Patsy is innocent.

[Disgusted]

December 23, 2016 Stan Garnett was interviewed: Prosecutor vows to solve JonBenet Ramsey murder after retesting crime scene DNA

"District Attorney Stan Garnett – the prosecutor for Boulder County, Colorado USA – has revealed to news.com.au he hopes to go to trial so he can point the finger at the six-year-old’s murderer."

He hopes to go to trial. BDI cant go to trial. Everything is off the table but murder, meaning Garnett isn't BDI.

"Asked if he thought he knew who killed JonBenet, Mr Garnett replied,“I do.” He added:“If we can ever file a case in open court, I’ll tell the world.” "

Once again, this statement doesn't infer BDI.

"The DA last week announced he was retesting DNA evidence from the 20-year-old crime scene using the latest techniques, but warned he would need “several different pieces of evidence to come together” to prosecute."

Neither does this. He can only prosecute for murder at this stage of the game.

The only person he can be referring to is John.

Absolutely incorrect.

The above referenced "interview" has been thoroughly debunked.

Stan Garnett NEVER said those quotes. The "news" site you are quoting is notorious for bogus news and made up bullcrap.

It really needs to stop being regurgitated here to support pet theories.

 

[Disgusted]

When I read this awhile back was when it dawned on me that it couldn't be BDI.

Incorrect. The referenced news article is bogus.

Stan Garnett never made those statements.

 

[kaykay543]

Incorrect. The referenced news article is bogus.

Stan Garnett never made those statements.

Link to proof? I will gladly take it back if Garnett didn't say that. Its not on one newsite its on many news sites

 

[mickey2942]

I don't think that we have the true picture of who was in the house that night. We have no corroboration, except for PR, JR, who were obviously in on the cover up. That is the crux of this situation. Why did the police even focus on them? Because they were the ones who stated the scenario.

PR knew who did it, and was involved in the coverup. It was not JR or BR. Think, who else could have been there, that the family would cover for?

 

[UKGuy]

Link to proof? I will gladly take it back if Garnett didn't say that. Its not on one newsite its on many news sites

kaykay543,
He probably said it. Surely you can recognize good copy when you see it? That was Garnett doing a headline, etc. Its more or less mandatory in the JonBenet case.

Its a non sequitur to draw any conclusion by him saying he wants to point at JonBenet's killer in court, why because any DA would have to, not just him.

What if he points at a Ham Sandwich? Whomever he puts in the dock can have fingers pointed at them.

Pointing a Finger is just a legal rhetorical flourish, Garnett knew exactly what he was saying, he knows how to play to the court, hell that's why he is/was DA.

Anyway, assuming Patsy did the wine-cellar staging, she likely finished JonBenet off by affixing the knotted ligature. In the grand scheme of things its probably a moot point, since everyone has their favorite theory as to who kicked it all off.

IMO since the sexual assault was covered up and JonBenet was wiped down, I'm assuming it was for real and not fake, meaning a male sexually assaulted JonBenet.

Assuming the case is not IDI that leaves BDI or RDI and its difficult to rule either out, other than BR as a child seems the less suspect of the two.

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[UKGuy]

I don't think that we have the true picture of who was in the house that night. We have no corroboration, except for PR, JR, who were obviously in on the cover up. That is the crux of this situation. Why did the police even focus on them? Because they were the ones who stated the scenario.

PR knew who did it, and was involved in the coverup. It was not JR or BR. Think, who else could have been there, that the family would cover for?

mickey2942,
All three ramsey's covered for each other. I reckon they all knew who killed JonBenet, they had to otherwise they would make serious mistakes when being interviewed.

The case is straight forward someone sexually assaulted JonBenet, used blunt force to her skull, then asphyxiated her.

That's a classic description of a male modus operandi, next to no females behave like that they prefer more subtle methods.

IMO the case is either BDI or JDI.

