PDI and The Abuse?

[bettybaby00]

Why, oh why didn’t investigators follow up with the right questions? Shouldn’t they have asked Patsy if it was customary to put JonBenet’s hair up like that for bed? They knew what her hair looked like at the Whites’ Christmas party, so shouldn’t they have asked if it was rearranged by her after they got home? They didn’t even ask about why she would let her go to bed wearing her jewelry. I don’t think a small chain necklace would last many nights before it might get broken, and an intruder wouldn’t have done these things before taking her to the basement. So many missed opportunities :sheesh: .

Venom, the round mark has always bothered me as well. The color makes it look like it could be a dried blood scab, a bruise, or it might even be some kind of burn. But not just a light burn causing a blister, but one in which the skin is charred to that color. Each of these types of injuries would give us an idea about when they might have been inflicted in relation to death. The medical examiner could have (should have) tested it to determine exactly what caused it. If he did, we don’t know what the results were and it leaves us to only speculate. Until or unless some other information comes out (which I doubt), I don’t think we’ll be able to figure it out. But I don’t think it is similar to any marks caused by a stun gun or a taser.

The central issue concerning the BBM reflects the Rs refusal to cooperate. Consider how days after JRBs death, the parents informed law enforcement that they were unwilling to meet with investigators and all questions should be submitted in writing via the DA. These questions--some of which sought info about what JRB wore to bed--took weeks to be answered, with little to no chance of having an unfettered back and forth between the Rs and LE. Moreover, after months of stonewalling, certain lines of questioning were specifically excluded during interviews, and potential pieces of evidence were never subpoenaed and effectively witheld from the investigation.

Innocent parents don't act this way. Feel you need a lawyer fine, I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's everyone's right. You can't, however, turn around and attempt to manipulate the perception that you are cooperating when its evident you're not. Refusing to sit down formally and speak with police for 4 months after the brutal murder of your daughter is not normal.

The Rs forced LE to investigate hundreds of people, and leads, yet all of it led right back to that house.


I am continually drawn back to Doc Miller's piece...

The Politics of Delay

Ellis Armstead, by his constant presence and interference was a huge source of frustration for Boulder Police detectives trying to put their case together against John and Patsy. When police detectives arrived to interview a relevant witness, they often found that Armstead had already been there to take a statement that would favor the defense. This strategy gave the Ramseys several important advantages.

When a police investigator takes a statement, the information becomes discoverable to defense attorneys only after charges are filed. However, statements taken by the defense before charges are filed don't get into the hands of the prosecution unless the information is favorable to the defendant. The defense investigator getting a jump on the police has an opportunity to lead the witness to make the "right" kind of statement. In the Ramsey case, leaks from Hunter's office reached Haddon's law firm, and thus provided Armstead with the knowledge as to whom the police next planned to interview. By getting to the witness first, Armstead could influence not only what the witness said, but what that witness would recall in any subsequent police interview.

Ellis Armstead himself acknowledged his professional, rather than moral commitment, to John and Patsy once he resigned. "It was not like I was naive. It wouldn't have changed how I did anything. It really didn't matter to me whether they did it or didn't do it." In Armstead's own words, he exposes an utter absence of moral character, the sickness and greed within the American criminal justice system.

Bolstering the Rs legal team were the actions of the DAs office...

"The Boulder County Grand Jury has completed its work and will not return. No charges have been filed." Hunter praised the American criminal justice system, claiming he had never been so proud of it and the work of the grand jury.

After learning of the TBs how can this be viewed as anything other than less than truthful?

And the final pièce de résistance of course was/is MLs exoneration. It's been waved around more than an American Flag at a Fourth of July parade.

Behind every claim of proof that the Rs are innocent, is irrefutable evidence showing how flawed, biased, incomplete and generally misleading that claim actually is. LSs intruder theory campaign helped portray the Rs as victims, while obscuring critical evidence that proved unfavorable. The recent discussion regarding LSs testimony regarding "hairs," is a particularly good example of this slight of hand.

Miller also wrote:

Can You See My Hand?

Defense lawyers use a lot of tricks to capture the imagination of a jury in their opening arguments. A defense lawyer raises the palm of his hand toward the jurors and asks, "Can you see my hand?" The lawyer gives his shoulders a shrug, tosses a glance over his shoulder to the prosecutor, takes a moment for eye contact with each juror, then rhetorically and dramatically answers his own question. "No," the defendant's combatant says, turning his hand over, "you can only see half of my hand." He lowers his head to engage the jury, "The other side is what I'm going to show you."

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

All moo, moo, moo, etc., etc.

 

[Frigga]

The central issue concerning the BBM reflects the Rs refusal to cooperate. Consider how days after JRBs death, the parents informed law enforcement that they were unwilling to meet with investigators and all questions should be submitted in writing via the DA. These questions--some of which sought info about what JRB wore to bed--took weeks to be answered, with little to no chance of having an unfettered back and forth between the Rs and LE. Moreover, after months of stonewalling, certain lines of questioning were specifically excluded during interviews, and potential pieces of evidence were never subpoenaed and effectively witheld from the investigation.

Innocent parents don't act this way. Feel you need a lawyer fine, I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's everyone's right. You can't, however, turn around and attempt to manipulate the perception that you are cooperating when its evident you're not. Refusing to sit down formally and speak with police for 4 months after the brutal murder of your daughter is not normal.

The Rs forced LE to investigate hundreds of people, and leads, yet all of it led right back to that house.


I am continually drawn back to Doc Miller's piece...



Bolstering the Rs legal team were the actions of the DAs office...



After learning of the TBs how can this be viewed as anything other than less than truthful?

And the final pièce de résistance of course was/is MLs exoneration. It's been waved around more than an American Flag at a Fourth of July parade.

Behind every claim of proof that the Rs are innocent, is irrefutable evidence showing how flawed, biased, incomplete and generally misleading that claim actually is. LSs intruder theory campaign helped portray the Rs as victims, while obscuring critical evidence that proved unfavorable. The recent discussion regarding LSs testimony regarding "hairs," is a particularly good example of this slight of hand.

Miller also wrote:




http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

All moo, moo, moo, etc., etc.

Great post! Exactly why I think this case is so gripping and compelling- I can find no innocent answer for why parents would behave this way.

It was a series of unfortunate events (unfortunate towards any justice for JonBenet) that these attorneys were so incestuous.

The outright lie (IMOO) by AH all of these years, in regard to the true bill- or lackthereof- is devastating, in and of itself.

I hope one day we have an answer- I still beleieve it is possible- especially if all of the eveidence becomes available at some point. I will make it clear that I don't think anyone will ever be held accountable (in the true sense of the word) but at this point, a definitive answer would be enough for me.

 

[DeDee]

Secret visit--JonBenet told Megan Kostanik and her mother, Barbara, in a conversation on Dec. 25, that Santa was coming to visit her after Christmas, and it was a secret. When questioned by Barbara, an engineer, who wondered if JonBenet was confused about the date of the expected visit (Santa's coming tonight), JonBenet repeated her expectation: he's coming after Christmas and it's a secret.

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So, if JonBenét was expecting a visit from Santa on the night she died, why would she fall asleep in the car on the short ride home from the White's? Burke didn't fall asleep. He couldn't wait to get home and play with the loot he received on Christmas morning.

Who else had JonBenét told that "Santa told her that he" would be visiting her on Christmas night?

Something is not right about this.

 

[UKGuy]

My daughter has very long hair and when she was little I pulled it into a loose braid for sleeping. As far as JB's two ponytails....JB can be seen in some photos where she is dressed up (one being the photo of her in a dark velvet party dress) where her hair is pulled up at the crown in a topknot and the rest of her hair falls loose down her shoulders.
I can envision her wearing her hair in this topknot ponytail secured with the black/white/red scrunci ( aka hairtie) that is seen in the crime photo posted on this forum yesterday- where she is lying on the living room rug. Of course, police have photos of her at that party, but we have not seen them. That would certainly answer the question of how that top ponytail was made. Certainly no intruder would make a ponytail, secure it with a rubber band and then look for and find a matching hairtie.
It is easy for me to envision JB arriving home from the party with the topknot ponytail in place, and Patsy readying a tired (and probably cranky) JB for bed- leaving the top ponytail in place and pulling the rest of her long hair into the usual ponytail at the back of her neck. That is why, IMO, she had the 2 uneven ponytails. I have never thought her hairstyle was made for some nefarious purpose (such as baring her neck for the ligature) or had anything to do with the crime at all. To me, it was a routine bedtime ritual, whether she had a topknot that day or not.

DeeDee249,
Everything you suggest on this topic seems balanced and fair to me.

If JonBenet wore hair-tie(s) to the White's party then why has this not been publicized. Patsy was asked about JonBenet's underwear, white gap top, black velvet pants, socks and shoes.

If the hair-tie(s) are not contentuous why has no BPD investigator ever passed comment on the subject?

If JonBenet wore one hair-tie to the White's party with a second added when she returned home, then this contradicts the R's version of events.

The hair-tie(s) might be part of a bedtime routine, thereby invalidating the R's claims, alternatively they might represent a prior attempt to present JonBenet as having been in bed, i.e. a staging event, which was then amended to the wine-cellar staging, and alike the pineapple and artifact left in place upstairs, the hair-tie(s) were forgotten in a last minute staging frenzy.

The hair-ties might suggest that the R's had a prior version of events, in which JonBenet was awake and was readied for bed?


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[bettybaby00]

DeeDee249,
Everything you suggest on this topic seems balanced and fair to me.

If JonBenet wore hair-tie(s) to the White's party then why has this not been publicized. Patsy was asked about JonBenet's underwear, white gap top, black velvet pants, socks and shoes.

If the hair-tie(s) are not contentuous why has no BPD investigator ever passed comment on the subject?

If JonBenet wore one hair-tie to the White's party with a second added when she returned home, then this contradicts the R's version of events.

The hair-tie(s) might be part of a bedtime routine, thereby invalidating the R's claims, alternatively they might represent a prior attempt to present JonBenet as having been in bed, i.e. a staging event, which was then amended to the wine-cellar staging, and alike the pineapple and artifact left in place upstairs, the hair-tie(s) were forgotten in a last minute staging frenzy.

The hair-ties might suggest that the R's had a prior version of events, in which JonBenet was awake and was readied for bed?


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BBM

Hmmmm, interesting.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,
Everything you suggest on this topic seems balanced and fair to me.

If JonBenet wore hair-tie(s) to the White's party then why has this not been publicized. Patsy was asked about JonBenet's underwear, white gap top, black velvet pants, socks and shoes.

If the hair-tie(s) are not contentuous why has no BPD investigator ever passed comment on the subject?

If JonBenet wore one hair-tie to the White's party with a second added when she returned home, then this contradicts the R's version of events.

The hair-tie(s) might be part of a bedtime routine, thereby invalidating the R's claims, alternatively they might represent a prior attempt to present JonBenet as having been in bed, i.e. a staging event, which was then amended to the wine-cellar staging, and alike the pineapple and artifact left in place upstairs, the hair-tie(s) were forgotten in a last minute staging frenzy.

The hair-ties might suggest that the R's had a prior version of events, in which JonBenet was awake and was readied for bed?


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JB was wearing only ONE hair tie when found- the red/black/white one seen in the crime photos. However, BOTH ponytails were secured with a rubber band- blue, I believe.

 

[DeDee]

"I can envision her wearing her hair in this topknot ponytail secured with the black/white/red scrunci ( aka hairtie) that is seen in the crime photo posted on this forum yesterday- where she is lying on the living room rug."

Exactly which photo was that, DeeDee? The photo of her on the carpeting that I posted showed a black, white and brown leopard print cloth hair tie in the child's hair.

Hasn't it been determined that child on the living room floor was not JonBenét but the character who played her in the movie. Isn't it a screenshot taken from Schiller's PMPT?

* From AutopsyFiles.org

"The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band."

How do you know it was a black, white and red scrunci in her hair?

Could JB have been wearing the satin bow taken in the pursuit of evidence according to the Dec. 27, 1996 Search Warrant?


satin bow (86BAB)

(0331-15) TOM HANEY: Okay. 55.
PATSY RAMSEY: The (inaudible), house. These are little -- the little black shoes with the leopard or whatever skin on it.
TOM HANEY: Those are on the floor inside the door?
PATSY RAMSEY: I believe she wore those with her little velvet outfit.

JB was wearing black boots with leopard print trim with her white Gap shirt and black velvet jeans and vest. I guess she could wear a black, white and red scrunci with black, white and brown leopard print on her boots? For my daughter's hair, I would have selected a white satin bow or the leopard print like they did for the movie PMPT.



UKGuy, ST did ask Patsy about JBs bedtime hairstyle routines. JB typically wore one ponytail in a rubber band to bed. What he should have asked was how was her hair styled when she left her daughter's room after putting her into longjohns and kissing her goodnight.

ST was brought into the case rather quickly, on December 28. ST was well equipped or else why bring in this brilliant, young detective? ST did not hold as much power as AH or Patsy would have been in prison and not in Atlanta.

Steve Thomas on Greta's CNN Show April 18, 2000

THOMAS: Well, certainly, there's plenty of blame to go around in this case, the Boulder Police Department, of which I was a part. Let's face it, the government, the criminal justice system in Boulder, failed this case miserably. The police department made its initial share of mistakes, but once the D.A.'s office got a hold of this thing, I believe it was forever lost.

This district attorney, I don't hide that I have just utter contempt, he is in my opinion a disgrace to professional prosecutors around the country. And early in this case, when we had opportunities, when auspicious timing and tremendous advantages could have been taken advantage of, for example, the polygraph, the tremendous power of the grand jury, and its subpoena power and ability to compel reluctant witnesses to give testimony, this thing floundered, and there was this shuffling incompetence. And quite frankly, I felt Hunter was intimidated by it, and finally, after two years, when the grand jury finally got a hold of this thing, it was far too late.

So, in those early stages, when this was red hot, that D.A.'s office sat squarely on their thumbs.

I admire a man who can speak the truth without regrets.

OMO

 

[UKGuy]

JB was wearing only ONE hair tie when found- the red/black/white one seen in the crime photos. However, BOTH ponytails were secured with a rubber band- blue, I believe.

DeeDee249,
Sure, I became lost in my sentence construction and ended up using hair-tie as a synonym for ponytail.

Would JonBenet have worn assymetric ponytails to the White's party?

Could the ponytail without a hair-tie represent an attempt to reconstruct her appearance at the White's party?

Alike the size-12's, not quite hitting the target, and absence of a hair-tie being the give away?

I suspect JonBenet was placed in a staged bedroom crime-scene, i.e. bloodstain on the pillow, to effect an intruder homicide.

This was later amended to that of the wine-cellar along with the ransom-note to explain away JonBenet's relocation?

Removal of JonBenet's size-6 underwear is a red-flag, since forensic contamination by an intruder is incidental, alike the alleged touch-dna, but by that of a Ramsey patently a smoking gun. So you might conjecture either blood or semen from a Ramsey as being deposited on the size-6 underwear?

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[UKGuy]

Exactly which photo was that, DeeDee? The photo of her on the carpeting that I posted showed a black, white and brown leopard print cloth hair tie in the child's hair.

Hasn't it been determined that child on the living room floor was not JonBenét but the character who played her in the movie. Isn't it a screenshot taken from Schiller's PMPT?



How do you know it was a black, white and red scrunci in her hair?

Could JB have been wearing the satin bow taken in the pursuit of evidence according to the Dec. 27, 1996 Search Warrant?


satin bow (86BAB)




JB was wearing black boots with leopard print trim with her white Gap shirt and black velvet jeans and vest. I guess she could wear a black, white and red scrunci with black, white and brown leopard print on her boots? For my daughter's hair, I would have selected a white satin bow or the leopard print like they did for the movie PMPT.



UKGuy, ST did ask Patsy about JBs bedtime hairstyle routines. JB typically wore one ponytail in a rubber band to bed. What he should have asked was how was her hair styled when she left her daughter's room after putting her into longjohns and kissing her goodnight.

ST was brought into the case rather quickly, on December 28. ST was well equipped or else why bring in this brilliant, young detective? ST did not hold as much power as AH or Patsy would have been in prison and not in Atlanta.




I admire a man who can speak the truth without regrets.

OMO

DeeDee,

UKGuy, ST did ask Patsy about JBs bedtime hairstyle routines. JB typically wore one ponytail in a rubber band to bed. What he should have asked was how was her hair styled when she left her daughter's room after putting her into longjohns and kissing her goodnight.

I agree, yet nobody has commented on JonBenet's hairstyle whilst at the White's, thereby eliminating any requirement to discuss JonBenet's hairstyle, and ponytail count. The BPD have the pictures taken at the White's, so hairstyle routines should be a redundant topic?

I suspect JonBenet's two ponytails represents after the fact staging to fake her having gone to bed, when she never ever made it to her bedroom, until she was placed there by some Ramsey fabricating a crime-scene?

It might even have been BR who faked this aspect, dressing JonBenet in the Pink Barbie Nightgown, and size-12's?

His semen may have been deposited on the size-6 underwear?


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[DeDee]

RSBM

I suspect JonBenet was placed in a staged bedroom crime-scene, i.e. bloodstain on the pillow, to effect an intruder homicide.

This was later amended to that of the wine-cellar along with the ransom-note to explain away JonBenet's relocation?

Removal of JonBenet's size-6 underwear is a red-flag, since forensic contamination by an intruder is incidental, alike the alleged touch-dna, but by that of a Ramsey patently a smoking gun. So you might conjecture either blood or semen from a Ramsey as being deposited on the size-6 underwear?

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I suspect JonBenet was placed in a staged bedroom crime-scene, i.e. bloodstain on the pillow, to effect an intruder homicide.

Interesting. The pillow typically belonged on that twin bed where JB slept. It's just placed at the foot of the bed that makes it stand out. There are red stains on the pillowcase [which could be staged for the purpose you gave] and there are red stains on the pink nightgown found in the cement room with the victim's body.

Removal of JonBenet's size-6 underwear is a red-flag, since forensic contamination by an intruder is incidental, alike the alleged touch-dna, but by that of a Ramsey patently a smoking gun. So you might conjecture either blood or semen from a Ramsey as being deposited on the size-6 underwear?

Wouldn't a sexual encounter with a close family member possibly include removal of her [size 6] panties? Over a dozen size 4 - 6 panties were taken with the SW. They did not all come from one location in the home.


Also can we safely assume another Ramsey bled during the altercation? No. There is no evidence to prove that JonBenét fought her attacker or any reason for the attacker to have become injured.

It is possible that if JR ejaculated, he had a way of tidying that hid the evidence. If BDI, would he have the foresight to hide or destroy the evidence of his semen on or inside his baby sister?

The AR indicates it was only her blood smears that were wiped from her body with possibly a blue cloth that left little fabric nubs. That's her blood in 3 places. Add the two red stains on the Bloomies to make 5 places where her blood is found at the CS. Correct?


One thing is for certain. The size 12 Wednesday Bloomies were placed on her intentionally and deliberately to point to -----> the ongoing abuse NOT away from it.

 

[DeeDee249]

Exactly which photo was that, DeeDee? The photo of her on the carpeting that I posted showed a black, white and brown leopard print cloth hair tie in the child's hair.

Hasn't it been determined that child on the living room floor was not JonBenét but the character who played her in the movie. Isn't it a screenshot taken from Schiller's PMPT?



How do you know it was a black, white and red scrunci in her hair?

Could JB have been wearing the satin bow taken in the pursuit of evidence according to the Dec. 27, 1996 Search Warrant?


satin bow (86BAB)




JB was wearing black boots with leopard print trim with her white Gap shirt and black velvet jeans and vest. I guess she could wear a black, white and red scrunci with black, white and brown leopard print on her boots? For my daughter's hair, I would have selected a white satin bow or the leopard print like they did for the movie PMPT.



UKGuy, ST did ask Patsy about JBs bedtime hairstyle routines. JB typically wore one ponytail in a rubber band to bed. What he should have asked was how was her hair styled when she left her daughter's room after putting her into longjohns and kissing her goodnight.

ST was brought into the case rather quickly, on December 28. ST was well equipped or else why bring in this brilliant, young detective? ST did not hold as much power as AH or Patsy would have been in prison and not in Atlanta.




I admire a man who can speak the truth without regrets.

OMO

I guess it depends how you look at it. I don't see leopard print. It is also easy to get confused with the pattern on the rug itself. It was either in the evidence lists on ACR or one of the books I have read where I saw the "cloth hairtie" described as red/black/white.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,
Sure, I became lost in my sentence construction and ended up using hair-tie as a synonym for ponytail.

Would JonBenet have worn assymetric ponytails to the White's party?

Could the ponytail without a hair-tie represent an attempt to reconstruct her appearance at the White's party?

Alike the size-12's, not quite hitting the target, and absence of a hair-tie being the give away?

I suspect JonBenet was placed in a staged bedroom crime-scene, i.e. bloodstain on the pillow, to effect an intruder homicide.

This was later amended to that of the wine-cellar along with the ransom-note to explain away JonBenet's relocation?

Removal of JonBenet's size-6 underwear is a red-flag, since forensic contamination by an intruder is incidental, alike the alleged touch-dna, but by that of a Ramsey patently a smoking gun. So you might conjecture either blood or semen from a Ramsey as being deposited on the size-6 underwear?

.

I doubt JB would have worn the two ponytails to the party. The bottom one was a bed-time hairstyle, according to Patsy, who said she always pulled her long hair into a ponytail at the back of her neck for sleeping.
I do not read much at ALL into the two ponytails. I know a lot of people try to link the ponytails to the crime or staging. I do not. I see them as having nothing to do with either the crime or staging. As I said, I could envision JB wearing the TOP ponytail with the cloth hairtie to the party and Patsy making the bottom ponytail when they got home, as JB was readied for bed.

 

[DeDee]

Affidavit for Search Warrant December 26, 1996

The following is an inventory of property taken pursuant to the search warrant:

Body of JonBenet Ramsey


Items recovered from body include; green SD,216, green fl4k, trace evidence, piece of paper, white fiber, hairs/fibers, white cord, white long sleeve shirt, white long sleeve underwear bottoms, panties w/floral print, white ligature, gold colored necklace w/cross, gold colored ring, gold colored bracelet, black/white/red hairtie, blue hairtie, hairtie.

There is the black/white/red hairtie, DeeDee.


http://jfjbr.tripod.com/truth/search.html


Possibilities for the white fleck on her cheek:

trace evidence
piece of paper [most likely]
white fiber [cotton, maybe]

 

[bettybaby00]

Affidavit for Search Warrant December 26, 1996





There is the black/white/red hairtie, DeeDee.


http://jfjbr.tripod.com/truth/search.html


Possibilities for the white fleck on her cheek:

trace evidence
piece of paper [most likely]
white fiber [cotton, maybe]

I was just asking in another thread about the "white fleck" on her cheek.

 

[UKGuy]

I doubt JB would have worn the two ponytails to the party. The bottom one was a bed-time hairstyle, according to Patsy, who said she always pulled her long hair into a ponytail at the back of her neck for sleeping.
I do not read much at ALL into the two ponytails. I know a lot of people try to link the ponytails to the crime or staging. I do not. I see them as having nothing to do with either the crime or staging. As I said, I could envision JB wearing the TOP ponytail with the cloth hairtie to the party and Patsy making the bottom ponytail when they got home, as JB was readied for bed.

DeeDee249,

The bottom one was a bed-time hairstyle, according to Patsy, who said she always pulled her long hair into a ponytail at the back of her neck for sleeping.

So did Patsy fashion the ponytail(s) prior to bedtime or on bedtime? If so why does Patsy thereafter miss all her own contradictory crime-scene clues, e.g. Pinapple snack, Ponytail, size-12's etc?

I think this aspect of the case is better explained by someone else doing most of the staging, i.e. a male, who misses all the obvious clues alike size-12's, bloodstains on pillows and nightgowns, etc.

As I said, I could envision JB wearing the TOP ponytail with the cloth hairtie to the party and Patsy making the bottom ponytail when they got home, as JB was readied for bed.

ITA. Yet the bedtime ponytail does not agree with the R's version of events?

This allows the possibility that the bottom ponytail might represent staging?

Otherwise, as you suggest, we know Patsy readied JonBenet for bed, did she arrive there?

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[UKGuy]

Interesting. The pillow typically belonged on that twin bed where JB slept. It's just placed at the foot of the bed that makes it stand out. There are red stains on the pillowcase [which could be staged for the purpose you gave] and there are red stains on the pink nightgown found in the cement room with the victim's body.





Wouldn't a sexual encounter with a close family member possibly include removal of her [size 6] panties? Over a dozen size 4 - 6 panties were taken with the SW. They did not all come from one location in the home.


Also can we safely assume another Ramsey bled during the altercation? No. There is no evidence to prove that JonBenét fought her attacker or any reason for the attacker to have become injured.

It is possible that if JR ejaculated, he had a way of tidying that hid the evidence. If BDI, would he have the foresight to hide or destroy the evidence of his semen on or inside his baby sister?

The AR indicates it was only her blood smears that were wiped from her body with possibly a blue cloth that left little fabric nubs. That's her blood in 3 places. Add the two red stains on the Bloomies to make 5 places where her blood is found at the CS. Correct?


One thing is for certain. The size 12 Wednesday Bloomies were placed on her intentionally and deliberately to point to -----> the ongoing abuse NOT away from it.

DeDee,
If an R is going to fake an intruder homicide then blood on JonBenet's underwear or body is simply an incidental consequence.

R semen on the size-6 underwear must be removed!

The ponytails, the size-12's, the pinapple snack combined suggest to me that Patsy did not assault JonBenet.

I reckon it was a male R?

.

 

[pukasonqo2]

whenever i think of the ransom note it takes me to patty hearst's kidnapping and the symbionese liberation army (SLA), PR would certainly have known about it and it became, together with the lindbergh's baby kidnapping and the other male heir ( i totally lost the name) who had his ear cut by kidnappers


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[DeeDee249]

DeDee,
If an R is going to fake an intruder homicide then blood on JonBenet's underwear or body is simply an incidental consequence.

R semen on the size-6 underwear must be removed!

The ponytails, the size-12's, the pinapple snack combined suggest to me that Patsy did not assault JonBenet.

I reckon it was a male R?

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No semen was found in or on JB. Of course, we do not know what happened to the original panties JB was wearing in her own size, but I doubt semen would be on her panties and not on her skin. We know she was wiped down, so that to the naked eye there was no blood OR semen. But just as the back light (fluoroscope) revealed the presence of her blood on her skin, it would have revealed semen as well.
That being said, I do believe her molester was male- regardless of the presence or absence of semen.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,

So did Patsy fashion the ponytail(s) prior to bedtime or on bedtime? If so why does Patsy thereafter miss all her own contradictory crime-scene clues, e.g. Pinapple snack, Ponytail, size-12's etc?

I think this aspect of the case is better explained by someone else doing most of the staging, i.e. a male, who misses all the obvious clues alike size-12's, bloodstains on pillows and nightgowns, etc.



ITA. Yet the bedtime ponytail does not agree with the R's version of events?

This allows the possibility that the bottom ponytail might represent staging?

Otherwise, as you suggest, we know Patsy readied JonBenet for bed, did she arrive there?

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I think Patsy made the bottom ponytail as she got JB ready for bed- so I don't think it matters wether it was at bedtime or prior- it makes no difference as far as the crime/staging. Obviously, had she been questioned further (and answered) it would have come out that JB was awake at some point after they got home. So- just like the pineapple snack- Patsy would have to have made up some fantastic lie about the "intruder" fixing JB's hair in her usual bedtime ponytail. Because if Patsy said she did it, it exposed the lie about whether she was awake or not. I do not believe she was questioned in detail or asked specifically if she made that ponytail THAT night. I just recall her discussing that she usually made a ponytail at bedtime for JB.
Obviously the R's version of events would differ. I do not think the bottom ponytail was staging. I think she simply made the usual bedtime hairstyle after they got home and never gave it a second thought. Like the pineapple snack and oversize panties, the double ponytails were something the Rs never gave a second thought to. They never thought they would be noticed by anyone else or that anyone would question them or make much out of them. When it turned out to be noticed and questioned- their only choice was to distance themselves from it.

 

[bettybaby00]

Wait I'm confused...did Patsy state she didn't put her hair in a 2nd ponytail? :scared: