Patsys Clothes?

[BBB167893]

Never heard of him?

 

[IrishMist]

Never heard of him?

Apparently, he lived on the same street as JMK. (Though there is some question as to whether it was at the same time)

He was arrested for rape, sodomy and something else. Out on bail, he skipped the country. The US was trying to get him extridited. (sp?)

I think some of the hoopla stems from the fact that the age (nor the sex, for that matter) of the victim was revealed, so there have been some assumptions made there, too.

At this point, I don't put a whole lot of stock into the whole thing at all. Just people grasping at straws.

 

[coloradokares]

Apparently, he lived on the same street as JMK. (Though there is some question as to whether it was at the same time)

He was arrested for rape, sodomy and something else. Out on bail, he skipped the country. The US was trying to get him extridited. (sp?)

I think some of the hoopla stems from the fact that the age (nor the sex, for that matter) of the victim was revealed, so there have been some assumptions made there, too.

At this point, I don't put a whole lot of stock into the whole thing at all. Just people grasping at straws.

Why must we keep looking for the impossible scapegoats...the fact remains there are a lot of sick individuals in this world. But were they at the Ramseys
house that night killing JonBenet? JMHO, if they did they were way to perfect so as to leave no prints or anything.

 

[martin walkerdine]

james leroy davies was aged 41 at the time that jonbenet ramsey was killed at this moment in time i am not a where of james leroy davies been in boulder when she was killed but reports from england are suggesting that him and john mark karr are best friends at that time and police have not cleared john mark karr of the crime as reports are suggesting the dna that as so cleared john mark karr of sexual assault might belong to james leroy davies instead and both were together at the seen of the crime


james leroy davies is from hamilton alabama america
age 51
facing charges of first degree rape on 2 counts, sexual torture on 1 count and first degree sodomy on 2 counts he was bailed for $130,000 as of 2004 and fled to austrailia.

he was arrested on the 15th september 2006 in adelaide and was remand in prison at adelaide remand prison located at currie street adelaide he was in count on the 15 december 2006 and the judge ordered him to be extradited back to hamilton alabama america so far he his still in austrailia awaiting his move back .

but you might after to take this report with a pinch of salt as michael tracey andn the mills productions made a programme which was aired on channel 4 in britain which suggested at the end of the program that a person in austrailia and a friend of john mark karr might be connected with the jonbenet ramsey case you can see the program in 7 parts on www.youtube.com and watch clip 7 to see it

 

[Eagle1]

Why must we keep looking for the impossible scapegoats...the fact remains there are a lot of sick individuals in this world.

But were they at the Ramseys house that night killing JonBenet? JMHO, if they did they were way too perfect, so as to leave no prints or anything.

A LOT, not just the Ramseys, right.

Think about it, if a policeman with access to the evidence was involved, and wouldn't he know what forensic clues to look for and clean up? Too simple.

Steve Thomas said he and another officer were very surprised, gasped, when a picture of an open dictionary fell out of the evidence folder. That was approximately p. 363 I believe in the hardcover ST book.

Someone somewhere in the forums said ST said a dictionary hadn't been at the crime scene when it was originally processed. Sorry I don't remember who or where, and I can't find this incident at all in the paperback.

To me that's forensic evidence of an intruder!

(1.) The Ramseys were too educated to have to look up the word Incest,
(2) Nobody makes that big a dog-ear before snapping a book shut,
if someone's coming, and in fact it wasn't shut. It was staging, and
(3) No parent, able to clean up a crime scene so well, would leave that.
(4) Burke was probably hiding out, scared, if he wasn't really asleep through whatever happened. Remember the controversy about whether he was alike when police were called? And let's face it, you know he wouldn't have gone to look up Incest, as some have suggested.
(5.) Whoever placed the dog-eared open dictionary evidently had access tp police evidence files!
He'd know how to clean a crime scene of any evidence he wouldn't want found.

 

[martin walkerdine]

hello eagle 1

 

[IrishMist]

Martin, I wonder if you have any links to these reports coming out of England? When I was looking into this guy, what I found was that there was record of him living in Hamilton from 2001. JMK moved to CA in 2000.

