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[JMO8778]

Maybe they had to see if JBR was what they wanted, and they decided she wasn't, so they killed her as previously planned.

not pretty enough ? :croc:

 

[Ames]

yea...same way ppl who live there are....
where does he get this 'wife' thing??? that's just made up.there was never any evidence anyone was going to take JB to be a future wife,much less a foreigner.How would they even get her out of the country...there would have been a high alert out for her,and she would have needed a passport..did the KN take that??? LOL, Nope,but the R's sure did get theirs

Yep, they SURE did!!

And I guess Hold thnks that the intruders were going to smuggle JB out of the country in a suitcase or something...or maybe an attaché. :waitasec:

 

[Ames]

Yeah, as if the only way out of the US is with a passport. Give me a break. Thats like saying drug cartels declare their imports. Dream on.

There would have been people looking for her. An Amber Alert of sorts. What were they planning to do...put her on their backs and swim across the ocean? They would have never made it out of the country with her...regardless of how they planned on doing it.

 

[JMO8778]

Maybe she got loose and screamed just as they were going to take her in blanket with tape out of the basement. So they killed her and split.

the GARROTE took time to make...it wasn't a spur of the moment decision.it would have been far easier to just leave her w/ the head wound,or just use the cord alone to strangle her.
Patsy needed to account for the marks on her neck from the shirt collar being twisted around her neck.

 

[JMO8778]

Yep, they SURE did!!

And I guess Hold thnks that the intruders were going to smuggle JB out of the country in a suitcase or something...or maybe an attaché. :waitasec:

..an adequate sized one,LOL.Oh I know,bad joke.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

HUH? What has that got to do with them taking her to the BASEMENT and feeding her pineapple...instead of taking her to the getaway car to feed her??

If it truely was 'foreign' intruders, and they did get JBR to the basement unheard, then they had to have an elaborate plan. What went on in the basement with the pineapple, size 12 underwear, blanket, tape, cord, 2nd ligature and two hours is anybodys guess, but it would probably be part of that plan.

I can certainly see the blanket, tape, and pineapple facilitating transporting a small child for days by car without stopping, though.

 

[Ames]

Maybe she got loose and screamed just as they were going to take her in blanket with tape out of the basement. So they killed her and split.

Or,

Maybe they had to see if JBR was what they wanted, and they decided she wasn't, so they killed her as previously planned.

For sure I'm going with the pineapple in the car idea, though. TY

She screamed...they panicked...and bashed in her head, and then took the time to make a garotte to choke her with? They must have not been TOO panicked to have taken the time to do all of that. If that was the case, they would have bashed in her skull..and then split.

So, JB might not have been what they were looking for in a wife? Why didn't they decide that when they first saw her in the bed? I guess she looked too much like Patsy for them. Why did they stun gun her and take her to the basement and feed her pineapple, if she was not what they wanted? They sure didn't have this thing planned out very well, did they?

So...are you agreeing with me...about the fact that they would have given her the pineapple in the car, instead of the basement? Or have you changed your mind..and NOW you are saying that they DID feed JB the pineapple in the getaway car, and brought the bowl back inside??

 

[Ames]

..an adequate sized one,LOL.Oh I know,bad joke.

LOL...that was funny!!

 

[Ames]

the GARROTE took time to make...it wasn't a spur of the moment decision.it would have been far easier to just leave her w/ the head wound,or just use the cord alone to strangle her.
Patsy needed to account for the marks on her neck from the shirt collar being twisted around her neck.

I said the exact same thing..before reading your post. I guess those intruders panicked and then caused the head wound...and were SO "panicky" that they fashioned a garotte too.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

She screamed...they panicked...and bashed in her head, and then took the time to make a garotte to choke her with? They must have not been TOO panicked to have taken the time to do all of that. If that was the case, they would have bashed in her skull..and then split.

So, JB might not have been what they were looking for in a wife? Why didn't they decide that when they first saw her in the bed? I guess she looked too much like Patsy for them. Why did they stun gun her and take her to the basement and feed her pineapple, if she was not what they wanted? They sure didn't have this thing planned out very well, did they?

So...are you agreeing with me...about the fact that they would have given her the pineapple in the car, instead of the basement? Or have you changed your mind..and NOW you are saying that they DID feed JB the pineapple in the getaway car, and brought the bowl back inside??

I'd say they made the garrote way ahead of time, probably in the afternoon. RDI says the garrote was made later after it was on her, but there's no proof of that. Since there were cord fibers found in JBR's bed, it looks like thats how they moved her down to the basement

 

[IrishMist]

I'd say they made the garrote way ahead of time, probably in the afternoon. RDI says the garrote was made later after it was on her, but there's no proof of that. Since there were cord fibers found in JBR's bed, it looks like thats how they moved her down to the basement

Her hair was tangled in the knot of the cord around her neck and the knot around the stick. This tells us that the garrote was made while it was on her.

(PMPT, paperback, pg. 42)

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Her hair was tangled in the knot of the cord around her neck and the knot around the stick. This tells us that the garrote was made while it was on her.

(PMPT, paperback, pg. 42)

Who is the 'us' in 'this tells us'? LE forensics statement or a paperback writer?

That her hair was tangled in the knots of the cord only tells us that her hair was tangled in the knots of the cord, not when or how they became tangled. On and off forcible application of the cord over time is going to draw her hair into it more and more. There's ligature cord fibers found in JBR's bed (SMF), so there's hard evidence the cord was one of the first things JBR experienced. This hard evidence contradicts RDI's portayal of cord added in the basement as staging after a manual rage strangulation, for which there is no evidence.

 

[IrishMist]

Who is the 'us' in 'this tells us'? LE forensics statement or a paperback writer?

That her hair was tangled in the knots of the cord only tells us that her hair was tangled in the knots of the cord, not when or how they became tangled. On and off forcible application of the cord over time is going to draw her hair into it more and more. There's ligature cord fibers found in JBR's bed (SMF), so there's hard evidence the cord was one of the first things JBR experienced. This hard evidence contradicts RDI's portayal of cord added in the basement as staging after a manual rage strangulation, for which there is no evidence.

That's a nice try, but the hairs are entwined in the knots themselves.

The "us" is logical thinking people that are trying to look at the facts of this case with an unbiased eye.

Hair being entwined in the knot points toward neither an intruder, nor the family members. It does, however, show US that the garrote was crafted while on her body.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That's a nice try, but the hairs are entwined in the knots themselves.

The "us" is logical thinking people that are trying to look at the facts of this case with an unbiased eye.

Hair being entwined in the knot points toward neither an intruder, nor the family members. It does, however, show US that the garrote was crafted while on her body.

Maybe the paintbrush was incorporated into the cord after it was on her, but that event didn't necessarily have to happen in the basement, as RDI repeats over and over. All the entwining could have happened in the bedroom.

'logical thinking people' are unfortunately only people with 2nd hand information, never held the garrote, or saw how her hair was entwined. Its also possible to furter entwine her hair into the cord after the garrote was on her by the twisting action on the garrote.

 

[IrishMist]

Maybe the paintbrush was incorporated into the cord after it was on her, but that event didn't necessarily have to happen in the basement, as RDI repeats over and over. All the entwining could have happened in the bedroom.

It certainly could have happened in a different room. I don't believe it did, but it could have.

'logical thinking people' are unfortunately only people with 2nd hand information, never held the garrote, or saw how her hair was entwined. Its also possible to furter entwine her hair into the cord after the garrote was on her by the twisting action on the garrote.

Yes, we all have second-hand information. Thats different from you... how?

(The same information about the hair being entwined in the knots is also in the autopsy report. The coroner held the garrote, saw how the hair was entwined, and reported it.)

 

[JMO8778]

Fibers in her bed only means there was a prior staging,IMO,and or that Patsy cut the cord there.Which would be logical since it would be helpful to see,and it appears the rest of the WC staging was done w/ the night vision goggles that JR was questioned about; one reason being the barbie gown was left there,and he said that wasn't 'supposed' to be there.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That's a nice try, but the hairs are entwined in the knots themselves.

The "us" is logical thinking people that are trying to look at the facts of this case with an unbiased eye.

Hair being entwined in the knot points toward neither an intruder, nor the family members. It does, however, show US that the garrote was crafted while on her body.

This is largely an assumption, without knowing first hand the nature of the entwining. It falls into the same category as the tape supposedly being applied after JBR was dead. RDI isn't using logic here, as you claim.

Now, on the other hand, if you can quote some LE forensics guy saying yes the entwining could only be the result of the crafting of the garrote, as opposed to, say, the twisting or wrapping of it around JBR's neck, you STILL wouldn't know if the crafting was done before or after JBR died.

So really, you'd need LE forensics to state that they concluded the garrote was crafted on an already deceased JBR, or the tape applied to an already deceased JBR, to be reasonably sure a logical process was used to come to that conclusion.

Its instead a biased eye that claims garrote and tape applied to already deceased JBR, since its the only way to support RDI. Claims not fully supported by LE forensics, thats for sure.

RDI says that IF the parents killed JBR, then the garrote and tape are staging. This is a logical error, unless you already had proof the parents did it. Lacking that proof, you'd have to determine if the garrote and tape are staging regardless of who you think killed JBR. Then you'd have to prove who did the staging. See what I mean?

 

[DeeDee249]

Yeah, as if the only way out of the US is with a passport. Give me a break. Thats like saying drug cartels declare their imports. Dream on.

But drug shipments are not alive. They don't need to breathe. A live child can't be put in a suitcase and placed in cargo hold.

 

[DeeDee249]

Maybe she got loose and screamed just as they were going to take her in blanket with tape out of the basement. So they killed her and split.

Or,

Maybe they had to see if JBR was what they wanted, and they decided she wasn't, so they killed her as previously planned.

For sure I'm going with the pineapple in the car idea, though. TY

You mean, like maybe they decided they wanted a SEVEN year-old beauty queen with blonde hair and a millionaire father who WASN'T molested? Guess they'll have to go back to the playground.

 

[JMO8778]

I can certainly see the blanket, tape, and pineapple facilitating transporting a small child for days by car without stopping, though.

The blanket came from the house..an intruder would have brought one w/ him.
The tape was said to be 3/4 inch wide...not even enough to quiet a mouse.plus,she didn't fight against the tape-clearly it was staging.
Pineapple..in the fridge,bought by Patsy,Patsy's prints on the bowl.An intruder would have had food already waiting for a road trip.
Pineapple is a fruit...as such,it spoils.IF an intruder wanted to take food from the house (which is unlikely,this would have been planned for ahead of time),then it would be something w. a more stable shelf life....like crackers or cookies or snack bars.PINEAPPLE is just silly.