PDI and The Abuse?

[DeeDee249]

JB's hair seems to be highlighted, so it was a different process then dying to cover gray, like Patsy. (highlighting used to be called "frosted" hair). There are kits to do this at home, but I am pretty sure Patsy wouldn't have done JB's hair herself. I had read that when she first began to color JB's hair, she had a hard time finding a hairdresser to color the hair of a child that young. Her natural hair was a sandy brown, not very dark, and that "base color" would come up to blonde pretty quickly during the coloring process.

 

[otg]

otg, you are so good at working with photos, could you possibly do some work on JB's haircolor from the photos in question and see if you have any opinions as to whether or not JB's hair could have indicated a color treatment between Christmas morning and the time of her death?

One point about the apparent dark roots showing in some of the photos taken of JonBenet is that I know sometimes people even with naturally blonde hair will appear to have darker hair at the scalp because of the lighting effects, especially when taken with a flash. So I don’t know if the photos we’re looking at really show accurately the color of her hair. If you look at some of the photos of her in pageants (when you’d certainly expect her to have a fresh color job), you can even see some of this effect near the scalp where her hair was parted for bangs.

But to the matter of whether or not her hair had been touched up just prior to her death, I have something to add which is going to require a bit of an explanation. IOW, excuse me while I give you a long-winded narrative before I share something pertinent.

Some time back, I found/acquired/got access to (whatever we should call it) a couple of photos which haven’t (to my knowledge) been very widely made public. I’ve been torn as to whether I should share these photos or not because they have important clues in them addressing several issues, one of which is hair color and how the hair was pulled for the two ponytails. But they show something I feel is too shocking and graphic for me to want to take responsibility for making public. Maybe others have seen these photos, but I hadn’t, and I have to tell you that it has bothered me ever since I saw them. What is so terrible about one of the photos is that it shows JonBenet’s full face in death. Maybe some will say I’m being a wimp (that doesn’t bother me), but in our attempt to be “clinical” in our discussions here, I can’t lose sight of the fact that we are talking about a real person who died under terrible circumstances -- someone whose killer has not had to pay the price of what we think should be “justice” (although I might argue today that the justice that has been dealt may be worse than that which might have been served by a courtroom).

So all that is simply to prepare you to see an autopsy photo that you will have a choice to either open and see it -- or not. I’ve taken the extra step of blanking out her facial features so it isn’t as bad as what I have to live with having seen. I won’t comment yet on what I see as points of evidence in the photo until those who choose to see it have had a chance without the influence of someone else’s opinion. If you are running across this post some time after people have begun posting their observations, I would suggest you look at the photo (if you choose to) before reading other comments so you can look at it without the influence of others.


Do not click on the following link unless you’ve read the above and are prepared to see the photo:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/124e8w7.jpg

 

[DeDee]

CS discussion.
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The undisclosed photo, unto me, until today, coupled with a study of photos previously mentioned, and the additional CS photo of victim's head with her hair pictured on the woven carpet, have found me convinced the child's hair was not colored nor was it highlighted on Christmas Day.

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otg, oh! For a glance at your files! One may believe one has become desensitized to sickening autopsy photos only to find out it is not so. I was aware of the photo you so kindly shared, in a different altered state, as it was shown on abc. Your discretion is appreciated.


It was startling to me how large the abrasion along the right jawline appears to be as I do not recall it seeming to be that enormous on her tiny face.

The RT shoulder abrasion resembles the facial abrasion only it hasn't turned dark and it has those stripes mysteriously radiating left and right away from the center.

OMO

 

[DeeDee249]

I speak only for myself, but I am glad you posted the photos. It made the shoulder bruise much more visible. The shoulder bruise is mentioned but only appears in one other photo, and it is hard to see. It is easy to see how it could have gotten bruised when someone knelt or pressed against it when applying the cord. The strange circular mark shows up better here too. That is one of the most puzzling aspects of the autopsy, made all he more aggravating because the coroner did not try to determine what made them and it is too late now.
When someone has highlighted hair, the roots are not as visible as they are when hair is dyed. It tends to be a more natural look. I would prefer an unedited photo, but certainly understand why you needed to block out a portion. Some things can never be un-seen.
I think the "stripes" radiating from the shoulder bruise represent marks made by the folds of cloth of the sweatshirt. Her back shows a similar "striping". One thing I noticed about some of the autopsy photos is how they seem to have been taken in the dark, or at least a darkened room. Odd, because the photos need to be clear and well-lit so you can see what needs to be seen. I wonder if they are all like that? The right cheek seems to show the livor pattern, indicating her head was cocked to the right, as it has been noted. But in this photo it looks more bluish. Heartbreaking.

 

[DeDee]

This is a different view of the CS image otg presented that also has a large section blocked out.

However, the right cheek abrasion and the right shoulder injury can be compared easily but possibly not concisely bc of third generation photos. This is a screenshot of both injuries taken from CBS.

Warning Crime Scene Photo:
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608038898177477832&pid=15.1

http://candycane121.webs.com/undefined/HairTie.jpg

Edited to add link to image that shows the hair tie in her hair. It would have matched the black velvet outfit she wore to the White's for dinner.

 

[midwest mama]

JB's hair seems to be highlighted, so it was a different process then dying to cover gray, like Patsy. (highlighting used to be called "frosted" hair). There are kits to do this at home, but I am pretty sure Patsy wouldn't have done JB's hair herself. I had read that when she first began to color JB's hair, she had a hard time finding a hairdresser to color the hair of a child that young. Her natural hair was a sandy brown, not very dark, and that "base color" would come up to blonde pretty quickly during the coloring process.

JB's hair was definitely streaked with color variations, ranging through several blonde colors from it's original sandy brown, as shown in the photo otgposted. I highly doubt PR would have gone through that process with JB on Christmas afternoon, since the technique to do this would have been time consuming and laborious. JB's hair was too long to have been pulled through a "frosting cap" with any comfort, so it would most likely have been done using foil wraps, so would have required a salon treatment, unless someone became very adept at it privately using facilities available at the Ramsey home.

It does appear that JB's hair was placed into hair ties, and from the askew hairline I would think that it had been put into the ties prior to the mayhem that surrounded her murder.

Does anyone notice the round mark in her ear with a white dot center? Or is it something in the photo making that strange mark?

 

[otg]

What I see in the linked photo, and the questions I have:

• The lividity noted in the AR is much more apparent in this photo than in other photos. Of particular note is the deep red hue in her ear except at the two upper ridges. This, along with the lividity revealed in the photo showing her back tells us about the position of her body while livor mortis occurred. Her body had to be completely flat on her back, and her head had to have been turned very sharply to the right. The angle then created in the tilt of her head caused the top of her ear to press against the blanket on the floor causing the blanching in the upper ear ridges. This is accentuated by the deep red color of the surrounding areas inside the ear.

• There is something on the surface of her face above the large “abrasion” and the dried droplet of mucous on her cheek. This “something” would be at the apex of a triangle formed by the three spots. I thought it might be a flaw in the photo, but this same “something” is in another photo taken closer up (which I have not posted). But it doesn’t show up in other photos of the same area. My thought would be that it is some sort of fiber evidence that was removed for examination that had stuck to her face while lying on the blanket. I have no idea what it might have been.

• The white line in her neck below the ligature (shown also in other photos taken from the front) can be faintly seen going all the way around to the back of her neck. This is confirmation to me that it couldn’t have been from a wrinkle in her neck caused by the turned position of her head. Also because of the point in the autopsy procedure at which this photo must have been taken, I would also assume that there was no second wrapping of the cord around her neck at the time her body was found. I have no idea why Linda Arndt might have thought or said that there was on GMA.

• Take a look at the directions of hair pulled into the two ponytails. There are numerous pictures taken of JonBenet where her hair is pulled into one ponytail at the back of her head. This seems to be common in school photos, in some photo shoots, or when the Ramseys were going out somewhere. In these photos you can see how the shorter hair in front is allowed to fall into bangs over her forehead because of where the hair is gathered toward the back of her head. In order to get the shorter hair from the front of her head into a ponytail, the hair has to be gathered more toward the front or the top of her head as it is depicted in the photo I linked. This then leaves more hair hanging down in the back. But when her body was examined, there is a second ponytail with the hair from the back of the head gathered into it. Since we don’t know how her hair was fixed when she went to the party at the Whites’ (although we do know about the Ramsey party on the 23rd), we have to question when each of these two ponytails were made. I didn’t raise any girls, so I’m at a deficit on customary practices for long hair at night. Would it be common for the hair to always be pulled back for sleeping? It seems to me that where the lower ponytail is located would be right where her head would rest on a pillow making the bunched up hair with a hair tie uncomfortable. And I certainly wouldn’t expect that it would have been done like that for the Whites’ party. So this indicates it would have been done after the Ramseys got home while JonBenet is alleged to have been still asleep from the trip home from the Whites’ party. But was only the second ponytail added, or was the top one rearranged first and moved further toward the front of her head to include the bangs? The next question is that if the lower ponytail was added before she was strangled, how did the long hair from the back get caught under the cord at the front of her neck? Could it be that at least the second ponytail (and maybe even the first as well) was added after she was already dead? Does the hair really look like it was combed or brushed into the ponytails, or maybe just pulled using someone’s fingertips? I suspect both ponytails were tied after she was already dead. But why?

