Patricia Garrido

[Billylee]

Okay, according to the state of CA real estate department. A realtor license is good for four years. To renew the license here's the qualifications:

The secure eLicensing online system offers expedited processing of salesperson and broker license renewals any time or day of the week. eLicensing is easy to use, paperless and interactive. Licensees enter information needed for license renewal into eLicensing, including the course number and completion date of continuing education courses taken. Continuing education requirements must be completely satisfied in order to renew through eLicensing (see Continuing Education Requirements for further information).


So, it is definitely my opinion now that Patricia Garrido, whose license expired in 1993. Would have had to renew her license every four years before that
AND COMPLETE ANY CONINUED EDUCATION NECESSARY to do so, which means she was perfectly coherant, (and more than likely quite mobile) from 1981 through at least 1989, the year she would have renewed her license last. So all this sickly crap, sounds to me just like that!
She wasn't drugged, she didn't have dementia, and she is now most definitely suspect as part of this whole deal in my opinon. I find it impossible to believe that a coherant, active person, in this household would not know what was going on and I think any jury would too.

 

[songline]

Okay, according to the state of CA real estate department. A realtor license is good for four years. To renew the license here's the qualifications:

The secure eLicensing online system offers expedited processing of salesperson and broker license renewals any time or day of the week. eLicensing is easy to use, paperless and interactive. Licensees enter information needed for license renewal into eLicensing, including the course number and completion date of continuing education courses taken. Continuing education requirements must be completely satisfied in order to renew through eLicensing (see Continuing Education Requirements for further information).


So, it is definitely my opinion now that Patricia Garrido, whose license expired in 1993. Would have had to renew her license every four years before that
AND COMPLETE ANY CONINUED EDUCATION NECESSARY to do so, which means she was perfectly coherant, (and more than likely quite mobile) from 1981 through at least 1989, the year she would have renewed her license last. So all this sickly crap, sounds to me just like that!
She wasn't drugged, she didn't have dementia, and she is now most definitely suspect as part of this whole deal in my opinon. I find it impossible to believe that a coherant, active person, in this household would not know what was going on and I think any jury would too.

Continuing education classes are so easy that an 11 year old can do it. And if done on the Internet, there is no specified time frame, she can do it when she is lucid. Her kids there could have done it for her.
No big deal I promise.
If done in a class room there are no tests at all not one question. just a time commitment.

this is no proof of someone lucid.

BUT I THINK SHE WAS PRETTY LUSCID, and only had forgetfulness that all of us would have at her age.

 

[kbl8201]

Continuing education classes are so easy that an 11 year old can do it. And if done on the Internet, there is no specified time frame, she can do it when she is lucid.
If done in a class room there are no tests at all not one question. just a time commitment.

are you trying to get angel started on a career already? heh :dance:

 

[Billylee]

Continuing education classes are so easy that an 11 year old can do it. And if done on the Internet, there is no specified time frame, she can do it when she is lucid. Her kids there could have done it for her. no big deal I promiss.
If done in a class room there are no tests at all not one question. just a time commitment.

I didn't say Patricia was smart, though she probably was. (Smarter than she wants anyone to know about anyhow). What i said was she didn't have dementia, she wasn't drugged, and was obviously active. So her excuse of being bed ridden nad not having any idea of what was going on, and Nancy taking care of her back in 1988, is a bunch of baloney!


lol, songline, you must not like realtors much,eh?

 

[Billylee]

Hey Billie... yes, I was in the right years and I did find that info when searching another time. It's there, I'm not questioning that, but this is the third time I've searched and it doesn't come up... I just can't figure out if it's the way I enter the site or what! I know I missed the info the first time, then it was posted here, then I was able to search and find it myself, then I couldn't get it when I went back. Not a big deal as long as it's been found, I just got this "Twilight Zone" feeling!

Funny when I went back there, it disappeared for a minute too! dudududu
(that's supposed by twiglight zone music, but somehow it doesn't come out the same in writing, lol)

 

[kbl8201]

I didn't say Patricia was smart, though she probably was. (Smarter than she wants anyone to know about anyhow). What i said was she didn't have dementia, she wasn't drugged, and was obviously active. So her excuse of being bed ridden nad not having any idea of what was going on, and Nancy taking care of her back in 1988, is a bunch of baloney!


lol, songline, you must not like realtors much,eh?

i really do hope soe wasnt demented till a few years ago.
cause if that had jaycee waiting on some psycho hand and foot for 10 years im really gonna hit the roof.

