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[rashomon]

Wow, I'm not sure where you're coming from with this.

The RN is very specific on what JR was supposed to be doing that morning. You can probably recite everything JR was expected to do according to the RN. The RN was very thorough on the sequence of events, and was very clear on practically every point.

Why bother whether John puts the money in a "brown paper bag" or in a black plastic bag or in a brown cloth bag? According to the note, John was to be "scanned for electronic devices" anyway, so he had to hand over the bag personally to a member of the SFF stepping out of the bushes with his electronic scanning device in hand. You can't make sense out of nonsense, Holdon.
I suppose Patsy eyes fell on a brown grocery bag in the kitchen as she was writing the note ...
Or take the priceless advice "Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank". Lol, the SFF must have thought John Ramsey was an imbecile who might have tried to stuff the money into the pockets of his trousers, so he had to be especially advised to bring a suitable receptacle for the money.

jmo

 

[Littledeer]

If you want your murderous plan to backfire, start by leaving a handwritten note that you wrote at the crime scene. Then make it unnecessarily long. Then add little tidbits in the note that direct investigators to your group

Correct me if I am wrong..........so Holden. then your IDI's (NOTICE MORE THAN 1 INTRUDER, ACCORDING TO YOU), wrote the RN prior to entering the Ramsey's house, (but had it tucked somewhere on one of them).

And even you have just admitted it was unnecessarily long and added little tidbits that could direct investigators to their group.

By your own statements, you are admitting that the IDI's kidnapping had backfired. Now why the hell would they then leave a ransom note??

Don't you think it would have made more sense, after they had sexually abused JonBonet and killed her, (not necessarily in that order) to just get the hell out of the house???

Why leave a RN that you have said was long, etc. and could lead right back to them???

 

[DeeDee249]

Yeah, I know that it was alotta questions...but, would you please take the time to answer them for me...I asked YOU first.

Let's see...if I were about to take a 6 year old from her house against her will..for a long drive out of town, on a winter's night...what would I need? Hmmmm...well, first of all...I would want to get her out of the house as quickly and as quietly as possible, so I wouldn't be serving her pineapple in the basement, or at the dining room table, and I sure wouldn't sit and take the time to write a three page ransom note. If I were a kidnapper...and a killer...I would not CARE if she was hungry, or cold...I would just want to get her out of the house as quickly as possible. So, if I were the kidnapper...all I would need is the victim.

ABSOLUTELY!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, I know that it was alotta questions...but, would you please take the time to answer them for me...I asked YOU first.

Let's see...if I were about to take a 6 year old from her house against her will..for a long drive out of town, on a winter's night...what would I need? Hmmmm...well, first of all...I would want to get her out of the house as quickly and as quietly as possible, so I wouldn't be serving her pineapple in the basement, or at the dining room table, and I sure wouldn't sit and take the time to write a three page ransom note. If I were a kidnapper...and a killer...I would not CARE if she was hungry, or cold...I would just want to get her out of the house as quickly as possible. So, if I were the kidnapper...all I would need is the victim.

Really. Thats hilarious, because you'd have a 6 year old screaming, flailing her arms wildly about. Your plan wouldn't even make it to the getaway car!

Wanna try again? Maybe throw in some cord or something?

 

[DeeDee249]

Really. Thats hilarious, because you'd have a 6 year old screaming, flailing her arms wildly about. Your plan wouldn't even make it to the getaway car!

Wanna try again? Maybe throw in some cord or something?

That tape and cord wouldn't have restrained ANYONE. Your point about a screaming, flailing child though...of course the family would have heard that commotion. So taking that into account- along with the fact that the tape was never on an awake and struggling child (according to the coroner) and the cord wasn't even on both wrists- we can safely assume that that scenario never happened.
WHAT getaway car? There were still people awake; neighbors saw lights moving in the home, and took note of lights on/off that were not usually like that. 12-1 am is not really very late for many adults to be still up, even on Christmas. I go to bed 1 am EVERY night. Christmas would be no different. If there were a car, someone would have seen it; as well as REAL kidnappers not being stupid enough to have it waiting. Especially if it had to wait for the pineapple snack and clean -up, assault, murder, clean-up and staging of the body and crime scene.
A REAL kidnapping works like this: Grab kid. LEAVE.

 

[JMO8778]

Really. Thats hilarious, because you'd have a 6 year old screaming, flailing her arms wildly about. Your plan wouldn't even make it to the getaway car!

