Pastor of mega church says wife has gone away for 1 year...

[Kimster]

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[CountitallJoy]

I'm sorry! I read the rules a couple years ago when I first joined, but I should've looked them back up before posting. Got a little caught up in the moment.. Mea Culpa

 

[Wednesday80]

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Just to clarify, is it against TOS to say I wrote law enforcement inquiring about her even if I don't ask anyone else to do the same? Isn't this the same as sending in a tip about a missing person to law enforcement? I am not seeking to be argumentative, I am seeking clarification because there is a huge difference between my saying I alerted law enforcement to this and saying that along with asking others do the same. The latter to me is taking up a campaign, the former is stating of reporting a tip/inquiry to law enforcement.

Thank you for further clarifying this, I do appreciate it and my intent was not to break TOS in any way, I truly felt there was a distinct difference.

 

[SwampMama]

CountitallJoy,

:welcome:

Glad to see a new voice joining in and speaking out on this case.

 

[Wednesday80]

CountitallJoy,

:welcome:

Glad to see a new voice joining in and speaking out on this case.

Yes, welcome!!!

 

[laura08]

http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/18873-please-pray-for-the-wounded-shepherds

America’s most prominent pastor, Rick Warren, and his wife, Kay, lost their 27-year-old son, Matthew, to suicide earlier this year. The Warrens grieved privately for months. When they finally spoke publicly with CNN’s Piers Morgan about the tragedy in September, they offered comfort to every family that has ever battled the reality of mental illness.

They also showed the nation that pastors are people too—and they hurt just like the rest of us.

Last weekend, one of the nation’s most prominent Pentecostal pastors bared his soul to say something no one wants to admit publicly. Ron Carpenter Jr., founder of Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, S.C., told thousands of his congregants on Oct. 13 that his wife of 23 years, Hope, had been involved in inappropriate relationships and that she had been admitted to a rehab facility.

 

[laura08]

http://www.charismanews.com/us/4135...-carpenter-s-wife-seeks-psychiatric-treatment

Carpenter then went on to explain the backstory. He said he courted Hope in a pure, holy, sex-free relationship for three and a half years before they married on June 23, 1990. For 14 years they had a blissful marriage. He called it a fairy tale and said they didn’t even argue. But in 2004, after he dedicated the church facility on Easter Sunday, he discovered a “very different woman.”

“I went home to a person that for the next 10 years I did not marry and I had not known," he said. "Many of you were here during that time, and you saw erratic behavior. You saw changes. I tried my best to hide them. I did not know what was going on, and I did not know what to do, but I knew I had great love for this lady.”

Carpenter disclosed that he and his wife went through two years of “grueling therapy,” and he was believing for a miracle even while she withdrew herself from ministry and stopped coming to church most weekends. He admitted he didn’t know where she was most of those Sundays.

“What you do not know is that week in the therapist’s office, she confessed a five-year inappropriate relationship to me,” Carpenter said. “And I thought I was going to die. I about lost my mind.”

 

[seattlechiquita]

Not sure if this has already been posted but here is a blogger with some similar concerns for HHC's well being. She makes some valid points:

http://hopehilleycarpenter.blogspot.ca/

Respectfully snipped by me. Devil's advocate answers to some questions I am familiar with:

1. One-year rehabilitation clinics are not normal. And at this point there hasn't even been time for a thorough evaluation.
Untrue. For extreme cases of addiction, internment can last a long time. I personally know of a friend who was in for 18 months before being sent back home.


2. Why is she in isolation? This sounds like the solitary confinement of death row.
Same friend above (and no it ain't me, I sobered up without treatment). Some treatment centers work like this -- again, nothing out of the ordinary. BUT full on, for months and months isolation is NOT routine


4. In another comment he says she is at an undisclosed out-of-state location. Why must this be so secretive? Why out of state?
Some rehab centers operate with super tight security, mostly to protect the recovering addict from his/her own circle of prior acquaintances.


That said,I think Ron is full of youknowwhat.