 

[my2sisters]

Okay, according to the state of CA real estate department. A realtor license is good for four years. To renew the license here's the qualifications:

The secure eLicensing online system offers expedited processing of salesperson and broker license renewals any time or day of the week. eLicensing is easy to use, paperless and interactive. Licensees enter information needed for license renewal into eLicensing, including the course number and completion date of continuing education courses taken. Continuing education requirements must be completely satisfied in order to renew through eLicensing (see Continuing Education Requirements for further information).


So, it is definitely my opinion now that Patricia Garrido, whose license expired in 1993. Would have had to renew her license every four years before that
AND COMPLETE ANY CONINUED EDUCATION NECESSARY to do so, which means she was perfectly coherant, (and more than likely quite mobile) from 1981 through at least 1989, the year she would have renewed her license last. So all this sickly crap, sounds to me just like that!
She wasn't drugged, she didn't have dementia, and she is now most definitely suspect as part of this whole deal in my opinon. I find it impossible to believe that a coherant, active person, in this household would not know what was going on and I think any jury would too.

It may have been different back then. For sure there wasn't the internet access like there is today.

One thing we need to find out is who was her Broker. Since she was just an agent her license would have had to be under a Broker in order for her to legally write any contracts.

I imagine the Contra Costa Board of Realtors would have information on what Realty Office she worked for. For sure the state licensing board would.

 

[songline]

I didn't say Patricia was smart, though she probably was. (Smarter than she wants anyone to know about anyhow). What i said was she didn't have dementia, she wasn't drugged, and was obviously active. So her excuse of being bed ridden nad not having any idea of what was going on, and Nancy taking care of her back in 1988, is a bunch of baloney!


lol, songline, you must not like realtors much,eh?

NOt true I am a Broker who is State certified to teach it.
I love my Broker friends and I love Real Estate.

I know that an 11 year old can pass both the AGENT class & continuing ed. (not the Brokers course - that is bit harder)
ALL I am saying is just because PG passed continuing Ed.
Does not prove that she was smart or lucid....
It is absolutely no evidence of her state of mind....because I know the material.... And I live in NYS where the material is the hardest and most strict in the land....
I also know that some put their kids on the comp to take their continuing ed. because they have no time to do it....
No joke.....

 

[songline]

It may have been different back then. For sure there wasn't the internet access like there is today.

One thing we need to find out is who was her Broker. Since she was just an agent her license would have had to be under a Broker in order for her to legally write any contracts.

I imagine the Contra Costa Board of Realtors would have information on what Realty Office she worked for. For sure the state licensing board would.

They have computerized Real estate before 1995 (cant remember exactly)...
It is true she had to have a broker.. I have no clue what that would prove.
Continuing ed has been on the Internet at least 10 years...
You were able to get them at first for $129..then when competition set in it got as low as $99.
and now it is as low as $79..on some sites.
What it proves I do not know.....

 

[my2sisters]

They have computerized Real estate before 1995 (cant remember exactly)...
It is true she had to have a broker.. I have no clue what that would prove.
Continuing ed has been on the Internet at least 10 years...
You were able to get them at first for $129..then when competition set in it got as low as $99.
and now it is as low as $79..on some sites.
What it proves I do not know.....

Patricia could NOT have renewed her 1989 license online!

Working for a Broker would tell us how active she was and until when, among other things!

 

[time]

Funny when I went back there, it disappeared for a minute too! dudududu
(that's supposed by twiglight zone music, but somehow it doesn't come out the same in writing, lol)

Oh, thank goodnes it isn't just me!

 

[my2sisters]

Funny when I went back there, it disappeared for a minute too! dudududu
(that's supposed by twiglight zone music, but somehow it doesn't come out the same in writing, lol)

Weird! I could have swore I heard your dudududu as the theme song from the Twilight Zone! :crazy:

 

[Stephens]

All child rapists either were raped as children themselves or witnessed child rape as children. I had assumed a man had raped PG as a boy, hence his obsession with rape early on, but now I'm thinking, maybe it was his own mother (Speculation, I know!). At the very least, the woman knew about the abuse PG experienced as a boy. As I mentioned earlier, no batterer all of a sudden starts that behavior: they learn it as boys. So he, at least, saw his father battering his mother as a boy. That's traumatizing.

But I keep wondering why PG singles out his mother to be a knowing partner in such brutality, while he had hardly any, if at all, contact with his father or the rest of his family. It's quite common for children of abuse to be somewhat dependent on their abuser, even in adulthood. Remember how people described the Dugard girls as "clingy?" That's just one immediate example. I mean, why else would she be so accepting of this evil? More importantly, why would he want her to know about it? PG knew that his mother could be trusted with heinous crimes, but wondering why he wanted her to know is what truly haunts me. I think SunnieRN is right: they were continuing their sick, twisted bond.