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[mickey2942]

Nope, there was someone else in the house that night. A male. And they covered for him. He left after JB was dead, and JB, PR came up with a story. That is why JB pretty much destroyed the crime scene by picking up JB, when he "found" her.

Why do you believe that there was no one else in the house that night?

 

[UKGuy]

Nope, there was someone else in the house that night. A male. And they covered for him. He left after JB was dead, and JB, PR came up with a story. That is why JB pretty much destroyed the crime scene by picking up JB, when he "found" her.

Why do you believe that there was no one else in the house that night?

mickey2942,
You must establish beyond doubt another male was in the house that night, to date this has never been done.

The dna forensic evidence is a mix of different dna profiles, actually suggesting multiple strangers were in the house that night?

Was this the case, not really, its patently touch-dna transferred by accident, etc.

Apart from the touch-dna there is no other forensic evidence that was left by an intruder, get that Zero !

That's why I believe that there was no one else in the house that night.

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[mickey2942]

The scene was cleaned up and staged before the Boulder Keystone Cops were involved. And based on their complete buffoonery, I have no basis to even validate that their findings regarding the crime scene security are even worth evidentiary review.

 

[mickey2942]

https://www.ifscolorado.com/fabrica...denver-district-attorney-mitchel-r-morrissey/

 

[Waterdog]

I don't think that we have the true picture of who was in the house that night. We have no corroboration, except for PR, JR, who were obviously in on the cover up. That is the crux of this situation. Why did the police even focus on them? Because they were the ones who stated the scenario.

PR knew who did it, and was involved in the coverup. It was not JR or BR. Think, who else could have been there, that the family would cover for?

I've had this nagging feeling for awhile that it was possibly either BR's friend or JR's oldest son.

 

[mickey2942]

I've had this nagging feeling for awhile that it was possibly either BR's friend or JR's oldest son.

There are many options, and I think that the police did their usual focus, the parents. I watched Patti during those interviews, she was drugged to the hilt. I used to think she killed JBR, but I think that it is far more involved than that. They were covering up for someone, I think another male was in the house, someone they would cover for...what occurred was something odd.

I have no idea who you would cover up for, someone who killed your child, but something wasn't right in that house that night.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Burke did the Dr Phil interview for money and grown-up fame.

Because most people wouldn't know what he currently looked like since he was a kid when all of this took place.

I probably could see him at a movie theater and still not recognize him.

But he would probably swear that I know who he is.

 

[Waterdog]

There are many options, and I think that the police did their usual focus, the parents. I watched Patti during those interviews, she was drugged to the hilt. I used to think she killed JBR, but I think that it is far more involved than that. They were covering up for someone, I think another male was in the house, someone they would cover for...what occurred was something odd.

I have no idea who you would cover up for, someone who killed your child, but something wasn't right in that house that night.

Family.

 

[UKGuy]

Burke did the Dr Phil interview for money and grown-up fame.

Because most people wouldn't know what he currently looked like since he was a kid when all of this took place.

I probably could see him at a movie theater and still not recognize him.

But he would probably swear that I know who he is.

DexterMorgan,
I'll bet Burke never wanted to do that interview. Looks to me like he was told to do it. It was a response to the CBS Documentaries, and the only real new information is that he said he snuck back downstairs to play with a toy?

Seems he is covering his tracks to cover allegations made on the unaired CBS Show. Dr Phil was picked specifically to redeem Burke, thats Dr Phils specialty, he Brands people for legal exposure.

Guess what it never worked, Burke's lack of empathy for JonBenet and his Look I Can Smile grinning made viewers wince.

What we do not know is was/is Burke a shareholder in any of the company's that partnered up to make the interviews and sell the rights around the world, in short did Burke get a piece of the cake?

Burke has never struck me as a techie geek, he does not look like someone who knows what Turing Complete or Lambda Closure mean.