I'm willing to keep an open mind, but unless the evidence against this guy comes down to more than two perverts once lived in the same town, well, I'm just not willing to waste much time on it.

And, just to make life easier for anyone that wants to look into this guy, his last name is "Davie" with no "s" at the end.

 

[martin walkerdine]

if you change v in davis to a x then you have daxis as in john mark karr emails to michael tracey

 

[IrishMist]

if you change v in davis to a x then you have daxis as in john mark karr emails to michael tracey

Who is Davis, now? I don't think I've heard of him.

 

[martin walkerdine]

what i can also gather he was living in a town called coober pedy which is north of adelaide

 

[coloradokares]

james leroy davies was aged 41 at the time that jonbenet ramsey was killed at this moment in time i am not a where of james leroy davies been in boulder when she was killed but reports from england are suggesting that him and john mark karr are best friends at that time and police have not cleared john mark karr of the crime as reports are suggesting the dna that as so cleared john mark karr of sexual assault might belong to james leroy davies instead and both were together at the seen of the crime




james leroy davies is from hamilton alabama america
age 51
facing charges of first degree rape on 2 counts, sexual torture on 1 count and first degree sodomy on 2 counts he was bailed for $130,000 as of 2004 and fled to austrailia.

he was arrested on the 15th september 2006 in adelaide and was remand in prison at adelaide remand prison located at currie street adelaide he was in count on the 15 december 2006 and the judge ordered him to be extradited back to hamilton alabama america so far he his still in austrailia awaiting his move back .

but you might after to take this report with a pinch of salt as michael tracey andn the mills productions made a programme which was aired on channel 4 in britain which suggested at the end of the program that a person in austrailia and a friend of john mark karr might be connected with the jonbenet ramsey case you can see the program in 7 parts on www.youtube.com and watch clip 7 to see it

First off anything that Micheal Tracy has anything to do with is automatically suspect info as far as I am concerned. Him and his crocumentaries. Him and Lou Smit would claim it was the Easter Bunny if they could. Sorry I don't think JMK was anything but 15 minutes of fame ....fed by Michael Tracey. In addition to that he was arrested for rape......not pedophile related charges. 3rd JMK was released because he cannot be proved to even have been in Boulder that night.

 

[JMO8778]

First off anything that Micheal Tracy has anything to do with is automatically suspect info as far as I am concerned. Him and his crocumentaries. Him and Lou Smit would claim it was the Easter Bunny if they could. Sorry I don't think JMK was anything but 15 minutes of fame ....fed by Michael Tracey. In addition to that he was arrested for rape......not pedophile related charges. 3rd JMK was released because he cannot be proved to even have been in Boulder that night.

well-said.They used JMK to fit what they thought an 'intruder' might look and be like in the case.
THE FACT THAT HE WAS WEARING EYELINER spells 'acting' to me.I think JMK just used it to make his eyes seem very dark and mysterious.
I know some will disagree with me on that,but that's JMO.If he was really that into wearing makeup,he'd have had on eyeshadow,lipstick,the works.

 

[coloradokares]

well-said.They used JMK to fit what they thought an 'intruder' might look and be like in the case.
THE FACT THAT HE WAS WEARING EYELINER spells 'acting' to me.I think JMK just used it to make his eyes seem very dark and mysterious.
I know some will disagree with me on that,but that's JMO.If he was really that into wearing makeup,he'd have had on eyeshadow,lipstick,the works.

Not sure if they were going for the dark sinister look...or the more fem look considering he was consulting regarding sex change. How odd is that for someone who said sexually he was like a wolf. JMK needs a lot of help
and by no means am I sympathetic towards him in any way. However I think he was coached on details and of course he totally botched alot of stuff. Like picking JB up at school etc. Good grief.

 

[Ames]

Not sure if they were going for the dark sinister look...or the more fem look considering he was consulting regarding sex change. How odd is that for someone who said sexually he was like a wolf. JMK needs a lot of help
and by no means am I sympathetic towards him in any way. However I think he was coached on details and of course he totally botched alot of stuff. Like picking JB up at school etc. Good grief.

He is one weird sicko pervert!! I was SO hoping that he would go to prison on those charges, and become some guy's (or ALOT of guys) "girlfriend".

