Pat Brown compares Lisa case to other cases.

[KCMommie]

I checked records in case.net here in Mo. It looks as if entries have been stripped because it does not appear to show a filing date on the custody case, just the final. That was 2009. The address given at the time was Independence, Mo. If a custody case was solved in 2 months in Mo; I'll be surprised! I'm betting 2008 it was Independence.

 

[Elley Mae]

I could be way off here but, iirc susan smith's husband david was informed or talked to about how LE thought she was involved before we where told she was involved. I am wondering if jeremy was told something to that affect. Sometimes he has an expression on his face that confuses me.

 

[HMSHood]

It is interesting to notice that when there is a high profile case especially involving children, it draws comparisons to other cases. For example.

Lisa Irwin-Fort Bragg Case and Madeline McCann.
Elisa Baker-Gertrude Baniszewski.
Terri Horman-Diane Downs.
Casey Anthony-Diane Downs, Susan Smith, OJ Simpson, Joran van der Sloot, Osama bin Laden, and Adolf Hitler.
South Hadley 6-Lori Drew, Charles Manson, Osama bin Laden, and Adolf Hitler.
Lori Drew-Wanda Holloway, Gertrude Baniszewski, Andrea Yates, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Osama bin Laden, and Adolf Hitler.
Joran van der Sloot-Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Osama bin Laden, and Adolf Hitler.

Interesting to note that almost every of them have been compared and equated with Osama bin Laden and Adolf Hitler, especially Anthony, Drew, and South Hadley 6. Not that I am in any way trivializing 9/11 or Holocaust.

 

[Leila]

I think it was a weak article about Pat B., but I'll throw my hat in the ring. This case smacks of Haleigh Cummings' disappearance to me. Care giver incapacitated by drugs, put kids to bed, later actually in bed with one while the other vanishes, lights on, door open, father comes home from from work in wee hours and discovers... bah!! And she's still gone-- three years next February.

I will state at this point, that it doesn't take a mastermind to get away with this, but it might take a "village" to cover it up. jmo

I'm glad you mentioned the Haleigh Cummings case as this does have the exact same scenario as you've detailed. The one element that's different is that in the Cummings case, there were/are a host of likely suspects, whereas in the case of Lisa Irwin's disappearance, all suspicion (including mine) seems to be centered on the mother. A few are suspicious of the father too, but the list of suspects is very narrow in this case.

If this does turn out to be an abduction, I'll be very surprised, as I think most here will also be.

 

[Leila]

It doesn't seem that most WS members would go as far as to say that this is a premeditated case of murder. If Lisa died and the family covered it up, with a fake abduction report, it seems most likely that their was some kind of neglect or loss of temper that caused an unintended death. A Poll might be useful.

I, for one, am thinking accidental death..........neglect, or something totally unintended. At this point, I don't see a premeditated murder.

The Caylee Anthony case was totally different - single mother leaves her family home, and never reports her daughter missing. When her mother, the child's grandmother, finally finds her daughter she learns that the child has been missing for 31 days, and she reported the child missing. But it's what the mother, Casey, was doing for 31 days after her daughter was supposedly kidnapped.........partying, dancing in hot body contests, playing house with her boyfriend without a care in the world. This, and the fact that her story of the nanny kidnapping her daughter, is why most concluded that Caylee's death was not an accident.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I've never been particulary impressed by Pat Brown. But, now that I know she's such an avid reader here, I'll make more of an effort not to be quite so vocal in my criticisms of her.

(Hi, Pat.)

 

[cluciano63]

The McCann issue is off the table. Please turn to another topic. :tyou:

I am confused...are we never allowed to talk about the McCann case in any way? I wasn't here at WS when it took place, so I don't know what happened on the threads, but is the case itself that taboo? Thanks.

 

[dovebar]

Why would she copy a scenario that failed, and rather quickly too.

Yes, I would find it more likely that someone who knew her from that time, and had a vendetta, has been stalking her and looking for an opening. She very visibly was drinking, up late, in full public view. Anyone could see that she would shortly be out of it.

 

[marge_rita]

I am confused...are we never allowed to talk about the McCann case in any way? I wasn't here at WS when it took place, so I don't know what happened on the threads, but is the case itself that taboo? Thanks.

BUMPING this up so a mod can answer. I want to know too.

bbm

 

[Whisperer]

The Aisenbergs got 1.5 million..WTH? The Anthony may have reached that amount also. There must be a lot of money in "Missing Children". With all the Foundations, Trust Funds, Donations, Charity Events...it is more than enough to make us all cynical. If they play the media and get a lot of publicity, there wealth grows...Unfreakenbelievable! One would think that the parents, grandparents would not want any money from anyone for the loss of their child, particularly when somebody in their own family is responsible.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The Aisenbergs got 1.5 million..WTH? The Anthony may have reached that amount also. There must be a lot of money in "Missing Children". With all the Foundations, Trust Funds, Donations, Charity Events...it is more than enough to make us all cynical. If they play the media and get a lot of publicity, there wealth grows...Unfreakenbelievable! One would think that the parents, grandparents would not want any money from anyone for the loss of their child, particularly when somebody in their own family is responsible.

I believe the 1.5 million came from the Aisenbergs winning a lawsuit against the media. It had nothing to do with TV appearances, licensing fees, etc.

 

[redheadedgal]

bumping up to read thread tmrrw... please add your thoughts too, sleuths


http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/region...ares-baby-lisa-case-to-other-child-abductions

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2011/10/baby-lisa-gone-baby-gone.html


**the mccann case cannot be discussed !!! see post above by kimster

 

[norest4thewicked]

snipped from : http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...ares-baby-lisa-case-to-other-child-abductions

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Some experts are raising questions about similarities between the Lisa Irwin case and other highly publicized child abduction cases.

It's all over the blogosphere. People are comparing this case to other well-known cases when mothers said their child had been kidnapped. That includes one that happened at Fort Bragg about the time Deborah Bradley, Lisa's mom, reportedly lived there.


:great: I believe that the "experts" are definitely reading here !

The members here at WS have been discussing these "other cases" since the beginning, and I remember when the Ft. Bragg case was brought up here by a WS Member !

:great: Great Job :websleuther:

MOO ...

I wonder if anyone has checked on whether or not DB's other child had been sick often? While I have recently come to think that Lisa's disappearance was at the hands of both parents, I think that Munchausen by proxy might be a possibility.

 

[redheadedgal]

here's an interesting comparison--

bianca (detroit) "abducted" according to her father

1) he pleaded/cried on camera for her to be returned
2) he failed a polygraph
3) a cadaver dog hit on items in a bedroom (and his car)
4) bianca is still missing

hmmm. sound familiar?

he was just arrested today for homicide !!

http://rollingout.com/politics/fath...ceiving-death-threats-after-failed-polygraph/

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159471&page=12

 

[redheadedgal]

another interesting comparison--

9 month old lauryn dickens (memphis) vanished in 2010... her body has never been found. her mother was recently found guilty of manslaughter and second degree murder.


Dickens' told police that a white woman in her 40s had come to pick up Lauryn at the father's behest.

The main piece of evidence for the prosecution was a "hit" that police dogs picked up on when searching Dickens' apartment.

Though the dogs caught a scent, they did not find any physical evidence.


http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/shakara-dickens-guilty-in-daughter%27s-death-rpt-20120323

 

[BeeBeeOh]

Ayla Reynolds

Disappeared while sleeping in bed while 3 adults slept soundly
father says she was kidnapped between 9pm and 9am -never checked on child
after investigation there was no evidence that the child left the house

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The Irwins remind me of the Ramseys. In both cases, the main theory is that the mother unintentionally killed her daughter, and the father helped to cover it up. There's a lot more discussion about the brother being involved in JBR's case than Lisa's case though, but maybe that will change as time goes on.

The wine drinking reminds me of the bedwetting in JBR's case. Deborah admitted she drank wine that night, and it's no secret that JonBenet had a bedwetting problem. People who believe IDI in both cases will say that just because you drank or your child wet the bed, doesn't mean you're going to kill them. Others will say that the wine drinking or bed wetting could've been what set Deborah and Patsy off.

If Deborah is guilty, she's lucky that she dumped Lisa's body outside and it hasn't been found because if the police had found Lisa's body in the house (ala JonBenet), they would've been arrested. I think both sets of parents are very lucky but I think there's a lot more shady behind-the-scenes things happening in the Ramsey case that stopped justice from being served.

 

[4Jacy]

The Irwins remind me of the Ramseys. In both cases, the main theory is that the mother unintentionally killed her daughter, and the father helped to cover it up. There's a lot more discussion about the brother being involved in JBR's case than Lisa's case though, but maybe that will change as time goes on.

The wine drinking reminds me of the bedwetting in JBR's case. Deborah admitted she drank wine that night, and it's no secret that JonBenet had a bedwetting problem. People who believe IDI in both cases will say that just because you drank or your child wet the bed, doesn't mean you're going to kill them. Others will say that the wine drinking or bed wetting could've been what set Deborah and Patsy off.

If Deborah is guilty, she's lucky that she dumped Lisa's body outside and it hasn't been found because if the police had found Lisa's body in the house (ala JonBenet), they would've been arrested. I think both sets of parents are very lucky but I think there's a lot more shady behind-the-scenes things happening in the Ramsey case that stopped justice from being served.

Yes, and unfortunately I agree with you. I think JonBenet was trolleped up because Patsey was too old to realize her own "dreams". I have always felt so bad for that little girl. The false teeth, hair dyeing, false eye-lashes, make-up, slutty costumes, slutty "dances"....poor little thing! She just wanted to be a little child. I have, since the begining, my own theory about JonBenet's murder, but that is not the topic here.

I hope and pray that BL was not molested. I also hope and pray that she didn't suffer, but after all I've read I'm not too sure about that anymore.

God bless our babies/children.

 

[vlpate]

I remember this one ... I'm glad she was found guilty. Send this story to DB!!

another interesting comparison--

9 month old lauryn dickens (memphis) vanished in 2010... her body has never been found. her mother was recently found guilty of manslaughter and second degree murder.


Dickens' told police that a white woman in her 40s had come to pick up Lauryn at the father's behest.

The main piece of evidence for the prosecution was a "hit" that police dogs picked up on when searching Dickens' apartment.

Though the dogs caught a scent, they did not find any physical evidence.


http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/shakara-dickens-guilty-in-daughter%27s-death-rpt-20120323

 

[redheadedgal]

I am confused...are we never allowed to talk about the McCann case in any way? I wasn't here at WS when it took place, so I don't know what happened on the threads, but is the case itself that taboo? Thanks.

just wanted to post that the mccann forum has been re-established so i would presume we can once again discuss it here too...

i believe the same thing occurred in both cases... accidental overdose, death, cover up.