Like son of a millionaire is a microprocessor serf bound to Microsoft's Visual Studio or Googles equivalent punching out code for someone else, thats not how the Ramsey's operate, e.g. the company JR used to sell the image rights on his Dr Phil interview was not named Ramsey Inc.

The interesting question is why would Burke go public after all these years hiding in the shadows and allowing John to deal with the media?

If he is innocent and not involved then why bother becoming a public figure, surely he can tell John to go away and not bother him?

So there is more to the case than appears on the surface !

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[NanaNZA]

The scene was cleaned up and staged before the Boulder Keystone Cops were involved. And based on their complete buffoonery, I have no basis to even validate that their findings regarding the crime scene security are even worth evidentiary review.

I just can't let this go. The BPD did make mistakes early, there is no disputing that. They did not secure the scene and they allowed so much contamination in that house. However, as you said, the cleanup and staging occurred before JonBenet's body was even found. So, up front, this case became one of circumstantial evidence. Cases can be won on circumstantial evidence, but juries these days want that DNA evidence, and in this case, since they all lived there, there is no way to get around their DNA being anywhere and everywhere in that house beyond a reasonable doubt. Then you have multiple experts having opinions on every aspect of the crime, so that muddies the waters further.
Since DAY 1, BPD officers have been thrwarted by the Boulder District Attorney's office at every turn by being instructed on how to treat the Ramseys, and by not allowing BPD to acquire critical evidence (medical records, cell phone records, clothing, etc.) in the case, and that is just the tip of the iceberg; If there was ever a case riddled with collusion, it is this one. Team Ramsey and the Boulder DA ensured that this case would never reach a courtroom..IMO

 

[Cottonstar]

I just can't let this go. The BPD did make mistakes early, there is no disputing that. They did not secure the scene and they allowed so much contamination in that house. However, as you said, the cleanup and staging occurred before JonBenet's body was even found. So, up front, this case became one of circumstantial evidence. Cases can be won on circumstantial evidence, but juries these days want that DNA evidence, and in this case, since they all lived there, there is no way to get around their DNA being anywhere and everywhere in that house beyond a reasonable doubt. Then you have multiple experts having opinions on every aspect of the crime, so that muddies the waters further.
Since DAY 1, BPD officers have been thrwarted by the Boulder District Attorney's office at every turn by being instructed on how to treat the Ramseys, and by not allowing BPD to acquire critical evidence (medical records, cell phone records, clothing, etc.) in the case, and that is just the tip of the iceberg; If there was ever a case riddled with collusion, it is this one. Team Ramsey and the Boulder DA ensured that this case would never reach a courtroom..IMO

Not just your opinion. This is the truth.

 

[UKGuy]

I just can't let this go. The BPD did make mistakes early, there is no disputing that. They did not secure the scene and they allowed so much contamination in that house. However, as you said, the cleanup and staging occurred before JonBenet's body was even found. So, up front, this case became one of circumstantial evidence. Cases can be won on circumstantial evidence, but juries these days want that DNA evidence, and in this case, since they all lived there, there is no way to get around their DNA being anywhere and everywhere in that house beyond a reasonable doubt. Then you have multiple experts having opinions on every aspect of the crime, so that muddies the waters further.
Since DAY 1, BPD officers have been thrwarted by the Boulder District Attorney's office at every turn by being instructed on how to treat the Ramseys, and by not allowing BPD to acquire critical evidence (medical records, cell phone records, clothing, etc.) in the case, and that is just the tip of the iceberg; If there was ever a case riddled with collusion, it is this one. Team Ramsey and the Boulder DA ensured that this case would never reach a courtroom..IMO

NanaNZA,
Was all this Keystone Cops stuff by BPD simply incompetence as alleged by JR on Dr Phil, i.e. Linda Arndt should never have been on the case, or was it direct collusion, e.g. a conspiracy?

John Ramsey had been given a new mobile phone by Patsy just before Christmas, so that could have been used Christmas Night or the following morning to phone anyone?