 

[martin walkerdine]

who can get into a house without leaving any trace of a person has been there so the prints or marks suggestion can be explained someone must have been in the house that the family didn't no about at the time of jonbenet death or if not then a family member must have did it but i am not sure on this as the dna that was tested in 2003 would have spotted this and matched a member of the ramsey family and the dna as been checked by the fbi and codise with no matches as well so this person must be a very good burglar turned killer or a person with no criminal background so far with a person gudge against the ramseys.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

...or the DNA is completely unrelated to the murder.

 

[Ames]

...or the DNA is completely unrelated to the murder.

That would be MY thought!

 

[Eagle1]

I have another tentative theory, not my favorite one, mind you. I have many. Will just throw it out there for possible discussion.

Some INTERNATIONAL ring of some kind had just been busted in Boulder, it was said years ago, can't find anything about it now, maybe hushed up because they didn't get the most powerful ones.

POSSIBLY, there were some after-party parties, maybe not connected to the international thing, and I have no idea what kind of after-party parties happen. Any ideas?

I'm only suggesting it because of S. Stine refusing to open the door for BPD and getting away with it.

And ST expressing such surprise that he and a coworker "gasped" when the dictionary picture fell out of the evidence packet. Hardcover ST, about p 363 or 373.

Why should they have been that surprised?

To me it suggests the dictionary hadn't been there when the crime scene was processed, so they'd never heard of it, and that the Ramseys were too educated to need to look up the word "Incest". Burke would have been PROBABLY too scared, and pretending to be asleep. It even suggests to me that someone at BPD may have been involved.

Else why wouldn't they have insisted on investigating the attempted 911 call? Who ever heard of refusing to let police enter? What could have been going on, that the "friends" didn't need any time to consult about whether to let them in? Forum people years ago found out that FW's mother had been partying or getting ready for a party, wasn't in a hospital. To me that dictionary was probably the famous non-existant "evidence of an intruder", whether it was one of the friends or whoever. So I hate to keep hearing over and over the rash statement there was no evidence of one.

We only have the Ramseys' word for it that nobody was in the house but them. There certainly could have been another after-hours party of some kind, and they could have rationalized, "We can sleep on the plane tomorrow." This is a rash statement, too, I realize, but just as possible.

 

[sandraladeda]

he'll be caught someday..probably for another crime he commits..and something about that crime will lead back to this case..If it does turn out to be somebody else..I wonder if any of you..who believe the Ramseys did it..will you ever apologize..and yes..if it is ever PROVEN..the Ramseys did it..I will say you guys were right all along.Any takers ?

First of all, I have never said anything to JR or PR's faces about any suspicions I might have, so I am not sure how I have ever done anything that warrants an apology. This is an internet discussion forum, we discuss. I would happily believe an alternate theory of the crime. I hate to think that this little girl died at the hands of a family member. What a terrible end for her! When the JMK fiasco began, I felt glad that the crime had been solved, at long last. Sadly, that was not the case. But as a RDI, I was prepared to consider another scenario. So far, from the books I have read, the facts of the case I have found from other sources, the parents involvement is the only credible conclusion I can reach.

Also, this is not a court of law. Once again, it is an internet discussion forum. We don't have the same burden of proof here as in a court of law. Believing in RDI is not the same as delivering a guilty verdict.

Finally, imo, many of the R's actions made them look guilty. Whether by personal choice or on advice of counsel, some of their actions looked like the actions of guilty parties, or at least of people who knew more than they were saying.

I think the Rs were probably involved somehow, either in the death or at least the staging/coverup. But I am not so invested in this belief that I won't consider another credible suspect, if one comes along. I did with JMK, and so did many RDIs. Ultimately, everyone wants justice for JBR.

Personally, I welcome other theories here. I am glad to see people post their belief in R innocence. This can generate meanigful debate.imho

 

[Darlene733510]

Regarding the dictionary and the word incest - could
JR have been molesting JB, and caught by PR? Could
Burke have heard PR acusing JR of incest, and wanted to know the meaning of the word? It seems to me this would be a logical explanation to this. He could have been wondering what it meant, if PR was really accusing John - and we know, when angry, she could really get carried away.