Patsy is innocent.

In my opinion Garnett never implied that an IDI. It is odd that initially he said he wanted to point at the person in a courtroom. But then later said charges will never be filed. He says that is because the scene was so corrupted and so many mistakes made in the first hours.

kaykay543,
In my opinion Garnett never implied that an IDI.
I agree, yet he never ruled it out. Then you have to consider is he also covering for BR by implicating JR?

Although charges might never be filed, we know enough about the case to think its JDI or BDI, and once more forensic evidence is released it will swing the case one way or the other.

Even an absence of evidence will tell a story.

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David Rogers,
Who thinks the wine-cellar setup is a staged crime-scene, as it patently never benefited Patsy, since she left her forensic evidence all over the wine-cellar?

Burke at such a young age does not appear to be so worldly-wise to construct such a staging?

That leaves JR, the father whose narrative surrounding JonBenet's death continues to change.


The investigation has Cold Case Status. Legally this prevents the release of evidence that might be produced in court.

Some consider the Cold Case Status as a political move as it prevents closure?

Without three doctors agreeing that JonBenet had been acutely sexually assaulted at the time of her death, PDI might be a favorite front runner.

The case seems to be what it looks like : a young girl sexually assaulted then silenced via death, followed by a staged crime-scene?

The curious thing here is that given the estimated time of death Burke Ramsey will know who killed JonBenet.

Once JR leaves this earth, will Burke tell us in some yet to be published TV documentary who did it?

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How is Patsy all over the wine cellar?
 
I used to be BDI. But now I don't think so. If BR did it--no one would have kept investigating all these years. What would be the point since he couldn't be convicted? Why would they keep testing DNA if BR did it? Doesn't make sense to me. I also do not believe BR would have done the Dr Phil show if he had killed her.

PR wrote the ransom note. The note shows a huge amount of anger focused on JR. The two wouldn't even be near each other (and barely spoke to each other) the day she died. JR found the body. I think he couldn't take it anymore that no one had found the body; so he found her to get it over with.

Much has been made that JBR was previously assaulted digitally (or with an item) and not with a penis. So some think that excludes JR as the one abusing her. Pedophiles typically groom a young child by going in slow methodical steps. Especially when it is someone in the family as they have all the time in the world to keep abusing them. Many mothers typically deny what they knew was happening right under their own nose. They don't want to deal with the public shame and losing the life they are living.

I am not sure which one actually killed her. But to me it doesn't matter anymore as they are both equally culpable. To me the one that covered it up (and failed to protect JBR) is no better than the one that actually killed her.

No one is actively investigating this case. Detectives aren’t doing experiments like you see on Forensic Files. They aren’t hunting down new leads. For example, have investigators analyzed the blood spatter evidence on the pink nightgown balled up next to JBR with Burke’s DNA all over it? The cut-outs seem to be spots of blood rather than transfer. If so, this indicates she was wearing her favorite nightgown when she was assaulted that night. This means the Ramseys lied about what JBR wore to bed that night. Simply put, that solves the case as to if there was an intruder or not. The Ramseys would have no reason to lie about what she wore that night if they were truly innocent.
 
I used to be BDI. But now I don't think so. If BR did it--no one would have kept investigating all these years. What would be the point since he couldn't be convicted? Why would they keep testing DNA if BR did it? Doesn't make sense to me. I also do not believe BR would have done the Dr Phil show if he had killed her.

Who’s investigating?

BR DNA is all over her bloody nightgown.

BR got paid in the millions for his interview. Team Ramsey had to jot out BR on the rigged Dr. P show so they could attempt to paint the narrative before the damning CBS Docu-series/reinvestigation aired.

BR flat out lied and misdirected on the Dr. Phil show.
 

In my opinion there was never an intruder so I don't even consider that. I firmly believe PR wrote the RN. And I agree with you that she lied about what JBR wore to bed. Those 2 things alone tell me there was no intruder.

I no longer think BDI because of statements that Garnett made. He said he knows who did it. He said he wanted to point a finger at the person in court. And then he said charges will probably never be filed.

To ME that only fits JR. I also don't think LW would have ever let BR do Dr Phil if he had any doubt at all that BDI. I do think BR knows what happened.

I think many people have a really hard time believing a parent (or parents) would kill their own child in such a horrible way. But unfortunately it happens every all the time.

I really do wonder what information will finally come out when he passes away.
 
Who’s investigating?

BR DNA is all over her bloody nightgown.

BR got paid in the millions for his interview. Team Ramsey had to jot out BR on the rigged Dr. P show so they could attempt to paint the narrative before the damning CBS Docu-series/reinvestigation aired.

BR flat out lied and misdirected on the Dr. Phil show.

I totally agree that BR lied on that show (and in some instances finally told the truth). No doubt about it. But for LW to put him out there (knowing he's guilty) would almost be malpractice. It's just not something the attorney's I know would ever do. I don't think millions matters to BR. IMO they matter much more to JR than BR. He's the only always talking about being broke because of this tragedy.

For sure BR doing the Dr Phil show hurt his credibility tremendously. It was a horrible decision probably made by LW and JR. My take is BR probably had no say in being on that show. I would bet that BR would rather stay "out of sight out of mind" as he had done all those years previous.
 
I totally agree that BR lied on that show (and in some instances finally told the truth). No doubt about it. But for LW to put him out there (knowing he's guilty) would almost be malpractice. It's just not something the attorney's I know would ever do. I don't think millions matters to BR. IMO they matter much more to JR than BR. He's the only always talking about being broke because of this tragedy.

For sure BR doing the Dr Phil show hurt his credibility tremendously. It was a horrible decision probably made by LW and JR. My take is BR probably had no say in being on that show. I would bet that BR would rather stay "out of sight out of mind" as he had done all those years previous.
Yes, JR is the man behind the curtain. JR has everything
to lose. BR not as much. JR must protect the lie at all costs. He is the one that started the whole lie way back 22 years ago.

The cover-up is bigger than you can imagine. Wood is protecting the lie as well.

Had BR not surfaced during the 20th anniversary than the spotlight and heat would have been greater upon him. He had to do it.
 
I totally agree that BR lied on that show (and in some instances finally told the truth). No doubt about it. But for LW to put him out there (knowing he's guilty) would almost be malpractice. It's just not something the attorney's I know would ever do. I don't think millions matters to BR. IMO they matter much more to JR than BR. He's the only always talking about being broke because of this tragedy.

For sure BR doing the Dr Phil show hurt his credibility tremendously. It was a horrible decision probably made by LW and JR. My take is BR probably had no say in being on that show. I would bet that BR would rather stay "out of sight out of mind" as he had done all those years previous.
It was a rare mistake by Wood and Team Ramsey. Trotting our BR before the CBS Doc left no question as to if BR was or is a public figure.
 
In my opinion there was never an intruder so I don't even consider that. I firmly believe PR wrote the RN. And I agree with you that she lied about what JBR wore to bed. Those 2 things alone tell me there was no intruder.

I no longer think BDI because of statements that Garnett made. He said he knows who did it. He said he wanted to point a finger at the person in court. And then he said charges will probably never be filed.

To ME that only fits JR. I also don't think LW would have ever let BR do Dr Phil if he had any doubt at all that BDI. I do think BR knows what happened.

I think many people have a really hard time believing a parent (or parents) would kill their own child in such a horrible way. But unfortunately it happens every all the time.

I really do wonder what information will finally come out when he passes away.
I believe Garnett was referring to BR when he said that.

When you look at the totality of the evidence I believe you can eliminate both parents as the killer.
 
I believe Garnett was referring to BR when he said that.

When you look at the totality of the evidence I believe you can eliminate both parents as the killer.
I just can't let them off the hook. This is my opinion: I believe JR did it but needed PR to help him cover it up so.... he runs upstairs, wakes up PR and tells her JBR is dead and that he thinks BDI. Not wanting her son to go to prison or have something like this over his head throughout his life, she helps JR cover it up.

JMO
 
I believe Garnett was referring to BR when he said that.

When you look at the totality of the evidence I believe you can eliminate both parents as the killer.

See I really think he is referring to JR because even if it was BR he wouldn't be able to point a finger at him in court?

I was pretty sure it was BDI until I read all of that in 2016. My biggest reason why was BR saying he felt safe at home when interviewed. Which is just crazy given his sister had just been murdered at home. I figured he felt safe because he did it. This case just drives me crazy!!!
 
I just can't let them off the hook. This is my opinion: I believe JR did it but needed PR to help him cover it up so.... he runs upstairs, wakes up PR and tells her JBR is dead and that he thinks BDI. Not wanting her son to go to prison or have something like this over his head throughout his life, she helps JR cover it up.

JMO

Thank you for mentioning another option in theories, that PR was pulled into the cover-up because of a lie. The problem for all of us is confirmation bias, being locked in to look at the case through our theories and only see what supports our theory. BTW, your theory is similar to Ann Rule’s idea of the crime.