The conspiracy might be a legal one, to make sure Burke Ramsey is not connected directly with the death of his sister?

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[NanaNZA]

NanaNZA,
Was all this Keystone Cops stuff by BPD simply incompetence as alleged by JR on Dr Phil, i.e. Linda Arndt should never have been on the case, or was it direct collusion, e.g. a conspiracy?

John Ramsey had been given a new mobile phone by Patsy just before Christmas, so that could have been used Christmas Night or the following morning to phone anyone?

The conspiracy might be a legal one, to make sure Burke Ramsey is not connected directly with the death of his sister?

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UK Guy, Weren't cell phone records for a cell phone turned over but December calls were gone? And one cell phone went missing? And one of the Ramsey's cell phones was being by BPD that morning?
I like the theory that it was a conspiracy to keep BR from being directly connected to the murder. Once they found out he could not be charged, it
didn't matter because (1) they still had to protect him (and them) from public shame, (2) they knew that it was their fault, (3) they had already changed the crime scene and obstructed justice, and (4) knew that their remaining child could be taken away from them.
My problem with all of this is that why did the DAs care so much about the Ramseys? If they had proof that BR accidentally killed his sister and can't be charged, that should have been the end of it, right? But it wasn't. They were so taken in by the Ramseys; or were they afraid of them? or did they really truly believe the intruder theory?
If JR did call someone in those early morning hours, this conspiracy started way before I thought..are you opining that a female detective was dispatched to have a perhaps a "softer" presence? She did seem to connect with PR. She made some crucial mistakes that morning.-imo

 

[UKGuy]

UK Guy, Weren't cell phone records for a cell phone turned over but December calls were gone? And one cell phone went missing? And one of the Ramsey's cell phones was being by BPD that morning?
I like the theory that it was a conspiracy to keep BR from being directly connected to the murder. Once they found out he could not be charged, it
didn't matter because (1) they still had to protect him (and them) from public shame, (2) they knew that it was their fault, (3) they had already changed the crime scene and obstructed justice, and (4) knew that their remaining child could be taken away from them.
My problem with all of this is that why did the DAs care so much about the Ramseys? If they had proof that BR accidentally killed his sister and can't be charged, that should have been the end of it, right? But it wasn't. They were so taken in by the Ramseys; or were they afraid of them? or did they really truly believe the intruder theory?
If JR did call someone in those early morning hours, this conspiracy started way before I thought..are you opining that a female detective was dispatched to have a perhaps a "softer" presence? She did seem to connect with PR. She made some crucial mistakes that morning.-imo

NanaNZA,

They only got phone records for a limited period. BPD or the DA said that's all there was, but peoples phone records, i.e. numbers called etc are kept forever. Maybe in a 100 hundred years they might just delete them but current stuff thats archived, same with all the internet records. An ISP I used to subscribe to went out of business years ago, so no public records are available but the UK Govt had all the data transferred to its archives !

The DA probably did not care about Ramsey's but had a legal duty to protect BR, even if not a suspect, so some kind deal or dialog had to take place betwen the DA and the Ramsey's.

They never believed the Intruder Theory that's likely an implicitly sanctioned explanation, e.g. Lou Smit's psychopathic intruder, so to give a backdrop to the investigation. Its good for the LEA business it keeps people in a job, pays the mortgage, etc.

Neither Steve Thomas or Linda Arndt had any homicide case experience that's the issue, so was that bad luck for the BPD as it led to unintentional incompetence, I reckon the LEA officers were well intentioned people, but were they on the case by accident or design, it was Christmas?

The takeaway is that there had to be a legal decision taken on what was said about BR in public, Colorado Statute has rules on this.

Like you say, why did they bother if it was an open and shut case? I reckon it crossed over into a quasi-legal conspiracy, consider Hunter's action on the GJ True Bills, basically he buried the GJ's determination, that was calculated !

IMO if the case is PDI or JDI I doubt they would have buried the outcome !

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