 with jury selection and will run thru 6/19/19.
6/17/19 Day 1: Jury selected: Seven men & five women. Four alternate jurors (two men & two women).
Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday (6/18) morning. Prosecutors and defense lawyers will then make opening statements to the jurors.
*Trial begins (Day 1) (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial started 6/17 with jury selection and will run thru 6/19/19.
6/17/19 Day 1: Jury selected: Seven men & five women. Four alternate jurors (two men & two women).
Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday (6/18) morning. Prosecutors and defense lawyers will then make opening statements to the jurors.
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Wednesday, June 19th:
*Trial begins (Day 2) (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial to start 6/17 with jury selection & trial will run thru 6/19/19. Jurors: 7 men & 5 women; alternates: 2 men & 2 women).
6/17/19 Day 1: Seven men & five women. Four alternate jurors (two men & two women). Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday (6/18) morning. Prosecutors and defense lawyers will then make opening statements to the jurors.
6/18/19 Day 2: No info yet. Trial continues on 6/19.
*Trial begins (Day 2) (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial to start 6/17 with jury selection & trial will run thru 6/19/19. Jurors: 7 men & 5 women; alternates: 2 men & 2 women).
6/17/19 Day 1: Seven men & five women. Four alternate jurors (two men & two women). Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday (6/18) morning. Prosecutors and defense lawyers will then make opening statements to the jurors.
6/18/19 Day 2: No info yet. Trial continues on 6/19.
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just got this in my google alert,
Boy, 4, was beaten to death for spilling his cereal, police say. Now, his mother and her boyfriend are on trial for murder.
When 4-year-old Tahjir Smith spilled his cereal on a January morning last year, prosecutors say, his mother and her boyfriend beat him to death.
On Tuesday, in a Norristown courtroom, the lawyers described for a jury the last terrifying moments of the boy’s life. They said the couple beat him about the head and body with their hands and a sandal until he fell unconscious in their Abington home, and then put him in a shower and ran scalding water over his body.
[.....]
Lawyers for Smith and King said the couple were under stress at the time and did not intend to kill Tahjir.
“An outcome does not equal intent,” said Smith’s public defender, Carrie Allman. “Ms. Smith did not intend to kill her child.”
[.....]
Prosecutors said Tahjir’s death was the culmination of a long pattern of abuse. In fact, they said, on the night of the child’s death, under questioning by Abington police, his mother confessed.
Boy, 4, was beaten to death for spilling his cereal, police say. Now, his mother and her boyfriend are on trial for murder.
When 4-year-old Tahjir Smith spilled his cereal on a January morning last year, prosecutors say, his mother and her boyfriend beat him to death.
On Tuesday, in a Norristown courtroom, the lawyers described for a jury the last terrifying moments of the boy’s life. They said the couple beat him about the head and body with their hands and a sandal until he fell unconscious in their Abington home, and then put him in a shower and ran scalding water over his body.
[.....]
Lawyers for Smith and King said the couple were under stress at the time and did not intend to kill Tahjir.
“An outcome does not equal intent,” said Smith’s public defender, Carrie Allman. “Ms. Smith did not intend to kill her child.”
[.....]
Prosecutors said Tahjir’s death was the culmination of a long pattern of abuse. In fact, they said, on the night of the child’s death, under questioning by Abington police, his mother confessed.
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Thursday, June 10th:
*Trial continues (Day 3) (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial started 6/17 with jury selection & trial will run thru 6/19/19. Jurors: 7 men & 5 women; alternates: 2 men & 2 women).
6/17/19 Jury Selection: Seven men & five women. Four alternate jurors (two men & two women). Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday (6/18) morning.
6/18/19 Day 1 of trial: Opening statements done. State witness: Forensic pathologist Ian Hood. Trial continues on 6/19.
6/19/19 Day 2: no info yet. Trial continues on 6/20.
*Trial continues (Day 3) (@ ET) Hearing – PA – Tahjir Smith (4) (Jan. 22, 2018, Willow Grove; beaten for spilling cereal) – *Lisa Smith (19) “mom” & *Keiff Devine King (26) BF charged with 1st & 3rd degree murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, aggravated assault & child endangerment. No bail for both.
Trial started 6/17 with jury selection & trial will run thru 6/19/19. Jurors: 7 men & 5 women; alternates: 2 men & 2 women).
6/17/19 Jury Selection: Seven men & five women. Four alternate jurors (two men & two women). Judge Risa Vetri Ferman, who will preside over the trial, will give the jurors opening instructions on Tuesday (6/18) morning.