His continuing, disturbing relationship with his mother is what he leads me to believe Patricia was an also an abuser. And the fact he chose her to be a co-conspirator in this type of crime--child rape--is what points me to believe she was involved in some sort of sexual abuse of him. I mean, it also makes sense as to why he wanted a woman, Nancy, involved in his crimes, which Nancy called a "family," and why even after her son openly admitted in court that not only exposed himself to young girls, but also strongly desired raping them, Patricia Garrido still stood behind her son. It's because she doesn't care he's a child rapist. In fact, she's so cold-blooded that she didn't mind knowing he was holding a girl captive in the backyard and raping her repeatedly. Hell, she could see the victim regularly and still be OK with it. It's staggering!

I pray that they throw this woman behind bars for the sick crimes she refuse to stop, but I just don't see that happening at all. Dugard deserves to have every crime documented and accounted for, whether it was by an elderly woman or a parole officer who refused to do their job.

 

[my2sisters]

All child rapists either were raped as children themselves or witnessed child rape as children. I had assumed a man had raped PG as a boy, hence his obsession with rape early on, but now I'm thinking, maybe it was his own mother (Speculation, I know!). At the very least, the woman knew about the abuse PG experienced as a boy. As I mentioned earlier, no batterer all of a sudden starts that behavior: they learn it as boys. So he, at least, saw his father battering his mother as a boy. That's traumatizing.

But I keep wondering why PG singles out his mother to be a knowing partner in such brutality, while he had hardly any, if at all, contact with his father or the rest of his family. It's quite common for children of abuse to be somewhat dependent on their abuser, even in adulthood. Remember how people described the Dugard girls as "clingy?" That's just one immediate example. I mean, why else would she be so accepting of this evil? More importantly, why would he want her to know about it? PG knew that his mother could be trusted with heinous crimes, but wondering why he wanted her to know is what truly haunts me. I think SunnieRN is right: they were continuing their sick, twisted bond.

His continuing, disturbing relationship with his mother is what he leads me to believe Patricia was an also an abuser. And the fact he chose her to be a co-conspirator in this type of crime--child rape--is what points me to believe she was involved in some sort of sexual abuse of him. I mean, it also makes sense as to why he wanted a woman, Nancy, involved in his crimes, which Nancy called a "family," and why even after her son openly admitted in court that not only exposed himself to young girls, but also strongly desired raping them, Patricia Garrido still stood behind her son. It's because she doesn't care he's a child rapist. In fact, she's so cold-blooded that she didn't mind knowing he was holding a girl captive in the backyard and raping her repeatedly. Hell, she could see the victim regularly and still be OK with it. It's staggering!

I pray that they throw this woman behind bars for the sick crimes she refuse to stop, but I just don't see that happening at all. Dugard deserves to have every crime documented and accounted for, whether it was by an elderly woman or a parole officer who refused to do their job.

I think both you and SunniRN are on to something big here. It's been hard to have professionals sort through the posts to find the important information.

 

[songline]

Patricia could NOT have renewed her 1989 license online!

Working for a Broker would tell us how active she was and until when, among other things!

that is correct but to renew in the 80's or even most of the 90's all you had to do was send in $15.00
no there was NO continuing ed requirement, the course did not exist.
As for how active - some brokers (not all) will hold your license even if you only do one deal a year, or none.

If a broker will tell you how active she was I will eat my computer.... LOL
However a broker will have to tell the authorities IF they are served.

 

[songline]

It has been said PG wanted girls...So while it is true that most rapists have been raped there are other possibilities too.
It could have been he was so angry early on for feeling not accepted by her that he could have used his rage against women, but wanted to bring a girl home to get her approval. He brought Nancy to take care of her and JC to fill her void.
Is it possible that he had been raped - yes. is it possible that PG was the silent partner who knew and did nothing SURE IS.
Is it possible that he knew she would be silent if her brought home someone he was raping, if she was silent before then it is highly probable, he was sure she'd be silent.

But I think this conversation should be in the psychology thread.
Not that I would mind at all if they shut this one down. I'm just saying.... :talker:

 

[Billylee]

NOt true I am a Broker who is State certified to teach it.
I love my Broker friends and I love Real Estate.

