Why Patsy did not kill JonBenet

[BlueCrab]

I have noticed that over the years there is little to no discussion about the backward comma in $18,000 on the first page of the ransom note (see my post #77 above).

That backward comma can actually be evidence that two people were composing and writing the note -- the writer sitting on one side of the table and the "editor", so to speak, sitting on the opposite side of the table directly across from the writer. It's not likely the writer would make a backward comma. But if a person reached across the table, with the handwriting on the paper appearing upside down to him, he could very easily have written the backward comma.

It's not a smoking gun that two people were engaged in writing the note, but it does SUGGEST there were two people composing and writing it together.

BlueCrab

 

[UKGuy]

Well, my first instinct when all of this happened was that Burke or John Andrew did it. They are the only people (besides Grandpa Paugh) that the parents would cover up for.
At any rate, I can see alot of Patsy in the note, so I could see Burke doing it, and Patsy writing the note. Can't decide if John was involved in the cover up or not...

What throws me here is them letting him out of their sight the morning of the 26th. Also, how on Earth could a nine year old boy keep that secret all of these years? That is a heavy-duty secret.


As an aside, can someone tell me how "Paugh" is pronounced?
Is it "Paw?" or "Pew?"

If Burke was involved and Patsy was involved then I reckon John was involved, even if only to corroborate the other two's stories, but the Ramseys are a dysfunctional family, so who knows what was going on that night, was it a "family affair" or a solo venture, difficult to say ... I have my suspicions but little evidence ...

prob paw sounds likes its a variation on pugh which I "think" is a welsh surname ...

 

[Woodsman]

BlueCrab,

The fact that it's convoluted is one of the many reasons the note was probably written by a juvenile male. Add the length of the note, the silly movie stuff, and all of the unnecessary tough-guy threats, and the note has young male written all over it.
Does your theory include the possibility that Patsey Ramsey wrote the note? The handwriting analysis score of 4.5/5 she received from one particular set of examiners - why do you take this as gospel? Many other experts are clearly not so sure, with some having declared with absolute certainty that she penned it.

...."Make sure that you bring an adequate sized attache to the bank"....

...."The delivery will be exhausting and I advise you to be rested"....

...."The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you"...

...."Use that good common southern sense of yours"....

My intuitive sensibilities tell me that these lines were written by a woman, and having seen and heard Pastey Ramsey in interviews and on television, it is clear to me that her personality and demeanour fit the profile of the person who wrote the note.

That a 9yo Burke wrote the note is laughable. That a teenage male accomplice of Burke wrote it is highly unlikely (everyone picks up on and digests action movie jargon, not just juvenile boys). That an hysterical woman most probably with psychotic tendencies wrote it clearly strikes the strongest chord.

IMO Patsey Ramsey wrote the ransom note and deliberately tried to disguise her handwriting, probably by using her non-preferred hand. I am not convinced of any theory that purports to "know" who killed JBR, if indeed she was murdered at all. But I do know that Patsey Ramsey's psychological imprint is all over that ransom note, making her at the very least guilty in the cover up of her daughter's death.

 

[sandraladeda]

Well BlueCrab's BDI is fairly consistent and there is nothing better out there except maybe PDI, but I've not seen one yet that explains all of the evidence.

Whilst I have doubts about Burke's capacity to plan forward in such a machivellian manner, i.e. 9-year boy dupes millions, there is nothing to stop him penning it under the direction of someone else.

So he may have written it, for all we know it may be have been a family effort !

What if Patsy dictated it (hence the stupid meldramatic lingo uncharacteristic of a kid) and Burke did the writing?

 

[UKGuy]

What if Patsy dictated it (hence the stupid meldramatic lingo uncharacteristic of a kid) and Burke did the writing?

There is every possibilty, this is what occurred. It would satisfy BlueCrab's BDI and other people who see Patsy written all over that note.

For me the ransom note is a piece of staging so I've never really given it any significance in terms of it giving me any leads, other than false ones ...

 

[concernedperson]

BlueCrab,

The fact that it's convoluted is one of the many reasons the note was probably written by a juvenile male. Add the length of the note, the silly movie stuff, and all of the unnecessary tough-guy threats, and the note has young male written all over it.

Does your theory include the possibility that Patsey Ramsey wrote the note? The handwriting analysis score of 4.5/5 she received from one particular set of examiners - why do you take this as gospel? Many other experts are clearly not so sure, with some having declared with absolute certainty that she penned it.