 

[CountitallJoy]

Thank you so much for the welcome! I have to go pick up my daughter from school right now, but I look forward to discussing this and other cases with the group. I might better brush up on TOS before my fingers fly again, though..

 

[Tulessa]

Thank you so much for the welcome! I have to go pick up my daughter from school right now, but I look forward to discussing this and other cases with the group. I might better brush up on TOS before my fingers fly again, though..

That's a good idea! It's not Kim that's the meanie here, it's her ray gun!! :floorlaugh:

Kimster is a doll and has helped me so much through my first years here. We truly have awesome mods!! :loveyou:

 

[SeekingJana]

OK, so I have a question:
In the last couple of posts, Ron says his congregation members SAW changes in Hope. " You all know what I mean. You saw things".

If this is true, are people posting that they did see her act, dress, talk or otherwise be " inappropriate"? I haven't seen this but to be perfectly honest, I am sick to death of RON and I am NOT going to anymore video links featuring him!!
The time comes when a sane person says " enough" and my threshold limit for his BS has been exceeded.:banghead:

 

[SwampMama]

I think Ron fancies himself as a modern day Job who is plagued with trials in life but still keeps believing and preaching. He has to be able to get up there with fresh stories of his struggles in life and how he has conquered him with the help of God.

He lives a prosperous lifestyle so it is not like he is really struggling financially like so many people, he is not dealing with a disability or terminal illness, but he thrives on being the victor, battling the enemy and being a better person for it (remember his book, "the necessity of an enemy").

So I think he likes to twist or embellish things to his advantage for that purpose. Imagine if he comes out of this as a victor, a champion for being such a long suffering husband who has accomplished so much (I gagged as I say this but bear with me). He gets to reinvent himself, get lots of attention and publicity in the process.

With that being said, I wish Hope would speak out. I think she probably wanted to leave his sanctimonious butt and was adamant about it. Well that would hurt his pride and ego so he has to come out as the first one to go public and carefully paint himself as the victim of a long suffering "horror of a marriage", cast Hope as mentally ill (cuz she must be if she would leave Apostle Ron who is such a man of God).

So he comes out of this clean and victorious, instead of as the rejected husband. He denies any wrong doing while painting many seeds of doubt about Hope with his allegations of infidelity and mental illness. And he seems to be relishing the publicity and probably profiting from it in many ways.

I wonder if he pulled a stunt like the one pulled on Michael Jackson's mom and sent her to a "spa" or retreat which quickly turned into a locked down and isolation plan.

I wonder what the laws are in Tx for locking someone up (assuming she is in tx) for medical reasons and declaring them "mentally incompetent". For instance, here in Louisiana, after a 72 hour observation, the coroner is the one who authorizes if you are mentally incompetent or not.

And of course, many patients stay "voluntarily" because they are told that if the do try to leave that they will be declared incompetent and put on lockdown,etc. So they have to play nice, bide their time and hope to be able to walk out one day without the stigma of being declared mentally incompetent.

 

[Tulessa]

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[SeekingJana]

I know there are exceptions to every rule, but here is a rundown of what is usual and customary for TX regarding holds in psych. facilities.
Note that I do not have any info stating that she is in TX or anywhere else..

MOST treatment centers for psych. illnesses are voluntary admission only or with a possible 72 hour observation if the initial assessment with the client determines they are an active risk to themselves or others. However, it is possible for the client to get the 72 hour hold rescinded if the client asks for an independent review of their case status before the 72 hours are up. Meaning, one doctor can say " You will be here for 72 hours" and if the client objects, they and their Hartman luggage might go home the same day if another senior psychiatrist in Admin. says " Safe to release". Some people with dual diagnoses may be sent on a court order. This is also true of a person discharged from a hospital in the area who actively tried to commit suicide but is medically stable.

How long is a person committed involuntarily? The longest hold is 72 hours and a PANEL of psychiatrists must make a joint decision to hold a person against their will for longer than 72 hours. Because private ( non- state) facilities in TX are usually voluntary, short stay admission facilities with unlocked doors in places ( fire safety), the involuntarily committed adult will be in a different type room and away from the general adult unit. ( I think this is very detrimental to one's mental health).

IF LE picks someone up for attempted suicide or is otherwise involved via a 911 call, that person is most likely going to the BAD place- one of the state facilities, in the back of a police car, and probably handcuffed. They have much fewer rights regarding contacting next of kin, correspondence in general outside the facility, and the practitioners there can and do hold people for 3 to 6 months on a court- ordered admission.

I have had people come back from one and tell me how dehumanizing it was for them. They sometimes end up with a new diagnosis of trauma on top of their original diagnosis of depression.
I ALWAYS tried to warn my clients about the TX state psych. facilities because the laws regarding involuntary psych. care are almost as strict as TX reputation as a death penalty state which does execute inmates.

I'll never get used to the harshness of " justice" in this state. JMO.

 

[SwampMama]

Listening to the radio interview with Ron about Hope and her issues and Ron's struggles on the Russ Castle radio show

Radio interview summary:

http://groupsects.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/pastor-ron-carpenter-honest-raw-and-broken/

scroll down to link (in yellow under the small article of his face book post)

You have to listen, he is asked questions but dances around it in his own sanctimonious and righteous way.

Q. Why did you decide to go public Sunday?
Ron? 4 days earlier, another serious situation revealed, Hope's (the love of his life) mental state was so dangerous, that at a therapist urging has submitted herself, because of the state that she is in.

Question: Did she attempt suicide?
Ron: She Threatened suicide attempt

Q. Is she bipolar, schizophrenic, sex addict?
Ron: She is under evaluation for all of that.

Do you think you are responsible?
Ron: That is being assessed in a clinical blah blah.....

He confronted her with suspicions on a daily basis. Could never prove his suspicions.

Q. How is it biblical to divorce and adulterous wife
A. That is the only circumstance that the bible supports a divorce

He says his children have witnessed all of this, her parents are in his house now, pulling together to get thru this.

He has no intention of stepping down.

I'm still listening to it now. I wish someone would transcribe it or to track down a transcription.

Anyone else listened to this and heard any points that stuck out to them?

 

[Wednesday80]

That's a good idea! It's not Kim that's the meanie here, it's her ray gun!! :floorlaugh:

Kimster is a doll and has helped me so much through my first years here. We truly have awesome mods!! :loveyou:

OK, so I have a question:
In the last couple of posts, Ron says his congregation members SAW changes in Hope. " You all know what I mean. You saw things".

If this is true, are people posting that they did see her act, dress, talk or otherwise be " inappropriate"? I haven't seen this but to be perfectly honest, I am sick to death of RON and I am NOT going to anymore video links featuring him!!
The time comes when a sane person says " enough" and my threshold limit for his BS has been exceeded.:banghead:

The part I underlined sounds like what a gossip-monger would say. Furthermore, it sounds like an attempt to plant memories of events that never occurred or re-color them in a light that is extremely unfavorable to her. If he was going to say such hurtful and destructive things about her in her absence, in her YEAR LONG absence, he should have said it once, preferably succinctly (actually, preferably not at all but clearly he feels compelled to do so), and then he should have STFU about the matter. He wants to drag this out, to publicly smear and humiliate Hope and continue to garner for ONLY HIMSELF in the process, Hope and children be damned, congregation be damned, Hope's other family members, be damned! Ron Carpenter Jr is the only person in the world that matters because by golly, he was chosen as super-duper speshul by God himself. :sick: :maddening:

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[Wednesday80]

Listening to the radio interview with Ron about Hope and her issues and Ron's struggles on the Russ Castle radio show

Radio interview summary:

http://groupsects.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/pastor-ron-carpenter-honest-raw-and-broken/

scroll down to link (in yellow under the small article of his face book post)

You have to listen, he is asked questions but dances around it in his own sanctimonious and righteous way.

Q. Why did you decide to go public Sunday?
Ron? 4 days earlier, another serious situation revealed, Hope's (the love of his life) mental state was so dangerous, that at a therapist urging has submitted herself, because of the state that she is in.

Question: Did she attempt suicide?
Ron: She Threatened suicide attempt

Q. Is she bipolar, schizophrenic, sex addict?
Ron: She is under evaluation for all of that.

Do you think you are responsible?
Ron: That is being assessed in a clinical blah blah.....

He confronted her with suspicions on a daily basis. Could never prove his suspicions

Q. How is it biblical to divorce and adulterous wife
A. That is the only circumstance that the bible supports a divorce

He says his children have witnessed all of this, her parents are in his house now, pulling together to get thru this.

He has no intention of stepping down.

I'm still listening to it now. I wish someone would transcribe it or to track down a transcription.

Anyone else listened to this and heard any points that stuck out to them?

I bet a man with the personality Ron shows did confront her daily, even if he had no reason to be suspect (outside of his own control freak ways) and if he did have legitimate reasons to suspect it, I can only imagine how his confrontations were. Likely they were ambushes where he would act as if things were fine and then turn on a a dime and dig into her with accusations and his 'proof'.

If you confront anyone long enough, particularly in the way it seems Ron goes about things, you can come to believe anything, and I do mean anything. You may 'know' it doesn't make sense but it won't matter because you will believe the crap a person like that slings at you. Unfortunately my daughters and I have too much experience with a man like this, minus the God approach. Ron has all of my alarm bells screaming, both from personal experience and from current graduate studies in this general area.

ETA- Per God only allows divorce in cases of adultery, first, in the eyes of God, he committed adultery with his addiction. Second, doesn't the Bible allow for divorce in cases of domestic abuse?

also edited for clarity and typos

 

[Wednesday80]

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And I'd be here ---:jail::jail: permanently!

 

[SwampMama]

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Ron Carpenter covered up sin and even allowed hope to preach in the pulpit numerous occasions after her sin was known.
Staff members even lost their jobs because they refused to go along with coverup.

Ok so supposing Hope did have an affair (and we still have no proof, just some vague allegations) I really don't care, that's been happening since the beginning of time, my issue is not with that. It happens. I know I could have NEVER put up with Ron for 25 minutes, much less 25 years.

I would imagine that since there were employees that knew then there were also higher up people in authority who knew and their answer was to cover up and carry on because nothing should get in the way of their "megachurch" positions, standing and income. Their image and income was everything.

Ron could have taken a sabbatical. People do that, especially preachers and others in positions where they serve a lot of people. They need that time to rest, regroup and recover and then rejoin in working again.

It is obvious from the 40 (!!) ministers that stood on that stage with RON that Hope was no doubt met with the same force and this was probably a planned ambush. What is the word of one lone woman against a very large group of influential and powerful men?

That probably threatened her with complete disgrace and expose or something like that or gave her the option to go away to a "treatment" center or exile, stay quiet for a year, allow Ron and the church to go on. Either agree to that or prepare to be destroyed by a huge group of people who also had the power to affect her family and children's lives as well.

And of course, this being a "christian" group of people, you can bet the bible, God and all of that was used against Hope and the other members of the family have had that used to manipulate them. But I am sure the church elders (or who every is in cahoots with this conspiracy) also used a "caring and concerned" attitude when talking to her parents and family or friends about Hope's salvation and eternal damnation. believe me, these types KNOW how to manipulate people.

Think about how cult leaders have lead people to break up families, tear spouses apart, take children from parents, make them marry against their will, even kill in the name of their cause or their God. The power of a cult leader or leaders can be very powerful. People may believe that these evil leaders hold the power over them to cast them into eternal damnation where they will burn for an eternity.

The whole things just sickens me.

 

[Wednesday80]

SwampMama, is there a list available of who these 40 "ministers" were? I would like to compose an open letter to them, once I can compose myself to come across respectfully and succinctly

I have a lot more to say about your post where you mentioned that but it will have to wait until later LOL (I know, I know, people are waiting with bated breath! Haha!)