Patsy's red sweater fibers

[Jayelles]

So, how did he hold onto the Tupperware bowl full of pineapple?

Excellent point! Must have been with his teeth - did they test that bowl for saliva???? Maybe that's DNA-x.

Nehemiah - I think you've cracked it.

 

[Jayelles]

I have a question:
Didn't they find fibers from Patsy's red sweater in her paint tray where
the brush came from?
Didn't she make a statement, saying that she had never even worn that
sweater to paint. How can this be??
Ellen13

I believe you are correct. The sweater wasn't really a sweater but a fleecy kind of jacket.

I can't remember how the RST explained away those fibres. I think the fibre evidence is one of the reasons why the ramseys have not been cleared. We can explain away fibres on her body because both ramsey parents fell upon her body but fibres INSIDE the garotte knot would be harder to explain.

What is the source for the fibres in the garotte knot?

 

[sissi]

Didn't ya know that Patsy had a pair of boots trimmed with beaver fur? Yes, indeedee. :doh: :doh: :doh:

I've read several times that her boots did NOT have beaver trim. I have read, as well, that the closets were vacuumed in an effort to obtain "another" beaver hair,(which would indicate an item they either owned at the time or in the recent past) again no beaver hair!
I believe the "beaver trimmed boots" is another myth.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I'd heard it was mink, not beaver, and that Patsy owned at least one mink coat. Either way, still pointing at Patsy.

An intruder wearing either beaver or mink to kidnap and/or molest and murder a small girl? Come on. That's almost as ludicrous as the intruder wearing Patsy's jacket.

 

[BrendaStar]

I believe the "beaver trimmed boots" is another myth.

I don't. It was widely reported at the time of the crime that Patsy owned a pair of beaver trimmed boots.

 

[Shanny]

This maybe off subject but I don't want to make a whole new thread about it
I was wondering if JonBenet wet the bed that night during the autopsy it was reported that she had urine stains on her long john underwear
but in the picture of her bed there are no urine stains....
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[b]How is it that she only wet her underwear and not her bed ?[/b]

 

[Seeker]

The fibers where "consistant with", but not an exact match. IOW they could have been fibers from any piece of clothing of the same material.

There has never been any substantiation that the "animal hair" was beaver. It's only been described as "animal hair". For all anyone knows it could have been dog, cat, rabbit, horse or deer hair. Nobody outside the investigation even knows what color it was. I've never seen anything that even states it was natural vs synthetic hair either.

It could have come from a coat she touched while they were at the Whites. JonBenet's hands were not washed when the Ramsey's returned from dinner that night.

Shanny, when someone dies their bowels release. Any fluid or other matter is released. For this reason I believe JonBenet was standing up when she was strangled to death, and that it didn't happen while she was lying in her bed.

 

[Nehemiah]

There has never been any substantiation that the "animal hair" was beaver. It's only been described as "animal hair". For all anyone knows it could have been dog, cat, rabbit, horse or deer hair. Nobody outside the investigation even knows what color it was. I've never seen anything that even states it was natural vs synthetic hair either.

I've wondered if it could have been hair from her new My Twinn doll.

 

[Jayelles]

This maybe off subject but I don't want to make a whole new thread about it
I was wondering if JonBenet wet the bed that night during the autopsy it was reported that she had urine stains on her long john underwear
but in the picture of her bed there are no urine stains....
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[b]How is it that she only wet her underwear and not her bed ?[/b][/QUOTE]
How could you tell from a photo that the bedsheets had been wet the previous night? The sheets were multicoloured and the house was centrally heated. The poly-cotton sheets would have dried quickly.

The FACT is that those who were at the scene said the sheets smelled of urine. Later tests proved positive for creatin (sp?) which is present in urine.

The RST try to claim the bed wasn't wet because the sheets don't look wet in the photo which was taken hours later. IMO, it is important to the RSt to try and convince people that the bed wasn't wet in a desperate effort to discredit the bed-wetting theory. They will claim that the smell of urine and the test for creatin are a result of a previous bed-wetting accident where Patsy did not properly dry the plastic undersheet - thus causing a transfer of urine to the new sheets. I think this is a sign of dishonesty and depseration.

I don't believe that Patsy killed Jonbenet for wetting the bed, I think it's ridiculous... but neither do I believe that it was imposiible that she did wet the bed that night. Quite simply, the evidence may be inconclusive but it certainly does not support that claim.

 

[dingo]

Jayelles,I agree ,its hard to tell from a pic if the bed had been wet or not.With Jonbenets history of bedwetting and considering that she wasnt taken for her normal toilet trip that night:waitasec: theres a good chance the bed was wet.

 

[luvbeaches]

Funny how some of you can't believe the BPD would lie about evidence in order to get a confession out of JR or PR but believe they would take bribes. At least what I accuse them of is not a crime.

My beliefs concerning who killed JoBenet have nothing to do with the BPD...but everything to do with the Ramsey's and their inconsistant statements. Couple that with all the odd things they did...well, there you go. Suppose they are still looking for her killer? They never did. They just wanted out of Boulder. They lawyered-up and left town.

 

[txsvicki]

I'd think that an intruder or kidnapper sneaking and plotting in the dark would wear all black clothing and nothing with red in it. Someone wearing a santa suit to kidnap or sexually assault a child just seems so silly because they couldn't guarantee that a child wouldn't still become very afraid and start screaming or crying about going with him downstairs. I just can't imagine that an intruder wouldn't first tie her up or something just to help insure that no noise was made instead of trying to lure her downstairs with pineapple. About the urine stains, didn't one of the books say that JonBenet had urinated while lying on her stomach and that the urine ran forward on the underwear and long johns?

