Identified! PA - White Haven, 'Beth Doe' & Unborn Baby 169UFPA, 16-22, Dec'76 - #1 - Evelyn Colon

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  • #81
ihadcabinfever said:
I don't think they will show you that considering her fate. The newspapers found in the suitcase was from Ny? I still think it "could" be cecila Pena. Her bus route is similar to the numbers found on her hand. Someone told me no because she was pregnant and only 14. For only being 14 she had a long travel evryday by herself hopping subways and buses back and forth to school from the Bronx to manhattan. Thats a pretty mature kid.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/107dfny.html
Circumstances of Disappearance
Detectives say Cesilia disappeared while on her way home from school. She attended St. Alphonsus Commercial High School in lower Manhattan. Everyday Cesilia would take the subway to and from school with other children. She was last seen by one of her friends at the 149th street stop on the #2 train around 3 or 4p.m. on October 6. Her routine was to travel another five stops to her normal exit at the Simpson Street Station in the Bronx. From here she would take the #5 bus to her home. But on that day, Cesilia never made it home.
Several days later, her family says they were contacted by a woman in the neighborhood who said she saw Cesilia the day she disappeared at the corner of 163rd and Southern Blvd. The witness said a local man named was holding Cesilia by the arm and she looked scared. Cesilia was never seen again.
Investigators have talked with the man and he denies ever being with Cesilia. Right now, he's serving 50 years to life in prison for murdering a young girl in New York City.

I just wonder if she wrote a different route on her hand .Maybe ,Maybe not.
 
  • #82
http://app.bishop-accountability.org/member/psearch.jsp

RiosLuis< 1973PSuedDiocesanNamed as one of 11 abusers in 2004 civil suit filed against Archdiocese Accused of 1973-1976 abuse of girl who became pregnant by him. Originally from Puerto Rico and believed to have returned there prior to birth of the baby. Current location unknown. May be dead.:eek:



New York, NY
 
  • #83
Back then, the New York Sunday News was published in tabloid format (think Boston Globe, National Enquirer) and was available throughout the country, but Law Enforcement believes that the car was travelling east to west on I-80. So maybe she was from New York - or what about New England? RI, MA, or CT?

Cesilia Pena I think would be ruled out on the height difference. LE is very sure of CCJD's height, give or take an inch, despite dismemberment, since long bones were present and the remains were very "fresh".

And as much as I wish there were a picture of her hand with the notations available, there isn't. All that is in her case file right now is a pic of the hand after it had been cleaned and fingerprints taken. The ink used in the printing is there, and the resolution is really good, but there is no evidence of the notations.

http://pennsylvaniamissing.com/
 
  • #84
Hi CCJD,

I take it from your initials, you're close to the case?

Welcome.

any other info you can share with us?
 
  • #85
http://app.bishop-accountability.org/

RiosLuis< 1973PSuedDiocesanNamed as one of 11 abusers in 2004 civil suit filed against Archdiocese Accused of 1973-1976 abuse of girl who became pregnant by him. Originally from Puerto Rico and believed to have returned there prior to birth of the baby. Current location unknown. May be dead.:eek:

here is a link to the main page. It is amazing the amount of abuse that went on.
If the pictures of her in 1976 are supposed to be taken the same year you could say her face is quite fuller .
 
  • #86
ihadcabinfever said:
http://app.bishop-accountability.org/

RiosLuis< 1973PSuedDiocesanNamed as one of 11 abusers in 2004 civil suit filed against Archdiocese Accused of 1973-1976 abuse of girl who became pregnant by him. Originally from Puerto Rico and believed to have returned there prior to birth of the baby. Current location unknown. May be dead.:eek:

here is a link to the main page. It is amazing the amount of abuse that went on.
If the pictures of her in 1976 are supposed to be taken the same year you could say her face is quite fuller .
call me slow, but I'm not getting all this you're posting.

"you could say her face is quite fuller" Who are you referring to and where's the picture? The above link was just a home page for perverted priests??

Sorry if I'm alone here!!
 
  • #87
LisainWV said:
call me slow, but I'm not getting all this you're posting.

"you could say her face is quite fuller" Who are you referring to and where's the picture? The above link was just a home page for perverted priests??

Sorry if I'm alone here!!
Cesilia Pena
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/107dfny.html


Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: September 4, 1962
Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'9; 111 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White/Hispanic female. Black hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Scar on left forearm
<LI>Clothing: When last seen Pena was wearing her parochial school uniform, which consisted of a light gray jacket; gray skirt; and a white blouse.



Circumstances of Disappearance
Detectives say Cesilia disappeared while on her way home from school. She attended St. Alphonsus Commercial High School in lower Manhattan. Everyday Cesilia would take the subway to and from school with other children. She was last seen by one of her friends at the 149th street stop on the #2 train around 3 or 4p.m. on October 6. Her routine was to travel another five stops to her normal exit at the Simpson Street Station in the Bronx. From here she would take the #5 bus to her home. But on that day, Cesilia never made it home.
Several days later, her family says they were contacted by a woman in the neighborhood who said she saw Cesilia the day she disappeared at the corner of 163rd and Southern Blvd. The witness said a local man named was holding Cesilia by the arm and she looked scared. Cesilia was never seen again.
Investigators have talked with the man and he denies ever being with Cesilia. Right now, he's serving 50 years to life in prison for murdering a young girl in New York City.

 
  • #88
LisainWV said:
Hi CCJD,

I take it from your initials, you're close to the case?

Welcome.

any other info you can share with us?
Yes Lisa, I'm who you think I am.

Forgive my being territorial, but I'm ever so thankful to Mike Rubinkam for picking up CCJD's story for the 30th Anniversary. For all the time I spent talking to Mike, it's edited to the max, but the focus is on CCJD & her daughter ...as it should be.

Decades later, murdered woman still nameless

"Beth Doe" and unborn fetus found dead along Lehigh River banks in White Haven in 1976.

By MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press Writer

WHITE HAVEN — On Dec. 20, 1976, a teenager walking along the banks of the Lehigh River outside this Pocono Mountains town made a gruesome discovery: the dismembered remains of a young woman and her full-term fetus.

Thirty years later, police are no closer to finding her killer, primarily because they are still missing a crucial bit of information.

Her name.

Try as they might, authorities haven’t come close to making an identification. And their prospects dim a little more with each passing year.

“It’s as cold as cold can be, unfortunately,” said Cpl. Thomas McAndrew, a state police detective who took over the case a year ago. “The killer’s never been caught, and never will be until we find out who she is.”

The woman was strangled, shot, dismembered and stuffed into three suitcases that were flung over a bridge along Interstate 80.

The killer was probably aiming for the Lehigh River, 300 feet below, but missed. Two of the suitcases broke open on impact, spilling the victim’s head and torso and her female fetus. The third suitcase contained the woman’s arms and legs. Her nose and ears had been cut off.

The coroner estimated she had been dead less than 24 hours.

The crime scene yielded a wealth of evidence, but little of it was useful. In addition to her remains, investigators had the suitcases, all of them the same size and missing their handles. Some body parts were wrapped in a rust-colored chenille bedspread; six soggy sections of the New York Sunday News covered her torso.

A series of letters and numbers, written in ink on the palm of her left hand, provided a tantalizing clue. But a police check of license plates and CB call signs turned up nothing.

“She haunts me, she really does,” said Nancy Monahan, the Pennsylvania director of the Doe Network, a group of amateur sleuths that seeks to attach names to unidentified bodies. “I’ve had dreams about her.”

Dreams, and questions, such as: How could a young woman, about to give birth, have simply vanished days or weeks before Christmas and no one reported her missing?

Was she someone on the margins of society — an illegal immigrant, perhaps?

Was her own family covering up for the killer, and that’s why no one came forward?

And what about that writing on her hand?

At the White Haven Police Department, where an artist’s conception of what the victim looked like hangs on a wall, Patrolman Thomas Szoke has his own theories about the case.

“My feeling is she is probably a runaway from another state and her family doesn’t know what happened to her,” he said. “Or she may have been a throwaway, where the parent says, ’You’re 15, get out.”’

The victim’s family might have even filed a missing persons report, Szoke said, but such a report, if it exists, would likely be collecting dust in a police department file cabinet somewhere.

McAndrew said he would like to exhume the body to gather DNA samples, but the process is time-consuming and expensive. And while DNA samples can be run through FBI and missing persons databases, a match would be a long shot, given the time elapsed.

“DNA testing can be used in unidentified body cases, but it is not an important tool at this time because the number of people whose DNA is on record anywhere represents a very, very small percentage of the population,” state police spokesman Jack Lewis said via e-mail.

The victim had previous dental work, and her fetus was healthy at the time of death, indicating the woman took care of herself and her unborn daughter.

For McAndrew, learning her identity would be a small way to give her some dignity.

“It’s amazing that no one has identified her, that somebody out there isn’t missing her,” he said.

The victim and her fetus are buried in a paupers cemetery several miles from where the remains were found. The tomb is marked with a simple white cross and a small granite marker that says, "Beth Doe".

Which, unless there is a miraculous break in the case, is how history will remember her.
 
  • #89
LisainWV said:
call me slow, but I'm not getting all this you're posting.

"you could say her face is quite fuller" Who are you referring to and where's the picture? The above link was just a home page for perverted priests??

Sorry if I'm alone here!!
Here's a more direct link
Scroll down to Rios, Luis (the accused priest ihadcabinfever mentioned) - he's accused of getting a girl pregnant. It states Rios returned to Puerto Rico and "may be dead" ("dead" is referring to the Rev. Rios, not to the girl).

If that doesn't work, or you want to read more, search "Rios" from the home page and there is a list of 5 articles.

ihadcabinfever, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you misunderstood that "dead" sentence. The bottom of this article states "Lopez said Friday she wants a DNA test conducted on Rios, but that might not be possible. Rios is believed dead, Zwilling said."

I'm also confused about the "you could say her face is quite fuller" statement. If this refers to Cesilia, then what is her face fuller than? Sorry, I'm just not getting what you're trying to say and I'd like to understand.

A search of that site for "St. Alphonsus Commercial High School" returns no results, nor does "St. Alphonsus Commercial". "St. Alphonsus" Manhattan returns a handfull of articles - they appeared to me to all be in states other than NY, but someone else might one to double check. Imho, Cesilia's case has no relation to Carbon County Jane (Beth) Doe, especially if the 4'9" height is correct for Cesila, and also because the man Cesila was last seen with is now serving a sentence for murdering another girl.
 
  • #90
Rios, Luis (the accused priest ihadcabinfever mentioned) - he's accused of getting a girl pregnant. It states Rios returned to Puerto Rico and "may be dead" ("dead" is referring to the Rev. Rios, not to the girl).

If that doesn't work, or you want to read more, search "Rios" from the home page and there is a list of 5 articles.

ihadcabinfever, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you misunderstood that "dead" sentence. The bottom of this article states "Lopez said Friday she wants a DNA test conducted on Rios, but that might not be possible. Rios is believed dead, Zwilling said."

I'm also confused about the "you could say her face is quite fuller" statement. If this refers to Cesilia, then what is her face fuller than? Sorry, I'm just not getting what you're trying to say and I'd like to understand.

Rios, Luis (the accused priest ihadcabinfever mentioned) - he's accused of getting a girl pregnant. It states Rios returned to Puerto Rico and "may be dead" ("dead" is referring to the Rev. Rios, not to the girl

Yes ,I was shocked at first that a girl was pregnant and rumored others ,then he returned to Puerto Rico , and I did initially thought it meant dead as in "her" .

As for the fuller face , if you look at the 3 pictures for Pena the first 2 say circa 1979 or somthing like that. So I am assuming the first 2 pictures would be school photos the first one could be 8th grade then the second one be 9th grade and then it has the age enhanced photo. The first one is slim faced and the second one is a fulller apple cheeked pic.

Also I would like to add , I have heard about abuse by the church but looking at that information is an eye opener , right?
 
  • #91
Thank You Marie
 
  • #92
CCJD

You seem to know alot about this case so I wanted to ask you if they ever thought it could have been a person that wanted a baby but could not have one and tried to steal the baby ?

I am just wondering because I was reading the story about Cindy Leeds
here
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061203/NEWS/612030418

she was in her own home but there was evidence that someone made a half hearted attempt at trying to "take " the baby so to speak.
This was Aug 27 1976 .
I was just wondering .It is such a cruel and brutal manner in which these young mothers died. It's unimaginable. Anyone that has ever experienced the end of a pregnancy can recall how vulnerable you are physically .
It leaves you to wonder if someone wanted a baby ?
Like a botched kidnapping gone wrong?
 
  • #93
We had one of those cases out here in Oct. 2005.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_384156.html

I'd actually thought of it a while back, don't think I've discussed that particular angle with LE, but I'm sure someone over 30 years had to have thought of it. But then you have to ask, wouldn't someone have reported her missing? The case was well-publicized back then, wouldn't someone have recognized her?

Unless it was someone close to her. Oh, I cooked up a whole scenario - way outside the box - probably ridiculously improbable, trying to justify why a full-term pregnant girl could disappear and nobody looked for her.

And, unfortunately, all the theories in the world - boyfriend, family member, serial killer (which I don't believe - I think this was personal) - can only go so far and then we hit a brick wall until we can somehow find out who she is.

I do think it's solvable. Maybe it'll take just trying to keep her story in the news. Or somebody finding a story about a missing girl on a microfiche in a library that isn't in newspaperarchive.com.

She'd be about 50 today, give or take. And I'm hoping whoever did this to her is not much older. 'Cause I want him/her nailed -and PA is a death penalty state. This case screams death penalty.

http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/carboncountybethdoe.html
 
  • #94
I've always felt that "Beth" (looked at your site and was so glad someone "named" her) got involved with someone, got pregnant, and left home to go with him. I'm not necessarily talking about running away, but "Mom and Dad, I'm leaving and you can't stop me." Maybe she was not in contact from that point on and they just assume she's out there doing ok. Even if they do suspect something, at what point would they report her "missing?" This may have been coupled with a "less than ideal" home life.

I also have this feeling that this "man" was quite a bit older than her.

If there was any way to zone in on some schools, there may be class mates out there who would remember her. But, where would you start?

CCJD, I agree that this was very personal and someone very close to her killed her and I say it was the baby's father.

Doe says no dna available. Is there any chance she would be exhumed for dna? her baby's dna would also provide a hint on the father.

Here's possibly a dumb question, could they tell from the baby's dna if the father was beth's father (I'm talking about incest here). That possibility has also stuck out in my mind.

Enough for now. I could type thoughts about her all night....
 
  • #95
CCJD
Do they know for sure it was black paint on the zipper? Could it have been creosoult?(spelling) the black stuff they treat railroad ties with. Was there railroad tracks near the suitcases?
I was thinking WSR
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/railroadlistAll.aspx
Warren and Saline River Railroad Moussori area.
Wisconsin & Southern

a list
WRR WRR 1 0
WRRX Waldens Ridge Railroad 1 0
WRS Western Rail Switching Inc. 4 0
WRSX Warren Railcar Service Incorporated 0 6
WRWK Providence and Worcester Railroad 4 2
WRX Western Refrigerator Line Company Termin 0 2
WS Ware Shoals RR 6 1
WSCU WSCU 0 1
WSG WSG 1 0
WSJR WSJR 1 0
WSL WSL 1 0
WSLC WSLC 2 1
WSOR Wisconsin & Southern 57 109
WSOX First Union Rail 0 2
WSPZ WSPZ 0 1
WSR Warren and Saline River Railroad 1 0
WSRHS WSRHS 1 0
WSRR WSRR 2 0
WSRY Winamac Southern 1 0
WSSB WSSB 1 0
WSSX Wedron Silica Company
 
  • #96
That reconstruction looks weird. I wish they'd make all of them look alive. Some recon's just look strange.
They either look strange or they don't fit any of the listed "Distingushing Characteristics"
 
  • #97
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/redmond_betty.html
Betty Irene Redmond
Above: Redmond, circa 1976


Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: September 26, 1976 from Pasadena, Maryland
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: August 23, 1951
Age: 25 years old
Height and Weight: 5'3, 110 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Black hair, brown eyes. Redmond may use the last name McFadden. Her nickname is Bimmy.
Medical Conditions: Redmond is required to take medication for an unspecified nervous condition.


