Patsys Clothes?

[ANGRYWOLF]

That's never been something I supported....
People talk..Heck..people I use to work with..at evaluation time..would talk about how much of a raise they got..stuff like that..so word got back to someone about how much John Ramsey was suppose to get...I think there were two people...the planner..who wrote the note and the muscle...the henchman...the planner wrote the note..but for some reason left Jon Benet with the muscle..the muscle..has pedophilia..unknown to the planner and molested and killed Jon Benet...afterthat they knew the jig was up and split...:twocents:

 

[lannie]

That's never been something I supported....
People talk..Heck..people I use to work with..at evaluation time..would talk about how much of a raise they got..stuff like that..so word got back to someone about how much John Ramsey was suppose to get...I think there were two people...the planner..who wrote the note and the muscle...the henchman...the planner wrote the note..but for some reason left Jon Benet with the muscle..the muscle..has pedophilia..unknown to the planner and molested and killed Jon Benet...afterthat they knew the jig was up and split...:twocents:

That 's it ?? & what facts do you have to support this view of yours for Christmas night 1996 in the RAM home,, Please more .

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

to support the belief/suspicion that the Ramseys killed Jon Benet...I don't think you have any facts to support your view...so it becomes..if there are no facts to support these suspicions that the Ramseys killed Jon Benet...and you know there were no one else in the house..no houseguests there..then by definition..it had to be an intruder. So you look for signs of an intruder. You look for the signs of an intrusion. Footprints in the snow..or on the ground...tiretracks....signs of breaking and entering..if that happened or entering...if there was an unlocked/broken basement window..you would look for fingerprints /footprints around the window inside the house...you would dust the room where Jon Benet 's body was found for fingerprints...the so-called degraded dna...you would look at the garrotte...how it was made...some people tie their knots differently than others..there was a case on forensic files where a woman was killed by her husband..who had been in the military..a paratrooper..so he tied special knots...that most people don't know how to make...so you look at that..and yes you look at the fibers...you look for human and animal hairs. You look at the timeline..when Jon Benet was killed and how any suspects account for their whereabouts when it happened.One of the reasons the Ramseys were not arrested/charged..may be due to concealed evidence...things the police found out..and haven't released to the media...that just don't point towards them..much as that may disappoint some of you...:banghead:

 

[Show Me]

That's never been something I supported....
People talk..Heck..people I use to work with..at evaluation time..would talk about how much of a raise they got..stuff like that..so word got back to someone about how much John Ramsey was suppose to get...I think there were two people...the planner..who wrote the note and the muscle...the henchman...the planner wrote the note..but for some reason left Jon Benet with the muscle..the muscle..has pedophilia..unknown to the planner and molested and killed Jon Benet...afterthat they knew the jig was up and split...:twocents:

Thank you for the answer....however can you clarify what you are saying. Someone at Access Graphics found out John's $118,000 raise and wanted it. Had a partner who wrote the note and the henchman abused and killed JonBenet?

Do you think the planner or henchman or both staged the crime scene in the basement?

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

..Could be someone who knows someone who works there..from a passing converasation such as"hey..that John Ramsey sure is lucky..He getting a $180,000 bonus.."..whatever..to the wrong person...the planner finds out...he recruits the muscle...and it goes from there..The planner didn't kill Jon Benet..the muscle/henchman did....I'm sure the planner was angry about it...he got nothing...but he can't say anything because he'll be charged with murder...:banghead:

 

[Jayelles]

Thank you for the answer....however can you clarify what you are saying. Someone at Access Graphics found out John's $118,000 raise and wanted it. Had a partner who wrote the note and the henchman abused and killed JonBenet?

Do you think the planner or henchman or both staged the crime scene in the basement?

I have always thought it was ridiculous that anyone killed Jonbenet because they were jealous of her father's business success. There are plenty of ways that John Ramsey could have been successfully hurt without killing an innocent child. Also, I don't think the mindsets are the same (I'll explain this later if anyone wants, right now, it's late).

I think JonBenet's killer hated/resented HER. It was an extremely violent and high risk crime against a child and I don't think that marries with business jealousy. John Ramsey's business could have been sabotaged - or someone could have framed him with child on his computer much more easily than creeping into his home at night and throttling his youngest child.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

I think it was pure greed..

 

[Jayelles]

I think it was pure greed..

greed for what? Some leftover cord and the remainder of a roll of duct tape? That seems to be all that is missing from the ramsey house!

 

[Show Me]

..Could be someone who knows someone who works there..from a passing converasation such as"hey..that John Ramsey sure is lucky..He getting a $180,000 bonus.."..whatever..to the wrong person...the planner finds out...he recruits the muscle...and it goes from there..The planner didn't kill Jon Benet..the muscle/henchman did....I'm sure the planner was angry about it...he got nothing...but he can't say anything because he'll be charged with murder...:banghead:

So a perfect stranger walking behind someone who declared John received this big bonus decided to murder this 'John Ramsey' and get the $118,000 bonus?

Said stranger must have walked behind this 'knowledgeable' person and gained additional information, like John had a wife, two kids, dog, and dropped a map of the three story house, along with Patsy's handwriting sample and paint brush....?

 

[Show Me]

I think it was pure greed..

Then WHY didn't they take the body so they can get the ransom money?????

 

[Jayelles]

This is completely off topic, but I have always thought that the killer of little Caroline Dickenson sounded like the kind of perp who would do a Ramsey type murder.

HIs name is Fernando Arce Montes (actually, I think I have that wrong - I'm terrible with names).

I noticed that in a recent newspaper (which I might still have) there was a 4 page spread about him and I meant to read it but forgot. I will look for that and report back.

He is Spanish but of independent means and he travelled all over the world - including the UK and US working periodlically as a waiter. He had a history of stalking young women and girls and breaking into their homes at night. He also snooped among their stuff and used their names on occasion.

Caroline Dickenson was the young girl who was murdered on a school trip to France. Montes strangled her whilst her three friends slept next to her. One reported hearing her grunting but thought she was just dreaming.

 

[lannie]

to support the belief/suspicion that the Ramseys killed Jon Benet...I don't think you have any facts to support your view...so it becomes..if there are no facts to support these suspicions that the Ramseys killed Jon Benet...and you know there were no one else in the house..no houseguests there..then by definition..it had to be an intruder. So you look for signs of an intruder. You look for the signs of an intrusion. Footprints in the snow..or on the ground...tiretracks....signs of breaking and entering..if that happened or entering...if there was an unlocked/broken basement window..you would look for fingerprints /footprints around the window inside the house...you would dust the room where Jon Benet 's body was found for fingerprints...the so-called degraded dna...you would look at the garrotte...how it was made...some people tie their knots differently than others..there was a case on forensic files where a woman was killed by her husband..who had been in the military..a paratrooper..so he tied special knots...that most people don't know how to make...so you look at that..and yes you look at the fibers...you look for human and animal hairs. You look at the timeline..when Jon Benet was killed and how any suspects account for their whereabouts when it happened.One of the reasons the Ramseys were not arrested/charged..may be due to concealed evidence...things the police found out..and haven't released to the media...that just don't point towards them..much as that may disappoint some of you...:banghead:

So now the thyme is we do not need facts ??

 

[JBRMod2]

Enough is enough.

 

[JMO8778]

I did hear ba ba Walters apologize ,for all of mankind, who ever thought PATS could of harmed that child,the night the Mark Karr story broke,just because Lacy & Tracy came came up with ,the crap from M Karr'S twisted mine to use to throw him under the KILLER bus, all kinds of Ram supporters crawled from under their rocks, Sue man Lin woods ,compleatly exhonerated them ,,in breathless tones of JOY!!& they were WRONG,, WRONG WRONG, but I have never heard one then apologize to anyone,, have you Angryman?? I mean angrydog ,sorry I mean angrywoff,

I never went back on what I thought.It's just too obvious from the evidence,IMO.As far as JMK writing the RN? He would have had a heck of a lot of explaining to do if he'd said he'd written it...like those nonsensical phrases such as 'use that good southern common sense of yours',when he didn't even know the family.

 

[JMO8778]

I recall JR himself was very concerned over just the 'facts' being reported in DOI,and nothing else..like he didn't like speculation.My opinion on that is that speculation comes too close to the truth for comfort for him.

 

[Eagle1]

Answering an email question just to be polite, that I can no longer find here, no, I never said Patsy called the friends over the previous night, or ever called them at all. Some secret ritual or something could have been planned for quite some time, and all of them may have been wearing the previous night's clothes. Someone provided a timeline regarding how they could arrive so quickly, so early, and forgot to mention getting dressed.

There's just a coincidence that a pedophile recently in the news kept going on and on about loving little dead "friends", just as McSanta did, who had a celtic harp with notches on it for dead little "friends".

We don't know whether or not the harp was at the Rs' house that night for some kind of ritual, which could have been planned for some time, or why it was mentioned. I forgot to investigate if there's anything about the harp at ACandyRose.

Most of us don't believe anything the R's say, so why should we believe them that they were the ONLY ones in the house that night?

I don't think any mom would put those size 12 panties on their daughter, which allegedly were in the same drawer, and easy for ANYONE to find, despite the tabloid's sensational article claiming only a mom could know where they were, or have her face down and not notice the wet longjohns.

But we probably can't find out any more about the friends' activities and have now moved on to another subject, which I certainly don't want to interrupt.

 

[Ames]

Answering an email question just to be polite, that I can no longer find here, no, I never said Patsy called the friends over the previous night, or ever called them at all. Some secret ritual or something could have been planned for quite some time, and all of them may have been wearing the previous night's clothes. Someone provided a timeline regarding how they could arrive so quickly, so early, and forgot to mention getting dressed.

There's just a coincidence that a pedophile recently in the news kept going on and on about loving little dead "friends", just as McSanta did, who had a celtic harp with notches on it for dead little "friends".

We don't know whether or not the harp was at the Rs' house that night for some kind of ritual, which could have been planned for some time, or why it was mentioned. I forgot to investigate if there's anything about the harp at ACandyRose.

Most of us don't believe anything the R's say, so why should we believe them that they were the ONLY ones in the house that night?

I don't think any mom would put those size 12 panties on their daughter, which allegedly were in the same drawer, and easy for ANYONE to find, despite the tabloid's sensational article claiming only a mom could know where they were, or have her face down and not notice the wet longjohns.

But we probably can't find out any more about the friends' activities and have now moved on to another subject, which I certainly don't want to interrupt.

I see what you are getting at now....thats a good question, concerning the friends.

 

[BBB167893]

If it does turn out to be somebody else..I wonder if any of you..who believe the Ramseys did it..will you ever apologize..and yes..if it is ever PROVEN..the Ramseys did it..I will say you guys were right all along.Any takers ?

Only if I count!

Or he was not called by the Grand Jury....or he never gave JonBenet an vagina exam with a spectrum (sp?) and never saw damage to her hymen.

Both.

 

[martin walkerdine]

what do you think about james leroy davies as a possible suspect in the jonbenet ramsey case

 

[IrishMist]

what do you think about james leroy davies as a possible suspect in the jonbenet ramsey case

Is there anything against him at all, besides some anonymous internet poster throwing his name out there?