 

[Shanny]

I read that maybe JonBenet's bladder could have been realeased at the time of her death.

Jayelles,I agree ,its hard to tell from a pic if the bed had been wet or not.With Jonbenets history of bedwetting and considering that she wasnt taken for her normal toilet trip that night:waitasec: theres a good chance the bed was wet.

 

[BrendaStar]

Jayelles,I agree ,its hard to tell from a pic if the bed had been wet or not.With Jonbenets history of bedwetting and considering that she wasnt taken for her normal toilet trip that night theres a good chance the bed was wet.

The sheets on JBR's bed had been changed. The washed sheets were still in the dryer. That's why the sheets don't look wet.

How do I know? I remember back from the start when all of these details were given out.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

The sheets on JBR's bed had been changed. The washed sheets were still in the dryer. That's why the sheets don't look wet.

How do I know? I remember back from the start when all of these details were given out.

I also remember some talk of of a bunch of wadded up clothes seen sitting on/next to the washer when people first arrived, then not being there later. What was that about? What was sitting there? Who moved them, to where, and why?

Man, I really wish that the police had just done what they were supposed to do...close off the crime scene, not allow anyone in, and separate and question the family members immediately. We'd be looking at a whole different case if those procedures had been followed.

 

[luvbeaches]

I also remember some talk of of a bunch of wadded up clothes seen sitting on/next to the washer when people first arrived, then not being there later. What was that about? What was sitting there? Who moved them, to where, and why?

Man, I really wish that the police had just done what they were supposed to do...close off the crime scene, not allow anyone in, and separate and question the family members immediately. We'd be looking at a whole different case if those procedures had been followed.

You are so right. Had they treated the Ramsey's like any other ordinary family, it would be over. And had they secured the crime scene. The Ramsey's circled the wagons early. I still don't understand why John felt the need to get his ex-wife an attorney. And the rest of his family. Well, I guess I know the reason...lol

The sheets washed. Mighty thoughtful killer. I also remember hearing that there was a bag of those night-time child diaper type things hanging out of the cabinet (over the washer/dryer outside of JonBenet's bedroom). The wadded up wet red turtleneck sweater also was on the sink. I remember reading in the interview where at one time Patsy said JonBenet was wearing that, then changed it to the white sweater (with the star). Too many inconsistant statements for me to believe one word the Ramsey's have to say. They lawyered up, the police screwed up the crime scene, and they left Dodge.

The Ramsey's have done nothing to look for the killer. Nothing. That poor little girl. I also feel so bad for Burke. He lost his life the same night JonBenet did.

 

[BrendaStar]

They lawyered up, the police screwed up the crime scene, and they left Dodge.

Boy, do you have that right LB. I bet there were pay-offs involved, too and other people involved higher up that didn't want their names out. The whole thing smacks of a cover-up.

I remember the whole sad tragedy of the "little beauty queen" like it was yesterday. Poor JBR, she never had the chance at life.

 

[narlacat]

The sheets on JBR's bed had been changed. The washed sheets were still in the dryer. That's why the sheets don't look wet.

How do I know? I remember back from the start when all of these details were given out.

I always thought they had been changed too.
Didn't LHP say that the sheets that were found on the bed were not the ones she put on the bed on the 23rd?
On the 24th, Christmas Eve, JonBenet slept in Burke's room, so theoretically the same sheets that were put on the bed on the 23rd, should still have been there on the 26th.

 

[BrendaStar]

Didn't LHP say that the sheets that were found on the bed were not the ones she put on the bed on the 23rd?

I believe they did. So that begs the question why the sheets were changed. I always thought it was due to bedwetting by JBR, although now that I think of it, it could have been the result of something a lot more sinister.

 

[luvbeaches]

Boy, do you have that right LB. I bet there were pay-offs involved, too and other people involved higher up that didn't want their names out. The whole thing smacks of a cover-up.

I remember the whole sad tragedy of the "little beauty queen" like it was yesterday. Poor JBR, she never had the chance at life.

Well, there's certainly something wrong, and nothing would surprise me. I don't think it was by chance that John ended up with the attorney that he did (Hal Haddon). Haddon's a powerful man, and politically connected guy. Politics are interesting. I've always wondered if Haddon called in a few favors.

The crime scene was compromised. The Ramsey's lawyered-up with a big gun (and more for the others in the family). If the crime scene wasn't so botched, I think eventually the case could have been solved. But John made a beeline to the basement and "found" JonBenet. That was interesting.

I think the thing that made me go ???? was when they called all their friends over for their little tea party when the ransom note said they would behead JonBenet if they talked to a stray dog. Even more bizarre was the police letting them all stay in the house. I seem to remember some of the friends arrived (or were called) before the police did. Can you imagine? Your child has been abducted...and her life threatened, and you call your friends to come to the house. That one event changed my mind. I will forever believe that the Ramsey's know more than they are saying. And they are fortunate that the police so screwed up the crime scene, and that they have money. Money to hire the top-dog attorneys that they did.

I also believe that Burke will someday shed light on what happened that night. I do not believe he had anything to do with JonBenet's murder, but I believe he heard things. A few too many beers at a college party, and he'll spill the beans.

But in the end, they will have to answer to a much higer being.