Wanna try again? Maybe throw in some cord or something?

you mean shoestring-like cord found on her?????

a man could easily grab such a small child,put one hand over her mouth and the other around her arms,hold her close and carry her out.esp. w. 2 others there.feet kicking? have one of the others grab them.

 

[Littledeer]

Deedee: Good points.

Still waiting for Holden to respond to mine.

Deedee & Ames: I know I'm just a newcomer that pops in..........

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

That tape and cord wouldn't have restrained ANYONE. Your point about a screaming, flailing child though...of course the family would have heard that commotion. So taking that into account- along with the fact that the tape was never on an awake and struggling child (according to the coroner) and the cord wasn't even on both wrists- we can safely assume that that scenario never happened.
WHAT getaway car? There were still people awake; neighbors saw lights moving in the home, and took note of lights on/off that were not usually like that. 12-1 am is not really very late for many adults to be still up, even on Christmas. I go to bed 1 am EVERY night. Christmas would be no different. If there were a car, someone would have seen it; as well as REAL kidnappers not being stupid enough to have it waiting. Especially if it had to wait for the pineapple snack and clean -up, assault, murder, clean-up and staging of the body and crime scene.
A REAL kidnapping works like this: Grab kid. LEAVE.

The coroner never said any such thing. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

A REAL kidnapping works like this: Grab kid. LEAVE.

Your generalization of 'grabbing kid' is deliberatly vague and simplistic, so it seems you're more interested in bantor than any reasoning, because anybody knows simply grabbing wouldn't work.

 

[Ames]

Why bother whether John puts the money in a "brown paper bag" or in a black plastic bag or in a brown cloth bag? According to the note, John was to be "scanned for electronic devices" anyway, so he had to hand over the bag personally to a member of the SFF stepping out of the bushes with his electronic scanning device in hand. You can't make sense out of nonsense, Holdon.
I suppose Patsy eyes fell on a brown grocery bag in the kitche as she was writing the note ...
Or take the priceless advice "Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank". Lol, the SFF must have thought John Ramsey was an imbecile who might have tried to stuff the money into the pockets of his trousers, so he had to be especially advised to bring a suitable receptacle for the money.

jmo

Yeah, or stuff the $118,000 (all in one dollar bills) in an INadequate sized attaché. Too small, with the money all hanging out the sides and stuff. They were kidnappers...why the heck should they care if the attaché was adequate or inadequate sized, just as long as they got the money. A real kidnapper couldn't have cared less what size or type the bag was.

 

[Ames]

Really. Thats hilarious, because you'd have a 6 year old screaming, flailing her arms wildly about. Your plan wouldn't even make it to the getaway car!

Wanna try again? Maybe throw in some cord or something?

Or according to YOU...some pineapple in the basement?

 

[Ames]

Really. Thats hilarious, because you'd have a 6 year old screaming, flailing her arms wildly about. Your plan wouldn't even make it to the getaway car!

Wanna try again? Maybe throw in some cord or something?

You asked the question...if I were to kidnap a child from her home, what would I need? After I asked you THESE questions....

"I am interested to find out why you think that intruders would write a handwritten ransom note at the crime scene in the first place? Do you think that it was written before or after her death? If before...then how would the intruders know exactly how long the Rams would be away? They didn't know where they were or how long they would be gone. John could have been out getting gas for all they knew, and would be back shortly...for example. And if the RN was written AFTER, then how did they know that the Rams wouldn't wake up to go to the bathroom, to get a glass of water, to check on the kids? You posted that you believe that the intruder(s) took JB to the basement to feed her pineapple, because they didn't want to chance sitting around the dining room table...and having one of the Ramsey wake up for whatever reason. So why would they take that same chance and sit around writing a a ridiculously long RN? Which brings me to my next question...WHY the ridiculously long RN?"


So, now..I have another question....what did your question to me..have to do with this post to you, and WHY haven't you answered any of my questions. Is it because you don't have the answers?

 

[JMO8778]

Your generalization of 'grabbing kid' is deliberatly vague and simplistic, so it seems you're more interested in bantor than any reasoning, because anybody knows simply grabbing wouldn't work.

yeah,gotta have that pineapple ready in the basement....
...I would roll my eyes,but they'd get stuck in the back of my head after so much of this nonsense.

