GUILTY PA - Timothy Piazza, 19, Dies In Penn State Frat Hazing, 2 Feb 2017 *arrests*

[ninij9]

Let's not paint all sororities and fraternities as the 'bad guys' on all college campuses.

The Pedo state crimes were not associated with either. It was the football $$$$$$$$ and the absolute worship of Joe Paterno as some deity for winning football games.

And now we see a Pedo State Trainer: gets off scott free: http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/05/penn_state_football_trainer_ti.html

Joe's son is now on the BOR...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...elected-penn-states-board-trustees/101342438/

IMO... that is sick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hazing_deaths_in_the_United_States

It's just that I find their existence useless. It continues the elitism that the clicks in high school started. Personally I can't see any reason why institutions of high learning need to have these exclusive clubs. I'm not knocking anyone's positive experiences with Greek life. I'm not daft enough to call all of them evil, or bad. M sure some good things have resulted from these organisations. But they should be banned from colleges. Way too many hazings, raped etc are associated with their existence.

I would never, ever allow my child to join one, nor socialize at one on my dime. Kids should grow up. Go to school to learn life skills. Not play grand-Poobah in their micro mini world at college. Funnel drinking, beer pong and shot gunning has never appeared on any resume I ever filled out. Jmo. Moo.

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[zencompass]

Great points, as usual, ninij9 !

Students today are quite adept at networking and don't "need" to belong to fraternities.

The majority of students in the "mansion-like" frat houses at Penn come from wealthy families. The "old boys club" will always continue with or without fraternities.

Unfortunately there appears to be an element of cruelty in these hazings we have seen time and time again. I agree that there are many good points with fraternities, including fundraising. However, Tim is not the first person to lose his life during a hazing and as this is part of fraternity life, I see no reason to continue with them.

Many times the Alumni are present at these hazings. That has always made me wonder why the cameras were "off" in the basement. Perhaps Alumni were there and did not want to be recorded. This is my opinion and of course we will never know because there is no footage of the basement activities that evening.

Students charged with hazing incidents have remarkably had wealthy parents with top notch lawyers to get them off.

I believe this case will be different. The amount of evidence the police have gathered, coupled with the video footage, the texts which the students did not manage to delete, as well as the impressive amount of charges will make a difference.

I sincerely hope and pray all of this makes a difference.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Penn State student tells Robin Roberts how he was ATTACKED by fraternity brothers when he tried to help dying pledge - as eight students charged with manslaughter appear in court

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...acked-helping-dying-pledge.html#ixzz4gUxMc5vA

 

[zencompass]

Thanks so much, Blondie in Spokane for this.

I also read the following concerning the GMA interview. I know this is standard but I am very glad that their passports will be surrendered:

"No pleas were entered and bail was set at $100,000 ROR (release on your own recognizance), the district attorney said. They are prohibited from having alcohol and non-prescription drugs, cannot leave their home state without express permission from the judge and must surrender their passports, the district attorney said. "



http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-frat-brother-pleas-call-911-unconscious/story?id=47254798

 

[zencompass]

This article concerns other lawsuits against perpetrators of hazings which resulted in the death of a student:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...h-hazing-prosecutions-difficult-to-build.html

 

[zencompass]

Although there were convictions, plea deals were accepted during the case of David Bogenberger. Unfortunately no one did any jail time.

"Bogenberger, a 19-year-old Palatine High School graduate, died at the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity house in November 2012 after an unsanctioned party. A toxicology report showed his blood-alcohol content at the time of his death was 0.351 percent. The NIU chapter of Pi Kappa Alpha was closed after the incident."


http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2015/04/23/lawyer-niu-hazing-defendants-wont-face-jail-time/a4v8joh/

 

[zencompass]

77 months jail time for this hazing incident:

From the article:

"Almost exactly five years after Florida A&M University drum major Robert Champion died of injuries suffered in a hazing incident, state appeals court has upheld the manslaughter and hazing convictions of another former member of the school’s “Marching 100” band."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article115652918.html


From another article (below):

Champion's death led to the ouster of then-university President James Ammons and longtime marching-band Director Julian White; the band's suspension; and criminal charges against 15 former members of the band, including Champion's fellow drum majors.

All but four of those charged in Champion's death received sentences of community service and probation. A student leader accused of organizing the fatal hazing, Dante Martin, received the harshest sentence, a six-year prison term that his lawyers are appealing.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...obert-champion-settlement-20150918-story.html

ETA: The defense lost their appeal

 

[DatelineFan]

No, that is .4% not 40%.

The legal system uses a more scientific method for determining when a person is drunk, Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC,) the percentage of alcohol in the blood (or proportion of alcohol to blood in the body) as someone drinks. In most states, a BACof .10% is considered legally drunk.

http://www.intheknowzone.com/substance-abuse-topics/binge-drinking/blood-alcohol-concentration.html

Thanks! [emoji12]

Still, that's a A LOT of alcohol in his system.

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[zencompass]

I agree. Causes death in most instances.

 

[DatelineFan]

All of my nephews pledged Pike, as is family tradition. One of them had to be taken to the ER (by family) after a hazing incident when he was forced to become extremely intoxicated. Then, his fellow Pikes flogged him across the back, buttocks and legs with a whip until he passed out from the intense pain. Long, wide swollen whelps, too numerous to count, were bleeding. He suffered a severe migraine for the next week. Couldn't sleep on his back. Flinched when someone would get near his wounds. It was more horrific than what I have shared but he refused to allow his parents to file assault charges. We are thankful he lived.

Understanding this aspect of abusive human behavior cannot be found. My heart is filled with sorrow.

May Comfort and Peace be with Timothy Piazza's family, friends and loved ones.

I am so sorry to hear this! Besides the physical pain he suffered, I can't imagine the mental and emotional trauma! Heartbreaking.

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[zencompass]

Fraternity known as Pike :

In 2012: Northern Illinois University

"The charges stem from the death of David Bogenberger, 19, a freshman who was found dead Nov. 2 with blood-alcohol content five times the legal limit for driving. The coroner said Bogenberger died as a result of cardiac arrhythmia, with alcohol intoxication as a contributing cause."

"NIU spokesman Paul Palian said the fraternity and 31 of its members have been accused of violating the student code of conduct. Pi Kappa Alpha, known as PIKE, could forfeit its status as a student organization, and the students face penalties that could include expulsion."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/18/illinois-fraternity-hazing/1776939/

 

[frisson]

I just don't understand it all. This poor young man and his family... I can't imagine the pain.

This has been years ago , but it relates. I had a friend who wanted to join a frat. They poured alcohol down his throat regularly, daily. He was hungover and sick. He missed classes; did not do any studying bc he was too busy memorizing the "brothers' " names and birthdays and hometowns and stupid details of their stupid lives etc and had to recite them in a certain amount of time. He was too busy for class bc he was cleaning their bathrooms with a toothbrush then forced to use the toothbrush. He was paddled naked outside the "house." He made it into the frat..... and then flunked out of college.

On a side note, I wanted no part of any sorority and their antics. I just wanted to study and mind my own business. My mother didn't speak to me for four days bc I didn't join that thing.... bc that's what she did in her day..so.... How dare I make my own decisions about my life. Sorry for the rant, but I can relate. This sh}t is not going to stop until something serious is done or it all is banned. And even then I'm I'm not sure.

I hope these men are charged and don't get off with a wrist slap. Someone DIED. Not only that, but he suffered before he died. One decent person tried to help and was thrown against the wall? NO WORDS.