Details of Disappearance

Redmond was last seen inside her family's Old Annapolis Road residence in Pasadena, Maryland on September 26, 1976. Her husband told authorities that she had disappeared by the time he awoke the following morning. Redmond's vehicle and her family's .22 caliber handgun were also missing from the house. ?She has never been heard from again.
Redmond's husband discovered her vehicle abandoned in the parking lot of Baltimore/Washington International Airport (BWI) shortly after her disappearance. WEIRD? Foul play is suspected in her case. She left behind two children when she vanished. Redmond's disappearance remains unsolved.



Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Maryland State Police
410-290-0050
Extension 130

CARBON COUNTY BETH DOE
Case History

On December 20, 1976 at about 4:30 p.m. a local boy made a grizzly discovery on the banks of the Lehigh River in White Haven, Carbon County.

The dismembered and mutilated remains of a young, white female and her unborn child had been stuffed into three suitcases and thrown from a bridge along Interstate 80 over the Lehigh River. Police theorize that the killer, traveling westbound on I-80, tossed the suitcases over the bridge in an attempt to throw them into the river, however, one of the suitcases landed on the banks of the river and the other two landed in a wooded area some 20 feet from the river.

The impact of the 300-foot drop broke two of the suitcases open, scattering the head, torso and fetus. The third suitcase, which remained intact, contained the arms and legs. The gender of the victim was not immediately apparent, but was determined at autopsy to be a young, white female. The fetus was recognized at the scene as that of a white female.

The dismemberment was not haphazard and was performed with a fine, serrated tool. While it was not a surgeon's type cut, an investigator was quoted as saying of the killer "he knew what he was doing". The arms, legs and head had been severed from the body. The torso was cut into two pieces. The ears and nose had been cut off and were not recovered at the scene. Some of the body parts had been wrapped in a chenille bedspread and the torso had been covered with a newspaper.



Additional Details

The three suitcases are all the same size (23" x 14" x 7 1/2"). Two of them are blue, soft vinyl with side zippers and bearing a red, white and blue stripe on one portion. The third suitcase is a blue and tan plaid with brown vinyl trim and side zipper. The handles had been cut off of the suitcases and the zippers were painted with a flat, black paint.

The chenille bedspread was cut into three pieces. It was worn and dirty but appeared to be a rust or coral color with an embroidered yellow flower with dark green and pink design.

The newspaper was determined to be six sections of the New York Sunday News, dated September 26, 1976.

Also found in the suitcases were straw and dry packing foam.

There were letters and numbers written in ink (color of ink unknown) on the palm of the left hand of the victim. While there have been different interpretations of what was actually written on the hand, almost definitely was WSR. Next to that was either a 4 or a 5. Below and to the right was either a 4 or 7. Police checked license plates and CB call signs but were unable to determine the significance of the notations. The ink would have probably lasted 8-12 hours on living flesh.

Don't ask .....i can't account for the timeline unless someone stored her in a freezer or something. That date jumped out at me and the new reconstruction is really good.
Thats so weird I never noticed that date before.What would make Redmonds husband look at the airport for the car?
 
  • #98
That date is quite a coincidence!! YOu have a good eye!!


I am confused and think I am misisng something. Redmond would have to be far along pregnant when she went missing to be thise Jane doe, correct? But the chances of the newspaper being the same date she went missing. Wow!
 
  • #99
It never mentioned that she was pregnant at the time of her dissapearance.
I just thought it was a good resemblance to the new picture of Beth Doe and then I noticed the dates.
 
  • #100
I agree that there is a resemblence.
 
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