Any other observations or questions?

 

[questfortrue]

CS discussion.
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~RSBM~
One may believe one has become desensitized to sickening autopsy photos only to find out it is not so. I was aware of the photo you so kindly shared, in a different altered state, as it was shown on abc. Your discretion is appreciated.

RSBM
OMO

I also appreciate that otg altered the photo. The study of the case reminds us of what happened to JB, but the photos bring it to mind in a heart-wrenching way.

Now, I’ve more questions than answers.

From reading in prior threads, so many have looked at the cheek abrasion and tried to figure out how it happened. It somehow does appear to be more prominent in this photo, though the AR only describes it as 3/8” x 1/4“ abrasion. (I haven’t ever seen an explanation for it which truly convinces me what it was---a cluster ring impression, a snap/button of some sort with a boat, etc.) I know the cheek abrasion evidence information is likely lost to us forever. But I’ve a couple questions for DeeDee249 anyway.

DeeDee249, could the abrasion have been caused by her lying on something during livor mortis process? Or caused by something poking her prior to that? Any way to tell? Also, would the coroner have remarked on her hair being freshly colored from a visual and/or from a bleach odor, an odor which MWMama thinks should not have been present? The hair does look highlighted, not colored all over.

OTG, to me, it looks more like fingertips pulled the hair into ponytails. Maybe the ponytails were added after the strangulation, in the staging and clean-up phase, because there was something in her hair which they wanted to clean off? Maybe the hairties/elastic bands came loose in a struggle, and were simply reestablished by one of the stagers? Respectful guesses.

 

[Meara]

otg, do you think perhaps that gathering the hair from sides to top could have been related to the head blow and fracture? Whoever struck JB must have heard the bone crack and may have worried that, even if no fracture was evident then, it might become so. Maybe the second hair tie was added so that the upper one didn't stand out as much - ?

 

[otg]

otg, do you think perhaps that gathering the hair from sides to top could have been related to the head blow and fracture? Whoever struck JB must have heard the bone crack and may have worried that, even if no fracture was evident then, it might become so. Maybe the second hair tie was added so that the upper one didn't stand out as much - ?

I don't know if the sound of breaking bone would be recognized by whoever dealt the blow. I mean, if you hit something with an object, you'll hear the sound of the blow whether that sound comes from the weapon or whatever it hits. But it could have been that the hair was pulled up like that in hopes of hiding any scalp injury. What's an odd coincidence (not that anyone would have known this at the time) is that the part between the two ponytails is almost exactly where the primary scalp incision is made from ear to ear for the medical examiner to reflect the scalp.

 

[DeeDee249]

I also appreciate that otg altered the photo. The study of the case reminds us of what happened to JB, but the photos bring it to mind in a heart-wrenching way.

Now, I’ve more questions than answers.

From reading in prior threads, so many have looked at the cheek abrasion and tried to figure out how it happened. It somehow does appear to be more prominent in this photo, though the AR only describes it as 3/8” x 1/4“ abrasion. (I haven’t ever seen an explanation for it which truly convinces me what it was---a cluster ring impression, a snap/button of some sort with a boat, etc.) I know the cheek abrasion evidence information is likely lost to us forever. But I’ve a couple questions for DeeDee249 anyway.

DeeDee249, could the abrasion have been caused by her lying on something during livor mortis process? Or caused by something poking her prior to that? Any way to tell? Also, would the coroner have remarked on her hair being freshly colored from a visual and/or from a bleach odor, an odor which MWMama thinks should not have been present? The hair does look highlighted, not colored all over.

OTG, to me, it looks more like fingertips pulled the hair into ponytails. Maybe the ponytails were added after the strangulation, in the staging and clean-up phase, because there was something in her hair which they wanted to clean off? Maybe the hairties/elastic bands came loose in a struggle, and were simply reestablished by one of the stagers? Respectful guesses.

Marks made on a body AFTER death (i.e. after the heart stops pumping) are usually white, not red. This is different from a livor mortis PATTERN- which is red (or purplish). The pattern forms when blood settles, pulled by gravity to the part of the body closest to the floor or ground. Whereas marks made after death are WHITE, made by something pressing INTO the body (such as folds of cloth or something the body may have been pressed into or lying on top of. In JB's case, you can see on her back the white stripe effect from the folds of her sweatshirt. The reason why these postmortem marks are white is because during the blanching (or non-fixed) stage of livor, blood under the skin will be pushed away when something presses into the skin, and because the blood is no longer liquid, but gel-like, it will not seep back into place when the body is moved. Later, livor becomes fixed (or non-blanching) and will no longer make a second pattern.
Anyone can try to see what happens when you press a finger hard into your arm or leg- it makes a white mark as blood under the skin is pushed away. Take away your finger, and the blood flows right back into the space. After a person dies, the blood will no longer flow back into the space.

 

[Venom]

otg, I'll try to answer some of your questions. About sleeping with her hair pulled up, I have girls and my one has long hair and hates it up even at night. If she happens to have it up she will pull it out before bed. JBR's hair in that picture looks messy to me. Could it have been up in the top ponytail for the White's party and then the second ponytail was part of the staging done to make it appear she was sleeping with her hair all pulled up? Or could it have been pulled up to inspect for any signs of the blow to the head? It does look to be pulled back with fingertips. I'm afraid I didn't answer your questions though I just asked more....:sigh:
I would like to know what caused that round mark. It couldn't have been made after death, it has to be before.

 

[DeDee]

I have a hard time believing Patsy left that awkward hair tie in her child's hair at bedtime. It's too thick. The photo indicates it is a lot of fabric in that hair tie.

otg wrote: The “something” on her face would be at the apex of a triangle formed by the three spots.

Since the "something" does not appear in the photos taken while inside the home, my guess would be that the "something" appeared as a result of being placed in the coroner's body bag and transported to the MEs office.

otg wrote: "I would also assume that there was no second wrapping of the cord around her neck at the time her body was found. I have no idea why Linda Arndt might have thought or said that there was on GMA. "

Lou Smit claims she was strangled twice. The 17" tail certainly allows for the cord to wrap twice. Detective Ardnt may have seen the garrote exactly the way the killer left it and that is with a knot near the back of the neck and a 17" length of tail has a stick attached. The stick was not left dangling around when John lifted his daughter to take upstairs rather the cord was wrapped the second time around the neck posthumously perhaps to facilitate moving her body without the stick flouncing about.

Someone mentioned once that the garrote stick was inserted in between the two double knots that form the knot at the neck at which point it was pulled tightly for a few minutes. It is possible the long strands of hair could have gotten pulled through the knot as the stick was being pushed through the two dbl knots at the neck.

Or perhaps pulling the cord, tightly, produced a rolling action whereas the cord collapsed upon itself and rolled up her throat creating the friction burn on the front of her throat while at the same time capturing the strands along with the gold chain. Only I think she was face-up or supine position when this step occurred.

Which reminds me, I want to slap somebody. The coroner is too vague in his report. What would he inform the jury about the mechanism of death? He doesn't even state the hair tie was tied into a bow. He said it was black, white and red in color but it looks black, white and brown leopard print, to me.

ME Meyer seemed secretive and quite protective and did not want to reveal much information to the public. Are we certain all of the AR has been released? One would think that being detailed oriented would be a requirement for becoming a ME. Meyer actually fought the release of the initial AR made available to the public and he won large redactions for a while.

otg's description of the ties' placement is different from mine. I believe the hair was pulled from the sides to the top where the band and the hair tie are used. Then, the hair hanging from that ponytail is gathered along with the hair from the back of the head into one ponytail holding all of the hair at the back of her head in an elastic band; whereas, conversely, otg has the hair from the sides pulled to the top and fastened. Then, a separate ponytail was made for only the hair on the back of her head. Right, otg?

Either way, can we agree the hairstyle at TOD would be most uncomfortable for sleeping seven or eight hours?

I assumed the killer fashioned the hairstyle as seen at TOD to facilitate their upcoming [killing] tasks.

While we cannot be assured the killer heard the skull crack apart, we can be assured JonBenét's body strongly indicated that she was immediately in critical condition. Do you see stars when a toe is stumped? Imagine a hole being knocked out of your head.

What if....she was face down or prone position following the head injury, and then, her neck was bound with the cord and she was strangled for a while, and then, the body was flipped or rotated into the face-up or supine position, with her head turned sharply right as livor mortis indicates at TOD, and then the longjohns are pulled onto her [maybe for the first time that evening] and soon thereafter she is tucked into the blanket that's hiding in the WC.

 

[midwest mama]

What I see in the linked photo, and the questions I have:

Commentary respectfully snipped.....

• Take a look at the directions of hair pulled into the two ponytails. There are numerous pictures taken of JonBenet where her hair is pulled into one ponytail at the back of her head. This seems to be common in school photos, in some photo shoots, or when the Ramseys were going out somewhere. In these photos you can see how the shorter hair in front is allowed to fall into bangs over her forehead because of where the hair is gathered toward the back of her head. In order to get the shorter hair from the front of her head into a ponytail, the hair has to be gathered more toward the front or the top of her head as it is depicted in the photo I linked. This then leaves more hair hanging down in the back. But when her body was examined, there is a second ponytail with the hair from the back of the head gathered into it. Since we don’t know how her hair was fixed when she went to the party at the Whites’ (although we do know about the Ramsey party on the 23rd), we have to question when each of these two ponytails were made. I didn’t raise any girls, so I’m at a deficit on customary practices for long hair at night. Would it be common for the hair to always be pulled back for sleeping? It seems to me that where the lower ponytail is located would be right where her head would rest on a pillow making the bunched up hair with a hair tie uncomfortable. And I certainly wouldn’t expect that it would have been done like that for the Whites’ party. So this indicates it would have been done after the Ramseys got home while JonBenet is alleged to have been still asleep from the trip home from the Whites’ party. But was only the second ponytail added, or was the top one rearranged first and moved further toward the front of her head to include the bangs? The next question is that if the lower ponytail was added before she was strangled, how did the long hair from the back get caught under the cord at the front of her neck? Could it be that at least the second ponytail (and maybe even the first as well) was added after she was already dead? Does the hair really look like it was combed or brushed into the ponytails, or maybe just pulled using someone’s fingertips? I suspect both ponytails were tied after she was already dead. But why?

Any other observations or questions?

In checking the AR, the notes about the two ponytails indicate the upper ponytail was secured with a white cloth hair tie and a blue elastic band, with the lower ponytail secured by a blue elastic band. Use of the two elastic bands being the same color lead me to believe both of the ponytails were done by the same person at least in the same place.

I looked at the artist rendition of JB laying on her back, and the upper pony tail is shown in an unusually high placement and catching the bangs. If that was a hairstyle she wore to the White's, it would seem likely the white cloth hair tie would have been placed over the blue elastic band, in order to make a more ornamented presentation. No cloth tie and only a blue elastic band with the outfit she supposedly wore would have looked pretty tacky.

It's funny that the lower ponytail didn't also have a white cloth tie over the blue elastic band, though, if the lower pony tail was part of a hair design for the party. The artist sketch makes the lower portion of JB's hair look like it would have been loosely gathered, with some of the back length left hanging down. That would account for some of her hair to have gotten caught up in the ligature and into the necklace. It's possible the lower ponytail did also have a white tie on it but during the crime the tie came off?

It would not be unusual for some shorter length hairs around the hairline to work loose from pony tail bandings, leaving hairs that appear disheveled and those caught into the ligature as well.

What looks most unusual is the way the top ponytail pulls up the bangs, because if it would have been left that way overnight (the R's said they put her to bed), it would have had to be the way she was going to wear her hair the next day for the flight too, I would think. Otherwise, if the top would have been taken down and brushed out, the bang area would have probably been very askew. That "fountain" ponytail on the top of JB's head is like no other seen in photos of her.

And then there are all those hair ties strewn over her bedroom floor. Is it possible the top ponytail was fixed at bedtime, but before the lower ponytail could be completed with the white cloth hair tie added over the blue elastic band, there was some altercation that resulted in the hair ties getting strewn? An interruption in the grooming process? Maybe JB didn't want the ponytails put into her hair?

 

[otg]

otg, I'll try to answer some of your questions. About sleeping with her hair pulled up, I have girls and my one has long hair and hates it up even at night. If she happens to have it up she will pull it out before bed. JBR's hair in that picture looks messy to me. Could it have been up in the top ponytail for the White's party and then the second ponytail was part of the staging done to make it appear she was sleeping with her hair all pulled up? Or could it have been pulled up to inspect for any signs of the blow to the head? It does look to be pulled back with fingertips. I'm afraid I didn't answer your questions though I just asked more....:sigh:
I would like to know what caused that round mark. It couldn't have been made after death, it has to be before.

Why, oh why didn’t investigators follow up with the right questions? Shouldn’t they have asked Patsy if it was customary to put JonBenet’s hair up like that for bed? They knew what her hair looked like at the Whites’ Christmas party, so shouldn’t they have asked if it was rearranged by her after they got home? They didn’t even ask about why she would let her go to bed wearing her jewelry. I don’t think a small chain necklace would last many nights before it might get broken, and an intruder wouldn’t have done these things before taking her to the basement. So many missed opportunities :sheesh: .

Venom, the round mark has always bothered me as well. The color makes it look like it could be a dried blood scab, a bruise, or it might even be some kind of burn. But not just a light burn causing a blister, but one in which the skin is charred to that color. Each of these types of injuries would give us an idea about when they might have been inflicted in relation to death. The medical examiner could have (should have) tested it to determine exactly what caused it. If he did, we don’t know what the results were and it leaves us to only speculate. Until or unless some other information comes out (which I doubt), I don’t think we’ll be able to figure it out. But I don’t think it is similar to any marks caused by a stun gun or a taser.

 

[DeDee]

The AR does not elaborate on the color of the cloth hair tie.

* From AutopsyFiles.org

"The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band."

Evidence collected:

From: http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-jewelry.htm

Black/red/white hairtie
Blue hairtie
Hairtie

According to the mother, JB typically wore her hair in a single ponytail secured with a rubber band to bed each night.

April 30, 1997 Interview
http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1997BPD-Patsy-Interview-Complete.htm

ST: Did JonBenet normally sleep in addition to her jewelry with any hair ties in her hair.
PR: Usually, uh, a rubberband.
ST: Pulled back into a single ponytail.
PR: Back, ponytail, yeah.

The image linked in an earlier post http://candycane121.webs.com/undefined/HairTie.jpg clearly shows a black, white and brown leopard print cloth hair tie and not the black, white and red hair tie that is listed in Evidence.

The discrepancy is perhaps found in the [misleading] image of the hair tie. The image may not be JonBenét but instead that of the little girl who played her part in PMPT for Schiller.

A poster on another board opined that the object used to hit JB over the head actually hit her head on top of the knot of the secured bow; therefore, hitting that particular spot caused the chunk of skull bone to become displaced.

June 1998, CS Photos 012 & 013 taken during the kidnapping phase:

(0261-22) THOMAS HANEY: Number 12?
PATSY RAMSEY: There is the pot holder stuff.
THOMAS HANEY: So those pot holder things, did that appear to involve -- PATSY RAMSEY: She has got (INAUDIBLE).
THOMAS HANEY: And that's the thing on the other bed?
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
THOMAS HANEY: So these aren't like hair ties?
PATSY RAMSEY: No, right.

(0262-10) TRIP DeMUTH: Just for the tape, that's in photo 12 and it has a bunch of little circular bands on the middle of the floor and that's where she sat and was working on some pot holder; so that's not unusual to you?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. Uh-hum.

(0262-16) THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Move on to 13.
PATSY RAMSEY: That was her hair tie, that little (INAUDIBLE).
TRIP DeMUTH: That unusual for them to be on the floor?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
- (0262-25) PATSY RAMSEY: No (INAUDIBLE). This piece of paper with the instructions for the pot holder or something.

Bottom line is, after excluding the [misleading] close up image of the leopard print hair tie as evidence, I do not know anything more about the hair decoration other than what the coroner reported:

"The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band."

OMO

 

[questfortrue]

Just to add to the thoughts here. There were three items which seemed to be discussed by Investigators: the potholder loom loops, JB’s elastic bands for her hair and cloth hair ties. The hair ties and the loom loops bore some resemblance. But as noted in DeDee’s post, what was identified in the photos by PR were the loom loops scattered on the floor.

IIRC, LHP said on a Geraldo show that the police showed her a picture of the room and asked her if anything was out of order. LHP identified cloth hair ties which she said were normally in JB’s bathroom, which were strewn around the floor. May be that LHP misidentified them?

From Ruthee’s website the following: “I submit that the ponytail on the top of JonBenet's head tied with the cloth hair tie is secured with one of the loom "stretching Loops" that you see above. ( Photo depicted on the website http://ruthees_library.tripod.com/stungun.html)

“If that is true, is likely that JonBenet's hair was washed and dressed in her bedroom before she was taken to the basement. I do have reason to believe that. The loom fabric pieces were scattered across the floor in JonBenet's bedroom . . . “

Seems to me BPD were trying to establish how her hair was different at the W's party (if it was) from the way her ponytails were styled after the crime, especially since the R's said she was put to bed "zonked." It goes to the R explanation that the intruder fed her pineapple and maybe restyled her hair? Or someone else did.

(We need the W party photos.)

 

[midwest mama]

The AR does not elaborate on the color of the cloth hair tie.



Evidence collected:



According to the mother, JB typically wore her hair in a single ponytail secured with a rubber band to bed each night.




The image linked in an earlier post http://candycane121.webs.com/undefined/HairTie.jpg clearly shows a black, white and brown leopard print cloth hair tie and not the black, white and red hair tie that is listed in Evidence.

The discrepancy is perhaps found in the [misleading] image of the hair tie. The image may not be JonBenét but instead that of the little girl who played her part in PMPT for Schiller.

A poster on another board opined that the object used to hit JB over the head actually hit her head on top of the knot of the secured bow; therefore, hitting that particular spot caused the chunk of skull bone to become displaced.

June 1998, CS Photos 012 & 013 taken during the kidnapping phase:




Bottom line is, after excluding the [misleading] close up image of the leopard print hair tie as evidence, I do not know anything more about the hair decoration other than what the coroner reported:



OMO

I appreciate your catch on the AR not using "white" in connection with cloth hair tie. I often read things very late at night, and can admit I could read things differently. Truly sorry if I was misleading, since I absolutely never want to comment on anything that would lead any of us in a direction of looking at evidence that is clearly untrue.

Justice for JB must be sought using every piece of actual evidence we have available. Speculation is natural in wondering about a new path of discovery, but we should all value the truths we already have.

I do wonder about the feasibility of JB having had a hair barrette or some other ornament in her hair, that if it took the impact of the blow to her head, might be responsible for the piece of skull that was punched out. The then broken hair ornament would have most likely been removed from her hair by anyone who might want to deflect from the possibility of someone discovering a debilitating head blow, suspecting the neck ligature would be the only thing thought to be her cause of death?

 

[DeeDee249]

My daughter has very long hair and when she was little I pulled it into a loose braid for sleeping. As far as JB's two ponytails....JB can be seen in some photos where she is dressed up (one being the photo of her in a dark velvet party dress) where her hair is pulled up at the crown in a topknot and the rest of her hair falls loose down her shoulders.
I can envision her wearing her hair in this topknot ponytail secured with the black/white/red scrunci ( aka hairtie) that is seen in the crime photo posted on this forum yesterday- where she is lying on the living room rug. Of course, police have photos of her at that party, but we have not seen them. That would certainly answer the question of how that top ponytail was made. Certainly no intruder would make a ponytail, secure it with a rubber band and then look for and find a matching hairtie.
It is easy for me to envision JB arriving home from the party with the topknot ponytail in place, and Patsy readying a tired (and probably cranky) JB for bed- leaving the top ponytail in place and pulling the rest of her long hair into the usual ponytail at the back of her neck. That is why, IMO, she had the 2 uneven ponytails. I have never thought her hairstyle was made for some nefarious purpose (such as baring her neck for the ligature) or had anything to do with the crime at all. To me, it was a routine bedtime ritual, whether she had a topknot that day or not.

 

[questfortrue]

Looking at the abrasion, and the past photoshopped images of it, trying to make sense of it, seems like an exercise in reading tea leaves or interpreting cloud formations. But here is another submission of possibilities to consider. (This consideration brought about ‘cuz I never truly believed JR’s story about assembling the toy robot garage with BR. Always thought BR was more into his new Nintendo 64.)

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