 

[MaryG12]

All of my nephews pledged Pike, as is family tradition. One of them had to be taken to the ER (by family) after a hazing incident when he was forced to become extremely intoxicated. Then, his fellow Pikes flogged him across the back, buttocks and legs with a whip until he passed out from the intense pain. Long, wide swollen whelps, too numerous to count, were bleeding. He suffered a severe migraine for the next week. Couldn't sleep on his back. Flinched when someone would get near his wounds. It was more horrific than what I have shared but he refused to allow his parents to file assault charges. We are thankful he lived.

Understanding this aspect of abusive human behavior cannot be found. My heart is filled with sorrow.

May Comfort and Peace be with Timothy Piazza's family, friends and loved ones.

I am sorry about your one nephew and the pain he endured - and for what - all in the name of "belonging" - the human condition is a tragic thing to begin with.

So sorry that happened to you.

 

[frisson]

I cannot edit for some reason. I meant to say that I hope they are convicted. They are apparently already charged.

 

[Samaritan]

The advisor would have been notified. I don't buy the story that he was on location and had no knowledge of what was going on, given that at least one member was concerned.

/s/

Former Fraternity member at a D1 school.

 

[neesaki]

This is beyond cruel and heartbreaking what was done to this young man. And as mentioned by others here I too believe there are some budding sociopathic criminals in this group of young men. I personally see malice in their actions, more than just mere negligence or manslaughter. Just sickening. I personally think fraternities with their gang mentality should be banned from college campuses.

 

[scapa]

It's just that I find their existence useless. It continues the elitism that the clicks in high school started. Personally I can't see any reason why institutions of high learning need to have these exclusive clubs. I'm not knocking anyone's positive experiences with Greek life. I'm not daft enough to call all of them evil, or bad. M sure some good things have resulted from these organisations. But they should be banned from colleges. Way too many hazings, raped etc are associated with their existence.

I would never, ever allow my child to join one, nor socialize at one on my dime. Kids should grow up. Go to school to learn life skills. Not play grand-Poobah in their micro mini world at college. Funnel drinking, beer pong and shot gunning has never appeared on any resume I ever filled out. Jmo. Moo.

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I agree, generally, and I too loathe frats. I did my first 2 degrees at an Ivy League uni and my friends who were in frats to sororities talked a lot about their sense of belonging, charitable work, and the contacts they were making that they felt might be important in friend and business relationships later in life.

Having said that, I worked my way through school as a lifeguard, and saw a lot of frat-related nonsense. There was at least one death during my time there, and loads of kids (young men and women) treated for alcohol poisoning and other injuries, and frats were eventually banned from Uni property. Didn't stop kids from wanting to join them, and they're still around today.

This is an awful crime. It would be nice to see Penn State lead the way on these issues, rather than reacting with their usual mix of half-measures (or doing nothing at all until their hand is forced, as with the Sandusky case).

 

[MaryG12]

I agree, generally, and I too loathe frats. I did my first 2 degrees at an Ivy League uni and my friends who were in frats to sororities talked a lot about their sense of belonging, charitable work, and the contacts they were making that they felt might be important in friend and business relationships later in life.

Respectfully snipped and BBM

Those three bolded factors can and do come from outside frats, sometimes even outside the university campus. I happen to be one of them. I do not mind saying there was no alcohol involved, no weird initiations, no hazing, or anything of that nature.

I think a lot of times what some of these college students don't get is this: it is production that has value, not "pull." Being in a fraternity or sorority guarantees nothing.

 

[TMAN2014]

I was never in a frat, but my older brother was a frat President. It is not my cup of tea what goes on in their initiations. I find no value in such cruelty, as some means of bonding. At some point, some of these leaders of these organizations have to show some common sense. I am not going to go as far as banning all frats over one group's terrible misjudgements, but my God, time to wake up! These guys should fry.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

PICTURED: The 18 Penn State students charged after fraternity pledge's death as it is revealed group spent $1200 on cases of vodka, beer and Four Loko in days before teen suffered fatal fall

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ged-fraternit-pledge-death.html#ixzz4gXdmwKlj