6/18/19 Day 1 of trial: Opening statements done. State witness: Forensic pathologist Ian Hood. Trial continues on 6/19.
6/19/19 Day 2: no info yet. Trial continues on 6/20.
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Got this article in my google alert - but of course I can't access it over here. Maybe there is "something" in there that will tell us - "what" is going on in this trial??
Jurors view flip flop allegedly used by Abington couple to fatally beat child
If someone could give a 10% synopsis - and "which" day is this of trial?
TIA!
Jurors view flip flop allegedly used by Abington couple to fatally beat child
If someone could give a 10% synopsis - and "which" day is this of trial?
TIA!
I can't access the article either. . . because I have an 'a d b l o c k e r'.Got this article in my google alert - but of course I can't access it over here. Maybe there is "something" in there that will tell us - "what" is going on in this trial??
Jurors view flip flop allegedly used by Abington couple to fatally beat child
If someone could give a 10% synopsis - and "which" day is this of trial?
TIA!
But I noticed (in the fuzzy webpage) that there were twitter posts from this news link:
Carl Hessler Jr. (@MontcoCourtNews) | Twitter
Here are the twitter posts so far this morning:
Carl Hessler Jr. @MontcoCourtNews 30m30 minutes ago
Will They or Won't They? We could find out today if accused #Abington child abusers Lisa Smith & Keiff Devine King testify in own defense at #MontcoPa #trial for alleged roles in fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son, Tahjir.
Carl Hessler Jr. @MontcoCourtNews 2h2 hours ago
#MontcoPa #Trial - Meanwhile lawyer for Keiff King argued King did not intend to kill his girlfriend Lisa Smith's 4 yo son during alleged beating, suggested jurors consider lesser charge of manslaughter, which is a death that results from reckless or grossly negligent conduct.
Carl Hessler Jr. @MontcoCourtNews 2h2 hours ago
#MontcoPa #Trial - Lawyer for accused child abuser Lisa Smith, 20, appeared to try to shift bulk of blame for fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son to Smith's boyfriend Keiff King, 27 Some witnesses testified they saw injuries on child only after Smith began relationship with King.
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Thanks - I'll go to the tweeter account & get caught up!
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Here's what is happening now:
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30m30 minutes ago
Keiff Devine King, #Abington man accused of role in fatal beating of 4 yo old boy, just informed #MontcoPa judge he has decided not to testify at his #trial
Lisa T. Smith, #Abington woman accused of role in fatal beating of her 4 yo son Tahjir, just informed #MontcoPa judge she decided not to testify at her #trial
Lisa Smith’s Lawyer Carrie Allman informed Judge she will call one witness on behalf of Smith after which lawyers will give closing arguments at #MontcoPa #trial. Things moving quickly now. Jury likely to begin deliberations this afternoon
Carl Hessler Jr. (@MontcoCourtNews) | Twitter
Carl Hessler Jr.
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30m30 minutes ago
Keiff Devine King, #Abington man accused of role in fatal beating of 4 yo old boy, just informed #MontcoPa judge he has decided not to testify at his #trial
Lisa T. Smith, #Abington woman accused of role in fatal beating of her 4 yo son Tahjir, just informed #MontcoPa judge she decided not to testify at her #trial
Lisa Smith’s Lawyer Carrie Allman informed Judge she will call one witness on behalf of Smith after which lawyers will give closing arguments at #MontcoPa #trial. Things moving quickly now. Jury likely to begin deliberations this afternoon
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For June 19th:
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Jun 19
Carl Hessler Jr. Retweeted Carl Hessler Jr.
Here's your update from #MontcoPa #Court #trial of Lisa Smith & Keiff King, accused of roles in the Jan. 2018 beating death of Smith's 4 yo son Tahjir.
Testimony resumes later this morning. Check back here for the latest developments!
#Trial continuing today for Keiff King & Lisa Smith #Abington couple accused of taking part in fatal beating of Smith’s 4 yo son Tahjir. Prosecutors calling witnesses who testified they saw previous signs of abuse to the child.
A witness testified in #MontcoPa #Court that she observed previous injuries to 4 yo Tahjir Smith between June 2017 & Jan. 2018 & confronted child's mother Lisa Smith about them. Witness: "She said it was a rug burn. She said she was sorry and she wasn't going to do it again."
Witness told #MontcoPa jury that she also observed bruises to 4 yo Tahjir Smith's back & eyes. "I saw an injury on his back...and a healing black eye," woman told jury at trial of Lisa Smith & Keiff King, accused of roles in Jan. 2018 fatal beating of Tahjir. #Court Testimony
VIDEO: Lisa Smith & Keiff King, #Abington couple accused of roles in beating death of Smith’s 4 yo son Tahjir, do not respond to reporter’s questions as the 2nd day of testimony begins at their #MontcoPa trial
TODAY IN #MontcoPa #Court: Wearing black, Latex, protective gloves, jurors carefully examined the blue “flip flop,” or sandal, that prosecutors alleged an #Abington woman & her boyfriend used as an instrument of punishment during the fatal beating of the woman’s 4-year-old son.
The “Levi’s sandal” was found on the kitchen floor of the #Abington home shared by Lisa Smith & her boyfriend Keiff Devine King during the investigation into Jan. 22, 2018, death of Smith’s son, Tahjir, detectives testified.
Each #MontcoPa juror inspected “waffling pattern” on the sole of the flip flop, which prosecutors alleged matched characteristics found on 4 yo Tahjir Smith's buttocks during an autopsy.
Lisa Smith, Tahjir's mother, & her boyfriend Keiff King on #trial for alleged fatal beating
#MontcoPa Detective Todd Richard testified Keiff King, during an interview, admitted he “whacked” 4 yo Tahjir Smith with the flip flop during a discipline session after the boy spilled his cereal. “He knew it was butt whooping time,” King allegedly stated, according to Richard.
Keiff King allegedly also admitted to striking 4 yo Tahjir Smith with a belt several months before the 2018 fatal beating. “I established the structure in the house. I brought the sternness,” King allegedly told #MontcoPa detectives, according to #trial testimony.
When #MontcoPa detectives asked Keiff Devine King why he struck 4 yo Tahjir Smith with a flip flop, King allegedly replied, “Tahjir would no longer respond to being hit with a hand.”
#Trial testimony
King charged with homicide for alleged role in child's fatal beating
Flip flop, "Levi's sandal," becomes key piece of evidence at #MontcoPa #trial of #Abington couple accused of roles in fatal beating of 4-year-old boy.
Morning of June 20th:
The #MontcoPa #trial for Keiff Devine King, 27, & Lisa Smith, 20, resumes this morning. The #Abington pair face homicide related charges for alleged roles in fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son, Tahjir. Prosecutors could be close to wrapping up. Defense then takes center stage
Keiff Devine King & Lisa Smith have not revealed if they will testify at their #MontcoPa #trial for alleged roles in fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son Tahjir. The defense stage of the trial could begin as early as today, Stay connected here for the very latest developments.
link: Carl Hessler Jr. (@MontcoCourtNews) | Twitter
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Carl Hessler Jr. Retweeted Carl Hessler Jr.
Here's your update from #MontcoPa #Court #trial of Lisa Smith & Keiff King, accused of roles in the Jan. 2018 beating death of Smith's 4 yo son Tahjir.
Testimony resumes later this morning. Check back here for the latest developments!
#Trial continuing today for Keiff King & Lisa Smith #Abington couple accused of taking part in fatal beating of Smith’s 4 yo son Tahjir. Prosecutors calling witnesses who testified they saw previous signs of abuse to the child.
A witness testified in #MontcoPa #Court that she observed previous injuries to 4 yo Tahjir Smith between June 2017 & Jan. 2018 & confronted child's mother Lisa Smith about them. Witness: "She said it was a rug burn. She said she was sorry and she wasn't going to do it again."
Witness told #MontcoPa jury that she also observed bruises to 4 yo Tahjir Smith's back & eyes. "I saw an injury on his back...and a healing black eye," woman told jury at trial of Lisa Smith & Keiff King, accused of roles in Jan. 2018 fatal beating of Tahjir. #Court Testimony
VIDEO: Lisa Smith & Keiff King, #Abington couple accused of roles in beating death of Smith’s 4 yo son Tahjir, do not respond to reporter’s questions as the 2nd day of testimony begins at their #MontcoPa trial
TODAY IN #MontcoPa #Court: Wearing black, Latex, protective gloves, jurors carefully examined the blue “flip flop,” or sandal, that prosecutors alleged an #Abington woman & her boyfriend used as an instrument of punishment during the fatal beating of the woman’s 4-year-old son.
The “Levi’s sandal” was found on the kitchen floor of the #Abington home shared by Lisa Smith & her boyfriend Keiff Devine King during the investigation into Jan. 22, 2018, death of Smith’s son, Tahjir, detectives testified.
Each #MontcoPa juror inspected “waffling pattern” on the sole of the flip flop, which prosecutors alleged matched characteristics found on 4 yo Tahjir Smith's buttocks during an autopsy.
Lisa Smith, Tahjir's mother, & her boyfriend Keiff King on #trial for alleged fatal beating
#MontcoPa Detective Todd Richard testified Keiff King, during an interview, admitted he “whacked” 4 yo Tahjir Smith with the flip flop during a discipline session after the boy spilled his cereal. “He knew it was butt whooping time,” King allegedly stated, according to Richard.
Keiff King allegedly also admitted to striking 4 yo Tahjir Smith with a belt several months before the 2018 fatal beating. “I established the structure in the house. I brought the sternness,” King allegedly told #MontcoPa detectives, according to #trial testimony.
When #MontcoPa detectives asked Keiff Devine King why he struck 4 yo Tahjir Smith with a flip flop, King allegedly replied, “Tahjir would no longer respond to being hit with a hand.”
#Trial testimony
King charged with homicide for alleged role in child's fatal beating
Flip flop, "Levi's sandal," becomes key piece of evidence at #MontcoPa #trial of #Abington couple accused of roles in fatal beating of 4-year-old boy.
Morning of June 20th:
The #MontcoPa #trial for Keiff Devine King, 27, & Lisa Smith, 20, resumes this morning. The #Abington pair face homicide related charges for alleged roles in fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son, Tahjir. Prosecutors could be close to wrapping up. Defense then takes center stage
Keiff Devine King & Lisa Smith have not revealed if they will testify at their #MontcoPa #trial for alleged roles in fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son Tahjir. The defense stage of the trial could begin as early as today, Stay connected here for the very latest developments.
link: Carl Hessler Jr. (@MontcoCourtNews) | Twitter
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Defense lawyer Francis Genovese has completed his closing argument to #MontcoPa jury on behalf of Keiff Devine King who is accused of role in fatal beating of 4 yo #Abington boy. He argued King's alleged crime is more akin to manslaughter & not murder.
"He had no specific intent to kill," defense lawyer Francis Genovese argued to #MontcoPa jury on behalf of Keiff Devine King, asking jury to acquit King of 1st & 3rd degree murder charges in fatal beating of the 4 yo son of his girlfriend. #Trial closing arguments.
VIDEO: Keiff Devine King is escorted from #MontcoPa Court after his lawyer presented closing argument to jury. King, accused of role in fatal beating of 4 yo boy, declines to comment. His fate will soon be in hands of jury.
I guess the defense didn't call any witnesses - at least it wasn't tweeted.
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Defense lawyer Francis Genovese has completed his closing argument to #MontcoPa jury on behalf of Keiff Devine King who is accused of role in fatal beating of 4 yo #Abington boy. He argued King's alleged crime is more akin to manslaughter & not murder.
"He had no specific intent to kill," defense lawyer Francis Genovese argued to #MontcoPa jury on behalf of Keiff Devine King, asking jury to acquit King of 1st & 3rd degree murder charges in fatal beating of the 4 yo son of his girlfriend. #Trial closing arguments.
VIDEO: Keiff Devine King is escorted from #MontcoPa Court after his lawyer presented closing argument to jury. King, accused of role in fatal beating of 4 yo boy, declines to comment. His fate will soon be in hands of jury.
I guess the defense didn't call any witnesses - at least it wasn't tweeted.
Verdict Watch
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#MontcoPa jury has begun deliberating fates of Keiff King & Lisa Smith, #Abington couple accused of roles in the fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son, Tahjir.
#Verdict Watch will continue into the evening. Stay connected here for latest developments.
4:53 PM - 20 Jun 2019
Carl Hessler Jr. (@MontcoCourtNews) | Twitter
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#MontcoPa jury has begun deliberating fates of Keiff King & Lisa Smith, #Abington couple accused of roles in the fatal beating of Smith's 4 yo son, Tahjir.
#Verdict Watch will continue into the evening. Stay connected here for latest developments.
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They were "under stress" and "didn't mean to kill him". So, beating a child and scalding him is perfectly understandable. After all, the FOUR YEAR OLD did SPILL CEREAL!!!!
Geez, didn't these folks have a dog? Seriously...what is with people? Put them both in jail.
Geez, didn't these folks have a dog? Seriously...what is with people? Put them both in jail.
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