I know that an 11 year old can pass both the AGENT class & continuing ed. (not the Brokers course - that is bit harder)
ALL I am saying is just because PG passed continuing Ed.
Does not prove that she was smart or lucid....
It is absolutely no evidence of her state of mind....because I know the material.... And I live in NYS where the material is the hardest and most strict in the land....
I also know that some put their kids on the comp to take their continuing ed. because they have no time to do it....
No joke.....

I'm not doubting you and I'm sure kids could do it, we're just talkin' apples and oranges here. I'm talking dementia here, not intelligence.


Perfect example, I live with a dementia sufferer, and I just now finished helping her write a check and fill out a form for some crossword puzzle books, because she'd forgotten how. She can still work crosswords, meaning the intelligence is still there, but remembering how to do things is a whole different ball game. Patricia Garrido is quoted as saying something to the effect that Nancy moved in to "take care of her". And I believe the neighbor said she was bedridden at the time. That was either 1987 or 1988, if I have the time right. She last renewed her r.e. license in June 23, 1989. Why do that if you have dementia and are bed ridden? Appears to me, that she didn't need taking care of back then, and was NOT suffering from dementia at that time or she wouldn't have been bothering to renew her license even later, in 1989. I'd further guess that she was still selling real estate. (Because, unlike now, it was selling like hotcakes back then. lol) Soooo, my point is Jaycee was kidnapped in June 10, 1991. two years after she renewed her license and unless her dementia was a sudden head injury onset, from tia's or surgery complications, it looks to me like it's a bunch of baloney. I am still trying to find out if she closed any homes between 91 & 93, when her license expired. That I believe will really answer the question about her mental state at the time Jaycee was brought to her home. Not sure where to look for that, however, you being in real estate you would know right?

 

[songline]

I'm not doubting you and I'm sure kids could do it, we're just talkin' apples and oranges here. I'm talking dementia here, not intelligence.


Perfect example, I live with a dementia sufferer, and I just now finished helping her write a check and fill out a form for some crossword puzzle books, because she'd forgotten how. She can still work crosswords, meaning the intelligence is still there, but remembering how to do things is a whole different ball game. Patricia Garrido is quoted as saying something to the effect that Nancy moved in to "take care of her". And I believe the neighbor said she was bedridden at the time. That was either 1987 or 1988, if I have the time right. She last renewed her r.e. license in June 23, 1989. Why do that if you have dementia and are bed ridden? Appears to me, that she didn't need taking care of back then, and was NOT suffering from dementia at that time or she wouldn't have been bothering to renew her license even later, in 1989. I'd further guess that she was still selling real estate. (Because, unlike now, it was selling like hotcakes back then. lol) Soooo, my point is Jaycee was kidnapped in June 10, 1991. two years after she renewed her license and unless her dementia was a sudden head injury onset, from tia's or surgery complications, it looks to me like it's a bunch of baloney. I am still trying to find out if she closed any homes between 91 & 93, when her license expired. That I believe will really answer the question about her mental state at the time Jaycee was brought to her home. Not sure where to look for that, however, you being in real estate you would know right?

Thank you BL...I do know but appreciate your explanation :blowkiss:
Patricia's "ex" who is also PG's father said it is only in the last 6 years that she had developed dementia. (link somewhere on this thread).
That is 12 years after JC was already there. I do not believe anything that Patricia or CM (Molino) have to say.
They have both covered his butt, or their own butt.
I wonder more about ...what are they covering? and are they afraid for themselves?

I am sorry you are living with a person with dementia, that is so hard. Don't let them out of your site, we had a case here in NY recently where a son dropped off his Mom in Church and when he got back to get her she became a missing person...(she was found 72 hours later).
Back to topic....If Patricia was bed ridden when Nancy first arrived IMHO she had the flue or something, but not dementia....

As for my input about RE, someone here insisted that based on the requirements to keep a RE license proves something...I say it does not prove anything at all... so we are not on apples and oranges it proves Nada....

 

[SunnieRN]

All child rapists either were raped as children themselves or witnessed child rape as children. I had assumed a man had raped PG as a boy, hence his obsession with rape early on, but now I'm thinking, maybe it was his own mother (Speculation, I know!). At the very least, the woman knew about the abuse PG experienced as a boy. As I mentioned earlier, no batterer all of a sudden starts that behavior: they learn it as boys. So he, at least, saw his father battering his mother as a boy. That's traumatizing.