From my viewpoint in listening to Beckner, Kolar, and ST, all the BPD and DA’s offices have ever had were theories. The cover-up is obvious with the fibers and the RN. However, without forensic evidence on the instruments of her death, to clearly point to the perpetrator, plus with a contaminated crime scene, all they could produce were True Bills that JB was an abused child and that the Rs covered up for whoever did the killing. I call it “lowest common denominator” True Bills – it included everyone as a possible killer, even an intruder.

Well, I take my first sentence of the above paragraph back if one is to believe the Grand Juror who spoke in Dec. 2016. They had one piece of evidence which they thought pointed to the killer. But the Grand Juror didn’t believe it was strong enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

As far as whether the DNA testing will bring about anything conclusive, I’ve no idea. I found it interesting that the CBI spokesperson addressed that the new sensitive DNA testing gives the possibility of being able to separate out familial DNA. If an adult’s DNA were revealed on a vaginal swab, e.g., one would not necessarily need to prove the molester is the killer (although it does contribute to a motive). One can simply keep in mind that, like murder, there’s no SoL on the crime of sexual abuse. Of course, this law does not apply to a minor under age 10.
2.2. No statute of limitations for sexual abuse
In addition, if the sexual contact is part of a pattern of sexual abuse, there is no statute of limitations on the crime. This means that you can be prosecuted for it at any time, regardless of how long ago the abuse occurred.
 
I do think JR did it, and either threatened PR to help him cover it up, or claimed BR did it, and PR would not want to lose two children, so she did everything she could to cover it up. The particular thing that stands out to me as being staged is the garret used. Why would a device needed to be used to strangle a defenseless child, especially after the blow to the head?
 
I do think JR did it, and either threatened PR to help him cover it up, or claimed BR did it, and PR would not want to lose two children, so she did everything she could to cover it up. The particular thing that stands out to me as being staged is the garret used. Why would a device needed to be used to strangle a defenseless child, especially after the blow to the head?

nd1313,
Why would a device needed to be used to strangle a defenseless child, especially after the blow to the head?
Well spotted, and the answer I think is staging

Consider:

Excerpt from Crime Scene Staging 2017, Pub. Thomas Books, Chapter 1. The Concept of Staging - Historic and Famous Examples
The entire world’s media attention was drawn to Boulder Colorado and the Christmas 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsay, the precocious six year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman who was murdered inside her home. The case was initiated when the parents called the police reporting their daughter’s abduction, based on a two-and-half-page ransom note supposedly left behind by the kidnappers. Hours later, in a search of the residence, JonBenet was found dead in a small room in the basement. An autopsy revealed she had a skull fracture and suffered ligature strangulation. The affluence of the parents, the strange nature of the crime, and her participation in many child beauty pageants, which were documented by hundreds of photographs and videos of her, fueled the media interest in this story. When she was found, she also had a ligature around her wrist as if she had been tied up sometime during the incident. America was soon divided into two camps; one believing the parents were involved and the other believing someone else entered the house and murdered JonBenet while her parents and her brother were asleep. When considering the below listed factors, this crime is consistent with a staged event. As in the Sam Sheppard case earlier, the exact motive for the murder is still not clear and leaves many questions unanswered.

• If this was a kidnapping, then why leave the body behind to be found?

• Wouldn’t killing their victim eliminate any chance to recover the ransom?

• If the motive was sexual assault, then why was there no evidence of a sexual assault present on her body or at the scene?

• Perhaps the biggest question of all is why leave the hand written note behind since it only served to provide the police their only real forensic evidence?

• Moreover, why leave the note if no kidnapping took place and the victim is left behind deceased in the residence?

In this case, we see some of the same findings as in the Sam Sheppard and Jeffrey MacDonald cases, where we have an offender who was so clever, they managed to enter the victim’s house undetected and left without leaving any signs of their presence. In this case, the offender also had enough knowledge of the house to find his way up a flight of stairs to JonBenet’s second-floor bedroom, was able to remove her from her bed without causing her to wake up or prevented her from calling out, and ultimately move her down two flights of stairs into the basement. At some time after she was removed from her bedroom, she ate some pineapple (pineapple was found in her stomach at autopsy and her parents denied giving her any). Sometime later, she suffered blunt force trauma to her head, fracturing her skull and was then strangled using two different ligatures; the material of which both came from within the house. She was then wrapped up in a blanket and placed into another basement room. At some time during the incident, the offender also had to write the two-and-half-page ransom note and leave it on the stairs where it was found. But, this same clever offender was so unprepared and the crime so unplanned that everything used in the commission of the crime originated from the
scene. The hand-written note was written from a pen that was recovered by police inside the kitchen and the paper came from a writing tablet that was also in the kitchen area. It was also unlike any ransom note the FBI had ever seen. Normally, a ransom note is very short and to the point. The
note left behind by the suspect was almost a manifesto. Lastly, but normally an initial consideration during an investigation, is, exactly what was the motive behind the entire incident? Sexual assault? Kidnapping? Even today, the exact motive behind the entire incident is still unclear, but the only real crime that was committed was JonBenet’s murder.