...."Make sure that you bring an adequate sized attache to the bank"....

...."The delivery will be exhausting and I advise you to be rested"....

...."The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you"...

...."Use that good common southern sense of yours"....

My intuitive sensibilities tell me that these lines were written by a woman, and having seen and heard Pastey Ramsey in interviews and on television, it is clear to me that her personality and demeanour fit the profile of the person who wrote the note.

That a 9yo Burke wrote the note is laughable. That a teenage male accomplice of Burke wrote it is highly unlikely (everyone picks up on and digests action movie jargon, not just juvenile boys). That an hysterical woman most probably with psychotic tendencies wrote it clearly strikes the strongest chord.

IMO Patsey Ramsey wrote the ransom note and deliberately tried to disguise her handwriting, probably by using her non-preferred hand. I am not convinced of any theory that purports to "know" who killed JBR, if indeed she was murdered at all. But I do know that Patsey Ramsey's psychological imprint is all over that ransom note, making her at the very least guilty in the cover up of her daughter's death.

I think your post is totally sensible. I got a deleted post for something that I was most certainly responsible for but I was irked. So now I will post that I think you are very on target and I will stay away because I love WS too much to risk being banned. But continue on and I will read your posts....very intelligent and kudos to you.

 

[BlueCrab]

The six qualified document examiners appointed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to analyze the writing samples of 73 suspects put Patsy Ramsey at the very low end of possibly being the writer. They eliminated John as the possible writer and came close to eliminating Patsy. But they couldn't eliminate Burke.

With respect to Patsy, QDE Richard Dusak, of the U.S. Secret Service, said straight out there was no evidence that Patsy wrote the note. QDE Howard Rile, private examiner, concluded that Patsy is rated between "probably not" and "eliminated" as the author of the note. And QDE Edwin Alford, Jr, private examiner, said the examination has failed to provide a basis for identifying Patsy as the writer. Neither could any of the other three QDE's identify Patsy as the writer.

These six CBI examiners all had the original ransom note to examine (an essential item for a QDE to have), and they had all of the historic and current exemplars from Patsy to work with. Those examiners who followed (Darnay Hoffman's five QDE's) had only photo copies of the RN to work with and they had insufficient exemplars (plus, some of them had hidden political agendas).

BlueCrab

 

[RedChief]

Did Foster have a hidden political agenda? Did he think he had hitched his wagon to a sure winner when he declared that Patsy wrote it?

 

[Woodsman]

Thank you ConcernedPerson for your kind comment. Actually this is the first time I have posted on this website after having spent several weeks digesting information about the case.

I too am fascinated by the thoughts and theories of many of the members of this site, especially the likes of BlueCrab, whose knowledge of the case is impressive and logistical approach to crime solving is studied and professional.

I am of the opinion though that the path of logic does not always lead us to the correct conclusions. By this I mean that I don't believe that the person who perpetrated the crime was thinking or acting logically when they carried it out.

Woodsman.

 

[Woodsman]

BlueCrab,

Another explanation for the reversed comma was that it was written by someone using their non-preferred hand.

Woodsman.

 

[Nehemiah]

The six qualified document examiners appointed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to analyze the writing samples of 73 suspects put Patsy Ramsey at the very low end of possibly being the writer. They eliminated John as the possible writer and came close to eliminating Patsy. But they couldn't eliminate Burke.BlueCrab

BlueCrab, how do we know that Burke couldn't be eliminated?

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab, how do we know that Burke couldn't be eliminated?

Nehemiah,

Good question. And the answer has to be roundabout. But here it is:

John's and Patsy's results from their CBI handwriting analyses were leaked and everyone knows that John was eliminated and Patsy was almost eliminated as the writer by the CBI. But Burke's results were never leaked, EXCEPT once very early in the investigation.

That one time was during the BPD's early 1997 attempt to get a search warrant from the court for the Ramsey's Charlevoix, Michigan house to justify looking for examples of Patsy's handwriting. The CBI provided the following information (quoted exactly) to insert into the application:

o The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from John Ramsey showed "indications" that John Ramsey did not write the reported ransom note.

o The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from Burke Ramsey showed that it was "probable" that Burke Ramsey did not write the reported ransom note.

o The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from Patsy Ramsey showed "indications" which suggest that Patsy Ramsey may have written the reported ransom note.

Nothing more about Burke's handwriting results have been leaked or made public, even though the scores of John's and Patsy's results eventually became public by way of legal depositions.

BlueCrab