 

[DeeDee249]

Your generalization of 'grabbing kid' is deliberatly vague and simplistic, so it seems you're more interested in bantor than any reasoning, because anybody knows simply grabbing wouldn't work.

Of course it was...but you know EXACTLY what I mean.

 

[JMO8778]

You asked the question...if I were to kidnap a child from her home, what would I need? After I asked you THESE questions....

"I am interested to find out why you think that intruders would write a handwritten ransom note at the crime scene in the first place? Do you think that it was written before or after her death? If before...then how would the intruders know exactly how long the Rams would be away? They didn't know where they were or how long they would be gone. John could have been out getting gas for all they knew, and would be back shortly...for example. And if the RN was written AFTER, then how did they know that the Rams wouldn't wake up to go to the bathroom, to get a glass of water, to check on the kids? You posted that you believe that the intruder(s) took JB to the basement to feed her pineapple, because they didn't want to chance sitting around the dining room table...and having one of the Ramsey wake up for whatever reason. So why would they take that same chance and sit around writing a a ridiculously long RN? Which brings me to my next question...WHY the ridiculously long RN?"


So, now..I have another question....what did your question to me..have to do with this post to you, and WHY haven't you answered any of my questions. Is it because you don't have the answers?

that's it.
In DOI,JR says the 'borgs' are the ones without the answers..but it's the other way around.There are no logical reasons to believe the IDI theory...only nonsensical ones.For one,they want us to toss away all the scientific evidence and analysis,and replace it with their flawed logic.
If they really believed what they say,they wouldn't be able to pass a basic chemistry class.

 

[Ames]

That tape and cord wouldn't have restrained ANYONE. Your point about a screaming, flailing child though...of course the family would have heard that commotion. So taking that into account- along with the fact that the tape was never on an awake and struggling child (according to the coroner) and the cord wasn't even on both wrists- we can safely assume that that scenario never happened.
WHAT getaway car? There were still people awake; neighbors saw lights moving in the home, and took note of lights on/off that were not usually like that. 12-1 am is not really very late for many adults to be still up, even on Christmas. I go to bed 1 am EVERY night. Christmas would be no different. If there were a car, someone would have seen it; as well as REAL kidnappers not being stupid enough to have it waiting. Especially if it had to wait for the pineapple snack and clean -up, assault, murder, clean-up and staging of the body and crime scene.
A REAL kidnapping works like this: Grab kid. LEAVE.

Right. Funny how those intruder's arrived in an invisible getaway car...and the neighbors dogs did NOT bark at ALL that night. The neighbor said that the dogs bark at EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY....so why not the intruders when they came and left. They even barked at the police officer that came over that morning to question the neighbor (and the officer was still in the Ramsey's yard). But...they didn't bark at the intruder(s). I guess that they were invisible too.

 

[Ames]

Deedee: Good points.

Still waiting for Holden to respond to mine.

Deedee & Ames: I know I'm just a newcomer that pops in..........

You have some great quesions Littledeer. I am still waiting for Holdon to respond to MINE too. So, don't hold your breath. That should be Holdon's hat (screen name)....Don'tholdyourbreath.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, or stuff the $118,000 (all in one dollar bills) in an INadequate sized attaché. Too small, with the money all hanging out the sides and stuff. They were kidnappers...why the heck should they care if the attaché was adequate or inadequate sized, just as long as they got the money. A real kidnapper couldn't have cared less what size or type the bag was.

I don't know what you're talking about, I think I went thru this with BC, a devout RDI, and figured 100K in 100's and 18K in 20's was a stack about 8 or 9 inches tall.

A brief case makes sense for JR to make that kind of withdrawl, and a paper bag makes sense for a drop someplace. Of course a real kidnapper cares about the bag. Whats the big deal?

 

[Ames]

yeah,gotta have that pineapple ready in the basement....
...I would roll my eyes,but they'd get stuck in the back of my head after so much of this nonsense.

LOL...that's too funny!!!

Yep, I guess that was on their checklist...

Ransom note? Check
Cord? Check
Tape? Check
Blanket? Check
Paintbrush? Check
Pineapple? Check

Don't you know that the key to being a great kidnapper...is to have a snack available to feed the victim, in the victim's basement...with the parents and her brother sleeping just feet away.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You asked the question...if I were to kidnap a child from her home, what would I need?

Now you've changed my question around. Actually, it was:

You're about to take a 6 year old from her house against her will for a long drive out of town on a winters night. What do you need?