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I do think JR did it, and either threatened PR to help him cover it up, or claimed BR did it, and PR would not want to lose two children, so she did everything she could to cover it up. The particular thing that stands out to me as being staged is the garret used. Why would a device needed to be used to strangle a defenseless child, especially after the blow to the head?

To cover up the blow to the head. Keep in mind everyone was shocked when they did the autopsy. There was no sign of the head injury until the autopsy
 
Thank you for mentioning another option in theories, that PR was pulled into the cover-up because of a lie. The problem for all of us is confirmation bias, being locked in to look at the case through our theories and only see what supports our theory. BTW, your theory is similar to Ann Rule’s idea of the crime.

From my viewpoint in listening to Beckner, Kolar, and ST, all the BPD and DA’s offices have ever had were theories. The cover-up is obvious with the fibers and the RN. However, without forensic evidence on the instruments of her death, to clearly point to the perpetrator, plus with a contaminated crime scene, all they could produce were True Bills that JB was an abused child and that the Rs covered up for whoever did the killing. I call it “lowest common denominator” True Bills – it included everyone as a possible killer, even an intruder.

Well, I take my first sentence of the above paragraph back if one is to believe the Grand Juror who spoke in Dec. 2016. They had one piece of evidence which they thought pointed to the killer. But the Grand Juror didn’t believe it was strong enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

As far as whether the DNA testing will bring about anything conclusive, I’ve no idea. I found it interesting that the CBI spokesperson addressed that the new sensitive DNA testing gives the possibility of being able to separate out familial DNA. If an adult’s DNA were revealed on a vaginal swab, e.g., one would not necessarily need to prove the molester is the killer (although it does contribute to a motive). One can simply keep in mind that, like murder, there’s no SoL on the crime of sexual abuse. Of course, this law does not apply to a minor under age 10.
2.2. No statute of limitations for sexual abuse
In addition, if the sexual contact is part of a pattern of sexual abuse, there is no statute of limitations on the crime. This means that you can be prosecuted for it at any time, regardless of how long ago the abuse occurred.
I that maybe true now. What were the statute of limitations at the time of the murder.
 
I that maybe true now. What were the statute of limitations at the time of the murder.

The Colorado statute, passed in 2006 and applied to a sexual assault after July 1996, read:
Section 16-5-401 (1) (a), C.R.S. Applies to Crimes Committed BEFORE JULY The bill took effect on July 1, 2006, and applies to offenses that were committed on or after July 1, 1996.

Another legal guideline contained an interesting clarification pertaining to timelines and evidence established from DNA:
The Prosecution of sexual assault must commence within 10 years of the crime’s commission or, if the victim is a minor at the time of the offense, within 10 years after the victim reaches the age of 18. ***There is no time limit for the prosecution of sexual assault if the identity of the suspect is determined by forensic DNA evidence. *** The time limit for most other felonies is three years after the commission of the crime.

There's a similar statute on the federal books, but I don't know when it became law. When the offense involves sexual abuse of a child, prosecution for such crimes may be brought at any time under 18 U.S.C. § 3299


 
The Colorado statute, passed in 2006 and applied to a sexual assault after July 1996, read:
Section 16-5-401 (1) (a), C.R.S. Applies to Crimes Committed BEFORE JULY The bill took effect on July 1, 2006, and applies to offenses that were committed on or after July 1, 1996.

Another legal guideline contained an interesting clarification pertaining to timelines and evidence established from DNA:
The Prosecution of sexual assault must commence within 10 years of the crime’s commission or, if the victim is a minor at the time of the offense, within 10 years after the victim reaches the age of 18. ***There is no time limit for the prosecution of sexual assault if the identity of the suspect is determined by forensic DNA evidence. *** The time limit for most other felonies is three years after the commission of the crime.

There's a similar statute on the federal books, but I don't know when it became law. When the offense involves sexual abuse of a child, prosecution for such crimes may be brought at any time under 18 U.S.C. § 3299
That is interesting they made it retroactive to the year JonBenet was murdered and assaulted.
 

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