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[Ames]

yes and Hold tried to make it sound silly to ask for the amt of 118,000 in cash;to a millionaire that wouldn't be a lot of money,and I think it could easily be asked for without suspicion,esp. if it's the same amt of what the bonus check was for-and for that matter,where was that check found,had it been deposited already? was it in the R's home? either way,all he had to do was say just give me the bonus amt in cash,I'm going on a trip.he was worth millions at the time,would that have really raised any eyebrows?

You are right, $118,000.00 would be "pocket change" to a millionaire. (My sister is IDI..and she argued with me about the Ramsey's being poor..LOL..she said..."They didn't have alot of money". Obviously she doesn't know diddly about this case.)

 

[coloradokares]

I will and I will let you know what he said, he is not here as I type this post, but will be home shortly. I do know that they have a computer expert that works in his office, and whenever a pedophile is arrested, they take his computer, and check for child , and this guy can take every single image that has ever been downloaded off of it, even if it has been deleted. They had to put blinds up in his office, because the images were too disturbing for the other employees.

I asked him, and he said.."all of the financial government agencies in the Treasury Department.. do have handwriting experts." IRS, Bureau of the Mint, Customs (before 9/11...now they are under Homeland Security), ATF...etc.

That still does not provide any "proof" that was the opinion of the Treasury department as claimed by Holdon. It proves they may have had experts in the Treasury department at the time. I ask again Hold on to provide the proof of his/her claim that this information was from the Treasury Department and that its valid. According to the Terms of service it is my understanding that Holdon should need to substantiate the statement, withdraw the statement or claim that it was his/her opinion that the Treasury Department made such a claim that Patsy Ramsey was NOT the author or writer of the ransom note. I await the appropriate proof of that statement so that I judge if it is opinion or a fact.

 

[Ames]

Good points. Add to it the fact that NO "foreign faction" or foreigner would use the term "Use that good old Southern common sense of yours, John."
A "foreign faction", small or otherwise, would be unaware of that slang expression, and ANY stranger writing the note would never address the parent as "John". They would use the address they began the note with:
Mr. Ramsey. The note was WAY too familiar to have been written by anyone other that PR.

Exactly, as if we are all to believe that the Small Foreign Faction and John were on a first name basis.

 

[Ames]

That still does not provide any "proof" that was the opinion of the Treasury department as claimed by Holdon. It proves they may have had experts in the Treasury department at the time. I ask again Hold on to provide the proof of his/her claim that this information was from the Treasury Department and that its valid. According to the Terms of service it is my understanding that Holdon should need to substantiate the statement, withdraw the statement or claim that it was his/her opinion that the Treasury Department made such a claim that Patsy Ramsey was NOT the author or writer of the ransom note. I await the appropriate proof of that statement so that I judge if it is opinion or a fact.

I know what you mean, even though they do have experts, I have read just about all there is to read on this handwriting expert subject, and I have never read anything about the Treasury Dept analyzing the RN, much less giving the opinion that Patsy did NOT write it.

 

[DeeDee249]

I know what you mean, even though they do have experts, I have read just about all there is to read on this handwriting expert subject, and I have never read anything about the Treasury Dept analyzing the RN, much less giving the opinion that Patsy did NOT write it.

Actually, the only place I have EVER read that is right here, in Holdon's post. And I've been studying this case for years.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Either that or they're taking advice from qualified professionals on the inside of the investigation.


"no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note."

--Richard Dusak, ABFDE, Secret Service

Anybody know what department the Secret Service belonged to?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

DeeDee rules:

Rule No. 1: Anyone who is not a US citizen is unable to use American slang.

Rule No. 2: Anyone who is not a US citizen is unaware of US slang.

Rule no. 2 1/2: 'southern common sense' is exclusively American.

Rule no. 3: Once one address is used in a ransom note, a true stranger would not change that address later in the note.

Rule no. 4: If the note uses really familiar terms, it could not have been written by a stranger.

Rule no. 5: True kidnappings are never accompanied by handwriting that is similar to one of the parents.

 

[Ames]

Anybody know what department the Secret Service belonged to?

It belongs to Homeland Security Dept. now. But, I just asked my husband and he said....(drum roll please)...the Treasury Department, until March 1, 2003.
But, that was only one person....and he must have been blind.

 

[coloradokares]

Anybody know what department the Secret Service belonged to?

Can we bypass the 20 questions game here. Until you provide proof that Department of US Treasury was involved at all and they did indeed prove as you claim that Patsy Ramsey could not have written the ransom note I fail to see how your knowledge of the US Treasury and that they may have had a handwriting expert on board proves anything but that you might know more about the US Department of the treasury than apparently most of the posters here. All this seems to suggest to me if any of that is true is that none of us know the facts of this murder at all. It is all smoke and mirrors we will never know the truth. JMHO And the next question that comes to mind is How is it that Holdontoyourhat knows what no one else seemed to know?

 

[UKGuy]

I don't understand UKGuy. Do you think IDI? I realize it was all staging. I just can't even think of a reasonable explanation why an intruder would stage anything! Why would he/she/they need to? Unless of course it is someone that lives there.

So, why would an intruder do any staging at all?

Blondieskatz,

Do you think IDI?

No, the crime presented by PR to 911 that morning was a kidnapping, this was backed up with a ransom note, but JonBenet never left her house, there was no kidnapping, instead there is a homicide, so thats a red flag.

So, why would an intruder do any staging at all?

Most intruders will stage crime-scenes e.g. create fires, disfigure bodies, dump bodies outdoors etc, mostly to remove forensic evidence that they know might link to them. In the Ramsey case nearly all the forensic evidence at the crime-scene links to the parents.


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[JMO8778]

Good points. Add to it the fact that NO "foreign faction" or foreigner would use the term "Use that good old Southern common sense of yours, John."
A "foreign faction", small or otherwise, would be unaware of that slang expression, and ANY stranger writing the note would never address the parent as "John". They would use the address they began the note with:
Mr. Ramsey. The note was WAY too familiar to have been written by anyone other that PR.

right,and I think it was done that way on purpose.
That line was the reason anyone should be able to see that Karr didn't write it,and I thought Lacy was totally inept to have ignored that.TOTALLY inept.

 

[JMO8778]

Rule no. 2 1/2: 'southern common sense' is exclusively American.

that line shows that no one outside the family could have written that note.

 

[JMO8778]

BTW,there are plenty of crimes that contain a note,not all of them kidnappings.And from what I've seen on true crime shows,the note is usually an attempt to throw evidence in another direction.(sound familiar?).
One case I saw recently was where a husband was sending threatening notes to his wife,trying to make them appear to be from a stranger.When his wife figured out HE wrote them,he killed her.WHICH I figure was what he was going to do anyway...he was just trying to give the appearance,from the threatening notes,that it was an outsider.It wasn't.And when she figured out he wrote them,he must have felt he had no choice but to go ahead and kill her right then.

 

[Toltec]

Common sense tells me to write a note....since you would have to explain why your daughter is dead in the basement.

 

[DeeDee249]

Common sense tells me to write a note....since you would have to explain why your daughter is dead in the basement.

EXACTLY. If they weren't going to be upfront about the fact that one of them killed her accidentally- this was the only way out for them. They had a dead child in the house. How did she get that way? She was killed close to the time they supposedly put her to bed. It wasn't even believable to THEM to infer that someone had come in to a locked house and just killed her with the rest of the family home. (though JR flip-flops on this; I have read him saying the house was locked, and that they never locked the house)
So they planned to make it look like a kidnapping. They wrote a note, and put in the note that if police were called JBR would be killed. They then called police, trying to make it look like she was killed because they called police. BUT they never figured on the pineapple in her stomach and the degree of rigor mortis proving she was killed BEFORE they called police.
Now, I am not claiming that there has never been a case of a kidnapped person killed because police were called.
No, the Rs absolutely planned to make it look like a kidnapping - they may have actually NOT intended to have her body found that day.
I feel they may have not figured on LE hanging around their house all day. They may have thought that the 911 call would bring police to the house, but that believing it was a kidnapping, LE would then leave to "find the kidnappers".
When LA stayed on at the house, as the hours passed, JR realized there was a real problem- a corpse in the basement. He may not have been a forensics expert, but he knew it was going to be a HORRIBLE experience to bring up his dead child at that point, and more horrible as the day progressed. He jumped at the chance to find her when it was apparent that police were staying until the Rs themselves were made to leave the house,
and they never thought they would be forced to leave the house.
He probably was relieved when Officer French couldn't figure out how to open a door and didn't find the body that morning. He thought at that point all LE would leave and then after that he could FIND the body and claim she was killed because they called police and her dead body dropped off at the house. He wouldn't have claimed to have found her in the basement.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

LE is non-prosecutorial when it comes to the R's. The Secret Service branch of the US government said PR didn't write the note. These conclusions are made by people with access to all the information, unlike you or me. This should tell you something.

The idea that LE has 'biz' with R lawyers, as suggested by SD, is ridiculous. It looks like LE just doesn't buy any of these RDI make-believe stories.

It was a brutal murder by a pedophile. Thats what the hard evidence says.

There's no brutal pedophile living at the R's.

 

[DeeDee249]

LE is non-prosecutorial when it comes to the R's. The Secret Service branch of the US government said PR didn't write the note. These conclusions are made by people with access to all the information, unlike you or me. This should tell you something.

The idea that LE has 'biz' with R lawyers, as suggested by SD, is ridiculous. It looks like LE just doesn't buy any of these RDI make-believe stories.

It was a brutal murder by a pedophile. Thats what the hard evidence says.

There's no brutal pedophile living at the R's.

Where/how did you get that info, Holdon? The Secret Service protects the President and his family. Is there an involvement on the Executive level? Just goes to show how high the R reach is. Can't imagine why the Secret Service would even get involved in this case. Though is was high-profile for sure, it is hardly the only case of it's kind.

 

[JMO8778]

And I bet the Secret Service doesn't think a foreigner wrote the note !

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Where/how did you get that info, Holdon? The Secret Service protects the President and his family. Is there an involvement on the Executive level? Just goes to show how high the R reach is. Can't imagine why the Secret Service would even get involved in this case. Though is was high-profile for sure, it is hardly the only case of it's kind.

W-i-k-i-p-e-d-i-a

"no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note."

--Richard Dusak, ABFDE, Secret Service

That the R's received special treatment is just a figment of your imagination.

 

[DeeDee249]

W-i-k-i-p-e-d-i-a

"no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note."

--Richard Dusak, ABFDE, Secret Service

That the R's received special treatment is just a figment of your imagination.

I was being sarcastic....though the special treatment DID occur, it didn't go beyond Colorado.