Patsy Ramsey is close to death

[Nehemiah]

Preach it sister. I'm with you.

 

[tipper]

She may suspect who the killer was, judging by the Patricia letters and her saying, "We didn't mean for this to happen", but can't prove it, and would be sued or something happen to another loved one if she even voiced the opinion. Both parents would be feeling guilt for having JonBenet's bedroom so far from theirs, and just maybe for having let her go with someone or spend time with someone they trusted too much. They might be too ashamed of their stupidity, also afraid of being sued, to admit it.

I wasn't around for the Patricia Letters but my understanding is no one knows who wrote them. They are just as likely to have been created by some bored student as Patsy Ramsey. Also according to PMPT the "We didn't mean for this to happen" isn't necessarily an exact quote. I remember saying when my daughter was attacked something along the lines of 'This isn't/wasn't supposed to happen.' Meaning - If you pay your taxes, go to work and try to live a decent life, you ought to have some protection against being a victim of this sort of crime.. Of course you don't. But until then I had the illusion we were reasonably safe from violent crime.

Anyway, like most things I judge the Ramseys behavior on the basis of is this something I could either see myself doing under similar circumstances e.g. "We didn't mean..." Or would I be able to understand if friends of mine behaved in such and such a way e.g. Hiring lawyers, Being involved in the pageants.

That's why I put a lot of weight on whether or not Burke's voice could be heard on the 911 tape. If he had, neither of the two above conditions would have applied. As it was there was nothing audible on the tape and I am left with mixed reports about the "enhanced" 911 tape.

 

[Nehemiah]

I am so sorry to hear that happened to your daughter. Was this long ago?

 

[tipper]

Thank you. It was in 1996

 

[capps]

Tipper,

That is just awful.Sometimes life can be unfair.My heart goes out to you.

 

[tipper]

It was a difficult time but a pale shade of what the Ramseys went through. One of the reasons I tend to believe in their innocence is some of the reactions they have spoken of were the same as mine. You go from being somewhat complacent and secure to thinking nobody, including old friends, are to be trusted. You want to keep your kids home where you can see them but force yourself to send them to school so they can have a normal routine. You don't let them know they could be in danger and set up hidden ways to watch over them. Your memory of details is all over the place. EVen today there are some things I'm very clear on but for other things I can conjure up more than one memory and both seem totally valid.

The man who attacked my daughter was arrested and is serving a life sentence which was upheld by the state supreme court.

My daughter had a lot of therapy and is doing very well.

 

[Nehemiah]

I don't mean to prod, so if you don't want to answer, I can certainly understand and won't ask another thing. Was this man someone she knew/trusted, or a stranger perp?

I personally know that when I have been through things, I have more empathy for others who go thru something similar. Your situation sheds some light on your seemingly understanding of the Ramseys' behaviors, and causes me to pause and consider some of my own biases.

 

[tipper]

It was someone she could identify which made an arrest and conviction easier but also put her in more danger of being murdered.

One of the things I learned is we don't necessarily act the way we think we would. There are still some irrational quirks I have. For instance I can't bring myself to store the file I have on the case in the same file drawer as my daughter's school records. It makes no sense I know, but I just don't want him in even that much proximity to her. Another thing is talking about it make me overwhelmingly sleepy. A clear case of instant avoidance.

 

[Kim Ii]

Oh, God, Tipper, I had no idea. I'm so sorry.

NOW I understand some of where you are coming from with all of this! It really does shed some light.

You know, I've gone back and forth on this one so many times. At first, when the story broke, I thought for sure someone in the family had something to do with this little girl's death. I bought all the books later on, Steve Thomas's, Andrew Hodges...all of them. I have this what I call 'fatal flaw' in that I can see and understand all viewpoints...just drives me crazy.

So then, after I viewed some of Lou Smit's interviews and watched a portion of a documentary on his theory, I veered toward the intruder theory. Then I thought, "geez, wouldn't it be terrible if these people really didn't have anything to do with the murder?

One night, I remember watching a newscast on the intruder theory...there was an interview of a Boulder resident whose wife and daughter had been at home alone one evening. He had been out on business..

An intruder literally was in the daughter's room...the mother felt for whatever reason she needed to check in on her daughter, went into her daughter's room, only to be confronted with this intruder. He had on all black...as soon as he saw the mother, he fled. If memory serves, he left no traces...nadda, zip. You'd never know he'd been in that room...

That changed my perspective a bit, I've gotta say. If this woman hadn't had the feeling she did that night that something was wrong and hadn't checked in on her daughter...who knows what would have happened?

But yet, there are just too many things about the Ramsey case that just don't add up...the note especially. ...I just don't know what to think.

I do know how horrible...how terrible it would be, if the Ramseys truly didn't have anything to do with the murder of their daughter. My sympathies really lie towards Burke. I cannot imagine what it must be like to have to live under the shadow of your sister's death all these years. I wonder what, if anything, he knows...

 

[capps]

Tipper,

I understand all that you are saying,and it all makes sense to me (even the sleepiness).

I also had a member of my family die an unatural death,outside of the house. A great trauma for the family ,of course.From the very first days, until today,when the family talks about it,every one of us,when a certain specific situation is brought up,remember it differently.We all think that's odd,but it's there.

I would hate to think that if police were questioning us,they would take that as "slip ups" or lying.How can you defend yourself against that?

Although,because of this,does not mean I'm giving the Ramsey's a free ride,if I see something questionable,I'm just more sympatheic to it.

 

[Jayelles]

At the lowest points in my life, I slept. I think it's a natural shutting down process and it helps with healing.

I agree that we don't know how we'd react under extreme stress but I do think it's fair to apply that to the immediate aftermath when shock takes over - not later when we calm down and there has been ample time to consider what is the "correct" thing to do.

I would never criticise or judge the Ramseys on how they behaved during the immediate aftermath of the murder. They say they allowed people to make decisions on their behalf because they weren't in a fit state to do so themselves. I don't think they can use that excuse for the fact that they took down the webpage and tipline.

(Didn't they also use a good whack of the Trust money to buy a computer for Susan Stine?)

 

[luvbeaches]

The man who attacked my daughter was arrested and is serving a life sentence which was upheld by the state supreme court.

My daughter had a lot of therapy and is doing very well.

I am so sorry to hear this, Tipper. I'm glad your daughter is doing well.

 

[LinasK]

It was so unfair for people to heartlessly jump to the conclusion she'd kill her beloved daughter she so identified with.

Eagle, that may well be why Patsy harbored such anger towards her, she was jealous of JonBenet's youth/beauty.

would never criticise or judge the Ramseys on how they behaved during the immediate aftermath of the murder. They say they allowed people to make decisions on their behalf because they weren't in a fit state to do so themselves.

I would! I believe John carried JB up the stairs in the blanket to contaminate the crime scene because he killed her! Otherwise, why not direct the police to the basement???

 

[dingo]

Dingo and Ned.....SLAP!

dont know why we deserved the SLAP but :croc:

 

[Nedthan Johns]

 

[Zman]

Eagle, that may well be why Patsy harbored such anger towards her, she was jealous of JonBenet's youth/beauty.


I would! I believe John carried JB up the stairs in the blanket to contaminate the crime scene because he killed her! Otherwise, why not direct the police to the basement???

Why call police to the house?

Honestly when the R's called LE to the house don't you think they were expecting the police to search the house?

I cannot see them expecting anything else.

If JR wanted to find the body just so he could contaminate evidence then he would have found it when the police frist got there, thereby not risking someone else in the house finding the body.

You can't rationally think JR would wait 7 hours with LE and friends in the house if he felt he really needed to contaminate evidence. Can You?

 

[BlueCrab]

Ned,

Without getting too far off-topic, if you don't mind terribly much, I'm gonna pick on you a little bit re' stun guns and abrasions.

As you know, stun guns have twin metal electodes on the business ends of them. On the Taser brand stun gun these twin electrodes are rectangular about 1/4" x 3/16" and are 1 3/8" apart. If these metal electrodes, with semi-sharp edges on them, are forceably jammed into your back, do you think they could cause abrasions? I think you would agree that it's quite possible, depending on the angle, the force, and any twisting of the metal electrodes while being forced against the skin.

John Meyer said the marks on JonBenet were abrasions. He also said the marks were consistent with stun gun injuries. Meyer could have been right on both accounts.

BlueCrab

 

[Jayelles]

dont know why we deserved the SLAP but :croc:

Ned likes a slap or two. Some of us are happy to oblige. I use a kipper.

 

[capps]

I believe John carried JB up the stairs in the blanket to contaminate the crime scene because he killed her! Otherwise, why not direct the police to the basement???

LinasK,

JB was not in a blanket when John carried her up the stairs.

 

[capps]

John Meyer said the marks on JonBenet were abrasions. He also said the marks were consistent with stun gun injuries. Meyer could have been right on both accounts.
BlueCrab

BlueCrab,

I also think that's a good possibility.