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  • #541
I'm not so sure Hope was in on this, but instead forced. Unless she wants totally out of ministry it doesn't seem smart to allow herself to be labeled as someone with a totally secret culture and dress. How could she ever really recover from such slander and ever be able to earn a living in church stuff again. Mental illness and adultery, yes, but not what he's said about her. He even went so far as to proclaim she had no remorse or compassion.

well that is part of this world....redemption. its a good story. people love to hear about it. church members want to hear how God transformed the lowest life sinner. and according to his twitter and his slogans and all of that...recovery and redemption plays a big part in his mega church industry.

IMO......that is if she is the conspirator and not a victim of a sociopath....or a victim of a breakdown from the lifestyle..
 
  • #542
I'm not so sure Hope was in on this, but instead forced. Unless she wants totally out of ministry it doesn't seem smart to allow herself to be labeled as someone with a totally secret culture and dress. How could she ever really recover from such slander and ever be able to earn a living in church stuff again. Mental illness and adultery, yes, but not what he's said about her. He even went so far as to proclaim she had no remorse or compassion.

above bbm

Oddly her last tweet said she was looking forward to a day tomorrow where she doesn't have to be anywhere and there's nothing she has to do!

Coinkydink?

Heck, maybe she didn't even write it - will we ever know?

:facepalm:
 
  • #543
I think very very few people can gracefully and humbly handle a position of "power".

either one breaks down from it (which could have happened w/ hope and has happened countless times over with others) or one takes it and becomes godlike in their mind and the mind of their followers and abuses it.

not a position id ever want to be in.
 
  • #544
http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...-in-heart-wrenching-sunday-confession-106594/
Here are some of the tweets that went out towards Ron about this.

Friends and supporters of Carpenter and his congregation have expressed prayers for the Christian minister, many of them writing their messages on Twitter:

"Sending prayer and love your way during this season...Hold on sir. We care!" wrote Bishop T.D. Jakes of The Potter's House in Dallas, Texas.

"Praying and standing with @roncarpenter and Hope @rwoc," tweeted Ed Young, pastor of Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas.

Dharius Daniels, pastor of Kingdom Church in Princeton, N.J., wrote, "Love you @roncarpenter, praying for you."

Pastor Perry Noble of NewSpring Church in Anderson, S.C., tweeted, "I love you @roncarpenter — praying for you and standing with you my friend!"

"Praying for @roncarpenter today," wrote Elevation Church Pastor Steven Furtick in Charlotte, N.C. "He is a good man & a true friend. Love & respect to you, Pastor Ron."

Notice that the first 2 are from Texas? And the 2nd one is one of the FEW comments that mention Hope. Could Hope be somewhere around them in Texas? I dunno.
 
  • #545
They definitely have their tricks of the trade. It reminds me of high pitch sales tactics. Tons of pressure to give money and how good things will happen to you for giving that money. I just caught the last of the live service tonight. The part I caught was the offering pressure speech. Everyone was holding their envelope above their head showing they had it. This tactic puts a great deal of pressure on others that don't. I'm sure there are negative looks that are cast on those that don't have that envelope in their hand.

At the end of the speech, he closes by telling the congregation they can leave....after they give their offering.

On another note, I do enjoy being educated by the links and posts of others on the subject. I have always had a scary, creepy feeling about these institutions. They hold an incredible amount of power with the income that they bring in and they can have great influence with that wealth in areas of politics. Again, I find that a bit frightening.
 
  • #546
If Hope was as controlled as it seems, she likely had no friends, and I mean none, even though she interacted with thousands. Fear is a powerful motivator that can do many things, including keeping you from ever really connecting with anyone even while seeming to connect deeply with them. I hope Hope didn't fear Ron seeing her form any semblance of friendship, male or female. I know that fear, catching your breath if even a neighbor stops you to say, "hi" when you go to the mailbox, even if your husband isn't home ( but you fear he could be around any corner and literally very well could be, ready to punish you for anyone that dare speak one word to you.

Do we know when she got the full-sleeve tattoo on her right arm and if he approved or wanted her to get it? Curious since it doesn't seem something one would get if they were in fear of their spouse's reaction to it.

MOO
 
  • #547
it was incorporated as a non-profit by Ron back in 1996. So I would bet he still controls it and perhaps appoints the directors and officers.

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I know I read that his friend Furticks "church" is controlled by fellow ministers that I believe he appoints. The local paper there at least expressed mild interest in this unusual religious organization in a series of articles including
I-Team: Pastor's salary set by board, not congregation
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/I-Team-Pastors-salary-set-by-board-not-congregation-229010291.html?ref=prev

I have to admit I am fascinated/repulsed by this whole inter-related set of schemers. I have never seen a "megachurch". Here in my small New England college town churches are primarily small, historic and benign.

So, overall, this seems like a, well, scam using as a foundation, religion, God and their newly discovered Prosperity Gospel". The ministers preach similar messages and prop each other up. Any failings are due to the "enemy" striking the godly minister who is scaring the devil. They seem to target the less educated in the bible belt. Tithing is an essential part of their message and stressed as a mandate for success, happiness, heaven etc. Thus ensuring a steady stream of income no matter how poor the congregation.

So, 40 fellow ministers show up and his wife disappears. Something is threatening the income stream....oh, I mean "church". How big is it? Does it threaten only Ron or the others too or do they just show as a kind of pact of support that they will all prop each other up no matter what to ensure they can all continue?

The wife. She was obviously a willing participant for many years. Personally, not taken in by her "preaching". But I find nothing spiritual in this type of performance. These people aren't ministering, they're hawking. They are marketers with a product they've fine tuned for their particular marks/audience. Music, hair gel, makeup, God wants you to make money and have a big house, give ME money and God will bless you with wealth. They've cornered that, hopefully small, market.

I'm really torn on this one. He went too far in his reputation smearing to make me think she's in on it. So, is she really ill in some way? Which means he's basically being honest about what's going on. But why would he then need to besmirch her to the extent he did if she was not a threat? It doesn't seem that simple. Why would she allow him to have her locked up? What he says in that regard is not believable in any way.

my wife Hope, has voluntarily checked into a one-year rehabilitation clinic and she is in isolation and she is under psychiatric evaluation at this moment,
What treatment center first tells you that you need a one-year rehabilitation and only then evaluates you to see what's wrong but after already telling you that you have the worst case they've ever seen?

"In 2004, the date we dedicated this facility, Easter Sunday 2004, I left here to find a very different woman than I had ever met."
So, on that one specific day she suddenly and completely became a different person and remained that way for the next 10 YEARS but they are only now seeking help?

. "I went home to a person that for the next 10 years I did not marry and I have not known."
Again, so for 10 years he has been living a lie while building his empire and deceiving his "flock" about their perfect marriage and holding seminars on how to have a perfect marriage like them?

his wife confessed in 2010 that she had been carrying on an extra-marital relationship for the past five years.

"If I had been a regular old guy, I couldn't have took it," confessed Carpenter,
Nice linguistic skills. Again, since 2010 he knew about affairs and kept pretending? And, he could only "take it" cause he was so special.

Carpenter said his wife disclosed a second relationship that had been going on throughout the restoration process.

"There is a sickness, there is a whole 'nother dual life that I am finding out that has been created," Carpenter told worshippers. "Hope is not well. You need to know that. We don't know what's wrong, but these are not the actions of anybody that is right."
Seriously? She had affairs. OK, not recommended but hardly unique or unusual or a sign of mental illness. Could also be a sign of deep loneliness, lack of connection, revenge for betrayal by him? Or maybe she just liked sex. Whatever. Who cares why an adult has an affair. Women can't be locked up these days for having one or ten or 20 lovers.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-ron-carpenter-reveals-wifes-mental-illness-adultery-in-heart-wrenching-sunday-confession-106594/
He has alleged NOTHING that substantiates illness of any kind. There is no reason to believe she has any actual illness. There is a chance he and the other 40 ministers could have convinced her she had one. Or was she taken to a religious facility where she could be kept on the say so of ministers? Like when they take rebellious teens and send them to those boot camps by snatching them in the middle of the night.

Maybe it's me, but I get a total gay vibe from this guy. Similar to that Haggard or Haggert one a few years back. There is a lot of repressed homosexuality in these circles where gayness is condemned. Maybe it's unfair bias but I think many of those religious figures most crazed about homosexuality and almost always focused on gay men not women, have some sexual preference confusion issues themselves.

Did she find out he was gay or that he was still acting out his gay impulses after an agreement to stop? I just feel like he wouldn't be hiding his wife and publicly airing her infidelities and indiscretions and problems if he didn't want to hide and deflect some personal truths.

I did first think she was dead. And she still could be. But if he and his fellow preachers are powerful enough and have the right connections there are other ways to get rid of someone who presents a threat. Even if they can't keep her away forever, they can destroy her image, reputation and credibility so she presents no threat if she escapes or gets released.

But I honestly have no clue. This is such a bizarre world I have no way to evaluate the behavior according to norms I know. I will be curiously following this strange saga.



I'm sure it does and it's not just for the Pastors. All church employees are usually bound by a moral code of conduct due to the fact they are a representation of the church.

Our church believes if a leader can't lead his home in a way that's pleasing to God, that leader is not fit to serve as a leader in the church.
^^ I think this is why Ron is acting 'shocked' and pretending to not have knowledge of Hopes alleged other life.



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  • #548
http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...-in-heart-wrenching-sunday-confession-106594/
Here are some of the tweets that went out towards Ron about this.

Friends and supporters of Carpenter and his congregation have expressed prayers for the Christian minister, many of them writing their messages on Twitter:

"Sending prayer and love your way during this season...Hold on sir. We care!" wrote Bishop T.D. Jakes of The Potter's House in Dallas, Texas.

"Praying and standing with @roncarpenter and Hope @rwoc," tweeted Ed Young, pastor of Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas.

Dharius Daniels, pastor of Kingdom Church in Princeton, N.J., wrote, "Love you @roncarpenter, praying for you."

Pastor Perry Noble of NewSpring Church in Anderson, S.C., tweeted, "I love you @roncarpenter — praying for you and standing with you my friend!"

"Praying for @roncarpenter today," wrote Elevation Church Pastor Steven Furtick in Charlotte, N.C. "He is a good man & a true friend. Love & respect to you, Pastor Ron."

Notice that the first 2 are from Texas? And the 2nd one is one of the FEW comments that mention Hope. Could Hope be somewhere around them in Texas? I dunno.
The first two are prominent televangelists. Fellowship Church is also located in other cities besides Grapevine TX (per website). Not sure about the others. Probably just notes of support and nothing more.

MOO
 
  • #549
she has to spend a year in a facility why would you be so accepting of her wish for you to publicly discuss her adultery and indiscretions? If her judgment is so impaired she can't function in society why would you follow her instructions about airing your personal life to thousands of people? Self serving much.



I feel like he violated his son and his wife by speaking about them in front of thousands right after they were swept away. He states he had permission from both of them, if true, to what extent? I don't believe he had permission to say what he said. How could anyone trust a person that would do this?

Each one of his supporters should think real hard how they would feel, if he mentioned them by name, in front of the entire church, all over the internet, radio and tv and told everyone confidential things that they said to him.

He has zero right to tell anyone elses story. That includes his childrens and his wifes. It's nobody elses business but theirs and theirs alone to share.
 
  • #550
um sorry. I thought that the whole mega church world was connected to what is going on with hope. I and others shared some of our experiences so that we could shed some light on the world that hope lives in because some of us believe it IS relevant.

we don't know where she is. we are speculating based on that world she lives in.....and this is in current events....im not sure there is a specific topic we are suppose to stick to. seems to be a few topics wrapped into one thread.

Don't be sorry. You are right.
 
  • #551
Maybe we could stick more to the topic of this thread? Where's Hope Carpenter?

This article has been posted before. There is a network of pastors, 40, according to this article that are on Pastor Ron's side. They came from across the nation. Sounds like a good old boys' club. Maybe one of these pastors know where Hope is. I appreciate everybody's experiences with these mega churches. IMO we are on topic. :moo:

http://www.joy105.com/40-pastors-joined-pastor-ron-carpenter-in-service-this-sunday/
 
  • #552
from any church going people. Now I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school but never saw anything like the Membership Application from Ron's church. Have any of you seen it? Here's a link http://www.rwoc.org/resources/1/New Member Form 2012.pdf

I thought it was kind of weird they asked for your employment info and a photo but that was nothing. You also have to sign a release and....this is the really weird part to me

We expect all RWOC members to covenant with us as we believe for the corporate blessing that comes to God’s people through being faithful with tithes and offerings.

Membership Covenant
Please read this covenant prayerfully and with great care before signing.
► I covenant to walk in peace and not bring turmoil to the body. (I Chron.12:17)
► I covenant to help accomplish the vision that God has given to Apostle Ron and not my own
agenda. (John 12)
► I covenant to faithfully attend, give tithes and offerings, and to actively involve myself in this ministry. (Mal. 3:8, 10; Heb. 10:24, 25)
►I covenant to submit myself to the Word of God for reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. (II Tim. 3:15-17)
►I covenant to walk with a servant’s heart in whatever area of ministry that I serve and do it as unto the Lord. (Rom. 12:6-11)
►I covenant to pray for Apostle’s Ron and Hope Carpenter, their family, and RWOC. (II Tim. 1:3)
►I covenant not to murmur, complain, or speak evil against Apostle’s Ron and Hope, RWOC,or my brothers and sisters in THE BODY. (II Tim. 2:15-16, 2:23-24)
►I covenant to conduct myself in a manner that will be above reproach spiritually, morally, and financially. (Eph. 4:13-16)

Is this a normal church application process? I am getting a totally creepy vibe and it ain't because tomorrow is Halloween. At least this is relieving my Red Sox tension-but dare I say we're ahead-6-0!!!!! I never relax though-lived in MA all my life-I'm jaded.
 
  • #553
Boytwnmom,

We are a church going family and I was raised going to church. No church where I was ever a member had such a requirement.

I visited the church my brother in law and his family attended about 10 years ago. It was trying to be a Mega Church, but failed and went out of business.

While going through the usual tracts that churches have, I found an application to become a member at that church. IIRC, it was three pages long.

You had to list your income (that was the main thing that stood out to me) and also had to go before a committee who would decide whether or not you would be accepted as a member.

I've seen their wednesday night teen services. They had dancers, big screen tvs in the corners of the sanctuary, rock bands, pyrotechnics, mosh pit dancing.

They bused in kids from poor areas, but instead of hearing the word of God, these kids were bombarded with sermons about giving, giving, giving of all your $$$$$$. :(

Besides the rock band praise team that had teen girl groupies and the mosh pit, one thing I disagreed with was one of their fundraiser activities. They brought in a junk van and charged the teens $1 to hit it one time with a baseball bat and $5 to hit it 10 times. IMO, God, faith, religion.... it's not about DESTRUCTION, but about being constructive. Doing something positive. That place was weird.
 
  • #554
from any church going people. Now I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school but never saw anything like the Membership Application from Ron's church. Have any of you seen it? Here's a link http://www.rwoc.org/resources/1/New Member Form 2012.pdf

I thought it was kind of weird they asked for your employment info and a photo but that was nothing. You also have to sign a release and....this is the really weird part to me



Is this a normal church application process? I am getting a totally creepy vibe and it ain't because tomorrow is Halloween. At least this is relieving my Red Sox tension-but dare I say we're ahead-6-0!!!!! I never relax though-lived in MA all my life-I'm jaded.

I don't belong to any church but I can't imagine this is "normal" by any standards. And people actually sign off on this nonsense? Lots of people. How frightening! This is no man of God - he is clearly only for himself and demands that his followers be as well. I don't understand how they fall for this.

The more I read about "apostle Ron," the more I think he better get busy with some serious damage control. He needs to produce Hope for all the world to see and then slink off into oblivion. I'm beginning to feel the only thing he's accomplished is his own undoing.
 
  • #555
from any church going people. Now I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school but never saw anything like the Membership Application from Ron's church. Have any of you seen it? Here's a link http://www.rwoc.org/resources/1/New Member Form 2012.pdf

I thought it was kind of weird they asked for your employment info and a photo but that was nothing. You also have to sign a release and....this is the really weird part to me



Is this a normal church application process? I am getting a totally creepy vibe and it ain't because tomorrow is Halloween. At least this is relieving my Red Sox tension-but dare I say we're ahead-6-0!!!!! I never relax though-lived in MA all my life-I'm jaded.

literally growing up in the church (different denominations and environments), ive never seen such a thing. so, I do not believe it is normal.:facepalm:

ETA. however, based on my experience in various churches, it is common for there to be a "new member" welcome function, like a lunch or a class which talks about what that church believes and who the staff are and various ministries offered. but I never saw anything that was signed or a form filled out w/ that type of pledge and personal info.
 
  • #556
from any church going people. Now I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school but never saw anything like the Membership Application from Ron's church. Have any of you seen it? Here's a link http://www.rwoc.org/resources/1/New Member Form 2012.pdf

I thought it was kind of weird they asked for your employment info and a photo but that was nothing. You also have to sign a release and....this is the really weird part to me



Is this a normal church application process? I am getting a totally creepy vibe and it ain't because tomorrow is Halloween. At least this is relieving my Red Sox tension-but dare I say we're ahead-6-0!!!!! I never relax though-lived in MA all my life-I'm jaded.

BBM I have heard of church applications. There is a website..Stuff Fundies Like...most folks there are former fundamentalist Christians. It is by no means an atheist site. I found out about church applications there. There is a thread about Ron and Hope on their forum. Pretty good insight on Christian fundamentalism there. IMO. Christian sects I never knew existed until I moved to East Texas and was exposed to some strange beliefs and then I went researching and found that website. Yikes!!
 
  • #557
from any church going people. Now I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school but never saw anything like the Membership Application from Ron's church. Have any of you seen it? Here's a link http://www.rwoc.org/resources/1/New Member Form 2012.pdf

I thought it was kind of weird they asked for your employment info and a photo but that was nothing. You also have to sign a release and....this is the really weird part to me



Is this a normal church application process? I am getting a totally creepy vibe and it ain't because tomorrow is Halloween. At least this is relieving my Red Sox tension-but dare I say we're ahead-6-0!!!!! I never relax though-lived in MA all my life-I'm jaded.

Why do they ask members of the church to do and adhere to rules that even they do not follow themselves?
 
  • #558
it was incorporated as a non-profit by Ron back in 1996. So I would bet he still controls it and perhaps appoints the directors and officers.

I know I read that his friend Furticks "church" is controlled by fellow ministers that I believe he appoints. The local paper there at least expressed mild interest in this unusual religious organization in a series of articles including http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/I-Team-Pastors-salary-set-by-board-not-congregation-229010291.html?ref=prev

I have to admit I am fascinated/repulsed by this whole inter-related set of schemers. I have never seen a "megachurch". Here in my small New England college town churches are primarily small, historic and benign.

So, overall, this seems like a, well, scam using as a foundation, religion, God and their newly discovered Prosperity Gospel". The ministers preach similar messages and prop each other up. Any failings are due to the "enemy" striking the godly minister who is scaring the devil. They seem to target the less educated in the bible belt. Tithing is an essential part of their message and stressed as a mandate for success, happiness, heaven etc. Thus ensuring a steady stream of income no matter how poor the congregation.

So, 40 fellow ministers show up and his wife disappears. Something is threatening the income stream....oh, I mean "church". How big is it? Does it threaten only Ron or the others too or do they just show as a kind of pact of support that they will all prop each other up no matter what to ensure they can all continue?

The wife. She was obviously a willing participant for many years. Personally, not taken in by her "preaching". But I find nothing spiritual in this type of performance. These people aren't ministering, they're hawking. They are marketers with a product they've fine tuned for their particular marks/audience. Music, hair gel, makeup, God wants you to make money and have a big house, give ME money and God will bless you with wealth. They've cornered that, hopefully small, market.

I'm really torn on this one. He went too far in his reputation smearing to make me think she's in on it. So, is she really ill in some way? Which means he's basically being honest about what's going on. But why would he then need to besmirch her to the extent he did if she was not a threat? It doesn't seem that simple. Why would she allow him to have her locked up? What he says in that regard is not believable in any way.

What treatment center first tells you that you need a one-year rehabilitation and only then evaluates you to see what's wrong but after already telling you that you have the worst case they've ever seen?

So, on that one specific day she suddenly and completely became a different person and remained that way for the next 10 YEARS but they are only now seeking help?

Again, so for 10 years he has been living a lie while building his empire and deceiving his "flock" about their perfect marriage and holding seminars on how to have a perfect marriage like them?

Nice linguistic skills. Again, since 2010 he knew about affairs and kept pretending? And, he could only "take it" cause he was so special.

Seriously? She had affairs. OK, not recommended but hardly unique or unusual or a sign of mental illness. Could also be a sign of deep loneliness, lack of connection, revenge for betrayal by him? Or maybe she just liked sex. Whatever. Who cares why an adult has an affair. Women can't be locked up these days for having one or ten or 20 lovers.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-ron-carpenter-reveals-wifes-mental-illness-adultery-in-heart-wrenching-sunday-confession-106594/
He has alleged NOTHING that substantiates illness of any kind. There is no reason to believe she has any actual illness. There is a chance he and the other 40 ministers could have convinced her she had one. Or was she taken to a religious facility where she could be kept on the say so of ministers? Like when they take rebellious teens and send them to those boot camps by snatching them in the middle of the night.

Maybe it's me, but I get a total gay vibe from this guy. Similar to that Haggard or Haggert one a few years back. There is a lot of repressed homosexuality in these circles where gayness is condemned. Maybe it's unfair bias but I think many of those religious figures most crazed about homosexuality and almost always focused on gay men not women, have some sexual preference confusion issues themselves.

Did she find out he was gay or that he was still acting out his gay impulses after an agreement to stop? I just feel like he wouldn't be hiding his wife and publicly airing her infidelities and indiscretions and problems if he didn't want to hide and deflect some personal truths.

I did first think she was dead. And she still could be. But if he and his fellow preachers are powerful enough and have the right connections there are other ways to get rid of someone who presents a threat. Even if they can't keep her away forever, they can destroy her image, reputation and credibility so she presents no threat if she escapes or gets released.

But I honestly have no clue. This is such a bizarre world I have no way to evaluate the behavior according to norms I know. I will be curiously following this strange saga.

Wow, great post and so many points to consider!

re: above BBM - Part of the prosperity gospel is that the churches offer financial counseling for people. This is especially attractive to the poor who have debts and little money. But of course that tithe of 10% is taught to be the most important. They say " if they don't give that money to God or "put it in his storehouse" why then how can God multiply your blessings??

As for the pastors, they have a wide array of products they are hawking. Books, tapes, programs, education, etc, etc. The money on their books is usually separate income from the church and they are well paid and compensated by the church. Most of their expenses are written off or covered by the church. Plus they have the tax free status to manipulate when buying things and when gathering money.

Not to mention the generous perks that the pastors can shower each other with generous gifts, paid for by the church. For instance, in this Steve Furtick blog post he writes :" He ( Pastor Terrell Murphy) invited me, flew me out here, paid for the whole deal, had me measured for 2 suits this morning as a gift for our 1 year anniversary and has just made me feel like royalty in the last 24 hours........
But I wasn’t expecting ( Bishop Long ) to pick me and Pastor Murphy up and take us to the Lakers/Hawks game. And I certainly wasn’t expecting to watch the game with him in his luxury box. "

http://www.stevenfurtick.com/ministry-perspective/rollin-deep-in-the-dirty-south/

It's quite the intricate financial bundle.

I believe that Hope knows a LOT of what was going on which is why so many of these pastors are concerned. It may be in their best interest to "supress" her or discredit her. Then if she speaks against them, they can say, "poor mentally ill woman, she knows not what she says, I have prayed for her and hope that she gets well soon".

I've heard a LOT that Ron gives off that gay vibe, that's what so many commenter are saying. He creeps me out for sure.

I wonder about Hope's new sleeve tattoo and if that had anything to do with this debacle. Ron alluded to a whole different dress code and culture as part of her double life. That is not your typical "apostle's wife" kind of thing. (Not that I care, that's her body, her choice) I wonder what the other pastor's think of it?

In the article from Destiny magazine (2008?) the author went to the Carpenter house to interview Hope but the locked gate/security system that the house is surrounded by, malfunctioned and it took a while for her to get in. So I imagine, it could also be used to keep someone locked in, if ya know what I mean. Ron with his ever present bodyguards and a security system could easily ambush his unsuspecting wife.

There's just so much going on here.
 
  • #559
BBM I have heard of church applications. There is a website..Stuff Fundies Like...most folks there are former fundamentalist Christians. It is by no means an atheist site. I found out about church applications there. There is a thread about Ron and Hope on their forum. Pretty good insight on Christian fundamentalism there. IMO. Christian sects I never knew existed until I moved to East Texas and was exposed to some strange beliefs and then I went researching and found that website. Yikes!!

Living in E. Texas I would be interested in what you mean strange beliefs. Just curious. tia
 
  • #560
I have attended several churches in my life and I have never heard of filling out a membership application. Nor would I want to be any part of a church that required me to.

The more I read about this "church" the more convinced i am that these are scammers and not a real church. They are in it for the money.
 
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