But I keep wondering why PG singles out his mother to be a knowing partner in such brutality, while he had hardly any, if at all, contact with his father or the rest of his family. It's quite common for children of abuse to be somewhat dependent on their abuser, even in adulthood. Remember how people described the Dugard girls as "clingy?" That's just one immediate example. I mean, why else would she be so accepting of this evil? More importantly, why would he want her to know about it? PG knew that his mother could be trusted with heinous crimes, but wondering why he wanted her to know is what truly haunts me. I think SunnieRN is right: they were continuing their sick, twisted bond.

His continuing, disturbing relationship with his mother is what he leads me to believe Patricia was an also an abuser. And the fact he chose her to be a co-conspirator in this type of crime--child rape--is what points me to believe she was involved in some sort of sexual abuse of him. I mean, it also makes sense as to why he wanted a woman, Nancy, involved in his crimes, which Nancy called a "family," and why even after her son openly admitted in court that not only exposed himself to young girls, but also strongly desired raping them, Patricia Garrido still stood behind her son. It's because she doesn't care he's a child rapist. In fact, she's so cold-blooded that she didn't mind knowing he was holding a girl captive in the backyard and raping her repeatedly. Hell, she could see the victim regularly and still be OK with it. It's staggering!

I pray that they throw this woman behind bars for the sick crimes she refuse to stop, but I just don't see that happening at all. Dugard deserves to have every crime documented and accounted for, whether it was by an elderly woman or a parole officer who refused to do their job.

The first clue to me that something was "off" was when I first read pg's statement that he slept with "those girls in my arms every night but I never touched them". That by itself is child abuse unless it is a "family bed" which some families believe in. This would include the entire family, Mom, Dad and children. This is different than pg holding his daughters in his arms every night. This man is a RSO.

What would cause any other adult to condone or look away from this type of behavior? Where did patricia think pg was every night when he was out back with the girls? Was this behavior she initiated with pg as he was growing up? This would be a plausible explanation as to why she could accept this from her son. Remember his Dad's statements that patricia always let get away with everything, stating, she believed he could do no wrong. Sounds like jealousy in his statements, to me. Maybe this jealousy could be an important motivator for testimony as he has stated he knows she had to have known about everything. Ummm ya think?

patricia HAD to have seen a pregnant Jaycee on at LEAST several occasions. After that, a child suddenly appears and is kept in the backyard with Jaycee....ummmmm....yea...... right.... NOT! A brand new baby, that her son fathered with a woman that would abandon her to a RSO to raise? A son that is married to her caregiver, cheated on her caregiver and brought the baby home to be raised by the daughter from another mother, that abandoned her to a RSO. Oh, and it happend AGAIN, 4 years later? Don't know ANYONE that has had "dementia for 6 years" that could rationalize the treatment/raising of a baby like this. Remember, Jaycees oldest daughter is 15, plus 9 months of pregnancy. 15 - 6 = yea, conspiracy to aide in kidnapping, rape and confinement against ones will of a minor child! Younger daughter 11 - 6, plus 9 months pregnancy. Ring, ring, HUGE clue phone LE!!

It has been said PG wanted girls...So while it is true that most rapists have been raped there are other possibilities too.
It could have been he was so angry early on for feeling not accepted by her that he could have used his rage against women, but wanted to bring a girl home to get her approval. He brought Nancy to take care of her and JC to fill her void.
Is it possible that he had been raped - yes. is it possible that PG was the silent partner who knew and did nothing SURE IS.
Is it possible that he knew she would be silent if her brought home someone he was raping, if she was silent before then it is highly probable, he was sure she'd be silent.

But I think this conversation should be in the psychology thread.
Not that I would mind at all if they shut this one down. I'm just saying.... :talker:

I think her silence was a given. Even if before his arrival she would have been against the crimes he have been commited, the moment Jaycee was taken and brought to Antioch, patricia became an accessory. One thing pg had tp keep patricia in line.

I think the psychology thread is a great tool, but I think that patricias' guilt or innocence is a relevant subject also.

 

[JBean]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]License Type:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]SALESPERSON

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Name:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Garrido, Patricia Lucille

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Mailing Address:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]RT 1 BOX 397E 1554 WALNUT AVE
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]ANTIOCH, CA 94509

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]License ID:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]00596372

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Expiration Date:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]06/27/93

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]License Status:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]EXPIRED

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Salesperson License Issued:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]05/26/77 (Unofficial -- taken from secondary records)

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Former Name(s):
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Garrido, Patricia Lucille

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Franzen, Patricia Lucille Garrido

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Employing Broker:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]NO CURRENT EMPLOYING BROKER

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Comment:
http://www2.dre.ca.gov/PublicASP/pplinfo.asp?License_id=00596372[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS[/FONT]