Pastor of mega church says wife has gone away for 1 year...

[SwampMama]

The whole shabang seems more like motivational speaking and writing careers instead of real preaching or church. I can't imagine many Christians really being afraid that their weaknesses will be used against them. Serious sins maybe, but not just everyday things that humans go through. If church is so important then why weren't his kids there. Where are they?

Yep, it's all about going mega and being a rockstar preacher with a big following , ya know an "internet sensation" (to quote Ron).

As for the kids. One is apparently married, has a child and is out of the house. Now if Hope has fled and defected and oldest son has a history of teenage drug use, teenage fatherhood (aka serious rebellion) then I would think the other 2 kids will not be far behind. They may be boycotting him as well. heck, they may have fled for all we know. I feel bad for the kids. What a creepy father to have. It was obvious that he was rarely home and that his church (and his image!!) came first. I hope the kids are not dragged thru this. Ok, thats all i will say about the kids. They are innocent victims in all of this.

 

[txsvicki]

If she currently has a longterm lover I hope he steps forward and tracks her down. He would most likely know if a divorce was in the works, threats, abuse, etc. The cheating could be a lie, but hopefully she really does have someone.

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Snipped...For more information on Women of Hope Ministries (WOH) visit: http://www.hopecarpenter.com << PREPARE YOURSELF

From here: http://www.echristianstore.com/Default.aspx?tabid=4651

Where are the comments you spoke of SwampMama?

When I click the link to hopecarpenter.com, it sends me to http://www.roncarpenter.com/. Am I missing something? was it her page, and now he's put HIS page up in its place? or was this the page you were talking about? Sorry, Feeling a bit slow this morning.

 

[Gardenlady]

If she currently has a longterm lover I hope he steps forward and tracks her down. He would most likely know if a divorce was in the works, threats, abuse, etc. The cheating could be a lie, but hopefully she really does have someone.

This is what I'm hoping! I hope she's got a dozen lovers, of whatever gender, who might be decent enough to step up and give her help or places to hide!

I can't imagine how hard it might be for someone who grew up with the parental expectations hers are said to have had, and then get into an early marriage with this kind of guy with similarly high expectations, plus the pressure of having a congregation looking up to you. You must feel like you live your life under a microscope. Can't imagine how difficult the idea of something as run of the mill as divorce would be for her. To the rest of us, it looks simple - oh, just leave and get a divorce! But I'd guess that growing up, and living most of her life with these kind of expectations and scrutinies, plus the stigma of "sin", it's a lot harder mentally to "just do it".

And yeah, their kids... Wouldn't want to be them for any money in the world.

 

[Wednesday80]

"I have a feeling God is creating a monster and he don't know it,"said Ron.

He just spoke the truth right there about himself!!!
I can't listen to the man, I fear I may have a myocardial infarction if I do, but who is the "he" Ron is referring to? Certainly not an alleged, supposed omniscient God? And God would create, or allow the creation of a monster for what purpose(s)? So the person could seek God and appreciate it more?

What is this man talking about? I left faith behind a long time ago after growing up in a strict Southern Baptist culture but I know my Bible, what religion is this man preaching from? Oh wait, I know, the religion of Ron Jr.

 

[Trident]

He just spoke the truth right there about himself!!!
I can't listen to the man, I fear I may have a myocardial infarction if I do, but who is the "he" Ron is referring to? Certainly not an alleged, supposed omniscient God? And God would create, or allow the creation of a monster for what purpose(s)? So the person could seek God and appreciate it more?

What is this man talking about? I left faith behind a long time ago after growing up in a strict Southern Baptist culture but I know my Bible, what religion is this man preaching from? Oh wait, I know, the religion of Ron Jr.

I have the same problem, know the Bible well, and wondering where all this "stuff" is coming from. I listened carefully, he spoke about god, your god, and mentioned Jesus once. He left off the Christos. I wonder if he was talking about Jesus living down the road, there are plenty of those.

Religion is a strange thing, one has to know the Bible to discern the true from the false, and even then it isn't that easy.

I could go on, but I like READING here, sometimes things of value pop up.

 

[Tulessa]

Umm, Wow!! WTF?

They didn't count on WS sleuthers getting a hold of this story! RUH ROHHHH! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :loveyou:

 

[txsvicki]

Does anyone know if their church has over 10,000 local members, or are some of them online TV members? After insomnia and reading more about this, it's pretty confusing and contradictory. Hope is made out to be a wife who suddenly changed into an erratic, mess ten years ago yet she has worked, gone to many conferences, and easily carried on an alleged longterm affair. She went to therapy and had a secret completely different life for the past three years yet suddenly became so unstable and in such a state that she is isolated. Is this woman who wanted out of a bad marriage or a mentally ill person? There's talk of marriage counseling but no talk of previos medication and treatment. It's not making sense.

 

[prima.facie]

Snipped...For more information on Women of Hope Ministries (WOH) visit: http://www.hopecarpenter.com << PREPARE YOURSELF

From here: http://www.echristianstore.com/Default.aspx?tabid=4651

Where are the comments you spoke of SwampMama?

wow he is literally removing her from his life. anything has her name completely removed and that he is even married to her ever. shocked her twitter is still active!!

WHAT is going on? this is the weirdest thing ive come across in a long time!!

 

[prima.facie]

The whole shabang seems more like motivational speaking and writing careers instead of real preaching or church. I can't imagine many Christians really being afraid that their weaknesses will be used against them. Serious sins maybe, but not just everyday things that humans go through. If church is so important then why weren't his kids there. Where are they?

im not sure if I can even talk about this...
but the married child is behaving as if nothing has happened (the appearance on social media) and even posted a picture recently of her kid (the grandchild) sitting on the stage of the church......all after mom has been "sent away".

 

[prima.facie]

The whole shabang seems more like motivational speaking and writing careers instead of real preaching or church. I can't imagine many Christians really being afraid that their weaknesses will be used against them. Serious sins maybe, but not just everyday things that humans go through. If church is so important then why weren't his kids there. Where are they?

im not sure if I can even talk about this...
but the married child is behaving as if nothing has happened and even posted a picture recently of her kid (the grandchild) sitting on the stage of a church......all after mom has been "sent away".

 

[prima.facie]

Does anyone know if their church has over 10,000 local members, or are some of them online TV members? After insomnia and reading more about this, it's pretty confusing and contradictory. Hope is made out to be a wife who suddenly changed into an erratic, mess ten years ago yet she has worked, gone to many conferences, and easily carried on an alleged longterm affair. She went to therapy and had a secret completely different life for the past three years yet suddenly became so unstable and in such a state that she is isolated. Is this woman who wanted out of a bad marriage or a mentally ill person? There's talk of marriage counseling but no talk of previos medication and treatment. It's not making sense.

sadly, all that talk and claims are coming from a sociopath named ron.
we don't know if ANY of it is true because nobody is verifying or denying it.
why is her family not speaking up? they actually support the trashing of their daughter to the world? if so, they are just as f'd up as he is. if not, WHERE are they??

unless this is all one big money making scam. im still on THAT fence.

 

[Cherry]

Nice excuse he has come up with: OK so now has anyone even attempted to verify exactly where she is? I know HPPA will come into play here and he knows it. How Do I know he didn't kill her and she isn't dead? I don't believe him at all. We need proof of life has it been established? Did I miss something?

 

[rachaellouise]

Does she not have family that are concerned about her whereabouts? I can't believe not even her children are asking questions.

 

[Tulessa]

Does she not have family that are concerned about her whereabouts? I can't believe not even her children are asking questions.

That's what gets me in this case. There is no support, or concerns for Hope's safety. The least her parents could do, is issue a statement, saying she is OK!

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I really hope she's on a tropical beach somewhere, sipping on a fruity drink, but I don't think this is the case.

He has removed any association of her from the church, because according to him, she committed adultery. Instead of her stepping down, he took her down. So she is erased from the ministry and his life, as though she never existed. Hmmm......

The only thing he has continued to do is play poor me, to his congregation to garner sympathy. I think he needs their reassurance to justify his actions.

None of what he describes about her, sounds believable from my knowledge of mental health treatment. (what happened to our posters that work/worked in that field?)

"It's the worse case ever seen" Yada, yada, yada

They stabilize people that are psychotic and people that are suicidal and send them home in 2-3 days. I don't believe three weeks later they went to visit and it was "awful". I don't believe this to be true, but if there is any truth to it, it makes me question where the heck she is? She's in isolation? That sounds old school to me and hard to believe unless she is being held against her will. Again, what kind o facility is this if true?

From her lectures, I am seeing a very empowering woman that is outspoken. The only thing that makes any sense to me, is that she had enough of HIM and wanted out. Are the so called friends of hers simply the ladies involved with "Women of Hope"?

Someone needs to check on her, the kids (who is supervising them while he is gone) I'm really worried about them. He could be psychotic, up there preaching and bad mouthing her. He just keeps going an going with very little sleep, no time to process anything and he doesn't shut his mouth. He's wired. I find it truly scary and he's leading all the blind.

He could have easily been counseled by other pastors, but instead he is putting on a public display and getting praised for it.

 

[Gardenlady]

Yes, it seems to me that perhaps Hope was outgrowing the influence of her parents and husband and becoming much more of her own person. Maybe she wasn't happy anymore being "under her husband's cover", or whatever the creepy term/phrase is. And maybe husband wasn't happy with that.

I'm going to bet that whatever "facility" she has been sent to (if indeed she is at one) it's not a medical facility, not a psychiatric facility, but rather a religious one. It reminds me of many of those "disciplinary" homes or programs, very often religious in nature, for teens who refuse to tow their parents' demanding, religious behavioral line. I'm sure places like this exist for "misbehaving women" for the ultra-religious as well, only under the guise of a counseling/treatment center.

She might not even be truly unable to leave physically. But I would guess that the mental, emotional, and spiritual control exerted by counsellors would be enough to keep her there against her will.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Does she not have family that are concerned about her whereabouts? I can't believe not even her children are asking questions.

It doesn't surprise me if she came from a strict Pentecostal family that believes women are to be subservient to men. They wouldn't approve of her dress, makeup and outspokenness.

Now, I would expect the kids and her close friends to be asking questions. Maybe they do know she is somewhere safe, but I don't believe what he is feeding the congregation and I'm surprised her friends haven't spoken out in her defense.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Yes, it seems to me that perhaps Hope was outgrowing the influence of her parents and husband and becoming much more of her own person. Maybe she wasn't happy anymore being "under her husband's cover", or whatever the creepy term/phrase is. And maybe husband wasn't happy with that.

I'm going to bet that whatever "facility" she has been sent to (if indeed she is at one) it's not a medical facility, not a psychiatric facility, but rather a religious one. It reminds me of many of those "disciplinary" homes or programs, very often religious in nature, for teens who refuse to tow their parents' demanding, religious behavioral line. I'm sure places like this exist for "misbehaving women" for the ultra-religious as well, only under the guise of a counseling/treatment center.

She might not even be truly unable to leave physically. But I would guess that the mental, emotional, and spiritual control exerted by counsellors would be enough to keep her there against her will.

Yes, I thought of the boot camp or ranch in the middle of nowhere, with the breaking, deprogramming, brainwashing techniques. In some ways, it's really hard to believe, but look at the power and money that is involved with him and his associates. Where there is money and there is power, there is evil. All in the name of the lord!

If he would have simply said she had a breakdown and she was at a nice, beach resort, treatment facility getting counseling, I would possibly have a different opinion on the matter.

Instead I'm seeing an elaborate display of behavior that indicates IMO, that he has done wrong. It reminds me of the abuser in a relationship that tries to justify.

 

[attraversiamo]

Ron's Message from yesterday - October 27 2013

http://www.joy105.com/40-pastors-joined-pastor-ron-carpenter-in-service-this-sunday/

(scroll on down)

ETA: hey you guys, at 21:47 make the crooked places STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! you have to listen! THAT's just WRONG!

I am sorry for rehashing but I watched this video before bed and it stuck - check it:

17:50 Ron starts talking about taking the kids for the first time in 3 weeks to see Hope the day before this sermon - and he said it was painful, it was not painful, it was gut wrenching................................

Shortly after 18:00 he says I am learning when you are dealing with someone with mental or emotional illnesses or issues there are laws that protect them, and I have to be very very careful about what I say but.................................

But from 20:34

...The therapist looked at me and said this can be corrected

But then he told me he said the word I hate the most he said this will be a journey

and I ain't no different than you i'm tiiiiiiiiired of journeys I am ready to blink my eyes and it just be fixed

has anyone ever had something drag out so long that you just ready to POINT AT IT ? c'mon hey has anyone said this process is wearing me so long you are ready to just close your eyes and open it all be fixed but you still find yourself in the midst of the process why? because that's where the glory of god breaks out, that's where the roots are deepened, that's where you behind dig deep in god, that's where you begin to get on a foundation that's can't be shaken and it's difficult to build that in good times but in the bad times god will show you a god where his arm is not short but it is strong and he will show you streams in your desert, make the high places low and the low places high and make the crooked places straight some of you don't know what I'm talking about cuz you ain't never heard yet but I'm here to tell you god will meet you in trouble shout hallelujah!

:thud:

He continues to detail the conversation he had with God about living the sermon, instead of preaching it, how his life is going to preach the best sermon ever and it will be read by all men....that he is going to be a living apostle read by all men...........................................

:scared: