Penn State Sandusky cover-up: AD arrested, Paterno fired, dies; cover-up charged #8

[Reader]

Looking for a picture of Schultz' wife and found this:
http://live.psu.edu/flickrset/72157627612010861

Respectfully snipped....thanks for the link...that's a keeper....found this also:

Penn State defends rights and files suit against insurer
Wednesday, February 15, 2012

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Penn State today (Feb. 15) filed a lawsuit in the Court of Common Pleas of Centre County against its primary general liability insurer, Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association (PMA) Insurance Co.

The policies provide a legal defense and coverage of a lawsuit filed against the University regarding the alleged misconduct of Jerry Sandusky. PMA filed a lawsuit Jan. 31 in Philadelphia asking the court to excuse it of obligations regarding its duty to defend and to pay for a civil lawsuit filed against the University in relation to the Sandusky matter.


More at link....

http://live.psu.edu/story/57828

 

[pinktoes]

Just gonna say one word to tuck away, because given the context of the interrelatedness Sandusky, Second Mile, PSU, politicians and local hotshot businessmen--I don't think the State will ever make the case.

The word is 'RICO'.

And I think JKA knew that a successful RICO case would have to happen to reach many of the players who enabled Sandusky and other pedophiles as yet unnamed. That's the best way to ensnare those involved, protect future victims. And, possibly, might be the only way to convict even Sandusky alone. Because, the enablers need to roll over on Sandusky, and each other.

PA's RICO statute is one of the broadest ones in the nation.

But, then, I'm not a PA lawyer. Can't we get one here who's interested in exploring the RICO possibilities?? NOT interested in dismissing them out of hand, or based on "the evidence" as we know it now.

I think that JKA was correct, that Gricar's disappearance was bigger than any single person. IMO, Gricar not only thought it'd be tough to nail Sandusky for the 1998 event, but he also wanted to go for the others. And that was the substance of JKA's disagreement with Gricar over his decision not to charge Sandusky back then. In 2005, he had more evidence, and more evidence of a coverup. But there was more evidence he needed.

I won't be arguing this one personally. I hope we'll see the RICO charges brought in future years, but have serious doubts about that, because of the folks involved. All, IMO

What I don't have a conviction on is whether JKA's writing was more about a disinformation campaign, or the denial by guilty parties. That's still up in the air in many minds.

Now, I'll bow out and turn the dismissal of the very RICO idea over to whoever wants to pursue it.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I think that JKA was correct, that Gricar's disappearance was bigger than any single person. IMO, Gricar not only thought it'd be tough to nail Sandusky for the 1998 event, but he also wanted to go for the others. And that was the substance of JKA's disagreement with Gricar over his decision not to charge Sandusky back then. In 2005, he had more evidence, and more evidence of a coverup. But there was more evidence he needed.

If Gricar wanted to make a case, why didn't he:

A. Prosecute it in 1998.

B. Investigate it using a grand jury.

C. Keep the case file on it.

Yes, that's right. The DA's Office does not even have a file on Sandusky.

 

[StellarsJay]

The DA's Office does not even have a file on Sandusky.

So the little maverick college police force had the only file; it was almost an accident that one survived? One that Schultz says he didn't know they had?

And here I was thinking that private police forces were a bad thing.

 

[pinktoes]

Prosecute it in 1998

Because RICO would net more than the one fish (Sandusky). But it required more evidence than Gricar had--ever. It's in hand now, I believe. Maybe not where we are looking for it.

Read up on RICO. Feared by all organizations, for good reason. Feared by all individuals, for good reason.

JJ: You can't make RICO go away by continuing to repeat your numbered items. Either (1) you don't understand what it is (and don't want to find out). Or,(2) you know very well, but don't want it put out there and looked at.

You're smarter than that, so I vote for #2.

RICO. Gricar couldn't go after all the criminals involved with Sandusky if he charged him during Gricar's lifetime. The evidence wasn't all there. AND, he wanted to charge more people, and more "entities" than just Sandusky. Read up on just how broadly reaching PA code goes in defining "entity".

 

[J. J. in Phila]

So the little maverick college police force had the only file; it was almost an accident that one survived? One that Schultz says he didn't know they had?

And here I was thinking that private police forces were a bad thing.

Yes. The former DA, MTM, indicated it wasn't unusual, as there was no prosecution. From what I understand the GJ investigators didn't even know about 1998 until 2010.

By the same token, had Gricar been 'still investigating" after seven years, there would have been a file. The BPD also indicated that there was no evidence he was working on it in 2005

We can dismiss the myth that "Gricar was going to prosecute."

 

[pinktoes]

Under RICO--heck, even with enough Sandusky-only crimes, if they were spread over enough counties--no single county DA was going to bring the charges. I think crimes (other than Jerry's) were committed in numerous locales outside of Gricar's. And, we see that odd hot-potato-toss in PA from local DA to State Atty General. Or to whoever is available and doesn't have a conflict/perceived conflict possibility. So, I don't think Gricar would've been the one to bring either all the RICO charges, at least.

Just a thought: As an investigator, if you were worried about the security of the evidence you were discovering, would you open a file? Maybe not. Especially if you tended to work alone.

Maybe some of that evidence was erased by someone else from Gricar's harddrive. Before they gave it the water treatment.

And just maybe he trusted someone enough, esp as he neared retirement, to put what evidence he had, plus additional leads, in their hands. Particularly if he suspected a person of interest was planning to murder him.

A lot of us are watching to see who tries to point the finger at someone else. It should be interesting.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Under RICO--heck, even with enough Sandusky-only crimes, if they were spread over enough counties--no single county DA was going to bring the charges. I think crimes (other than Jerry's) were committed in numerous locales outside of Gricar's.

First, we have no evidence of other crimes.

Second, if there were other crimes, crossing county lines, the AG's office would have jurisdiction.

And, we see that odd hot-potato-toss in PA from local DA to State Atty General.

Only because the local DA's wife was related to a family member of the victim.

Maybe some of that evidence was erased by someone else from Gricar's harddrive. Before they gave it the water treatment.

It was RFG that wanted to obscure that data.

 

[pinktoes]

"It was RFG that wanted to obscure that data."

Yes, perhaps to protect what he'd found out.

One other note: just because "we have no evidence" of something yet, does NOT mean it hasn't happened. Things occur. Later law enforcement finds out. Still later they might come out in a court of law.

I'm not worried about evidence having been discovered that relates to Sandusky and others who might have been involved with his crimes. Or even about Gricar's disappearance. I'm worried about that evidence ever seeing the light of day in court. Because, once again, it isn't legal evidence till it is ruled as such in a court of law. That doesn't mean it hasn't happen.

A LOT of people are now working to develop new evidence related to Sandusky and others involved with his activities and their coverup, as well as Gricar's disappearance and its relationship to Sandusky. Some are doing so as good citizens, some as their jobs (as law enforcement, or as private investigators), and some for profit motives (the book deals and whatever). It's most encouraging. I pray some of it sees a courtroom eventually.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

"It was RFG that wanted to obscure that data."

Yes, perhaps to protect what he'd found out.

You don't deliberately destroy data that you need. If you are correct, you are saying that RFG found something, and the hid it.

One other note: just because "we have no evidence" of something yet, does NOT mean it hasn't happened. Things occur. Later law enforcement finds out. Still later they might come out in a court of law.

You might want to rethink that, since that could easily apply to actions taken by RFG.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Sara Ganim just won the George Polk Award for Sports Reporting.

http://www.wytv.com/content/news/pa...olk-Award-winners/5WakHNlKQUiqLTt4sFOCzg.cspx


http://www.liu.edu/About/News/Univ-Ctr-PR/2012/February/Polk-PR_Feb-20-2012.aspx

 

[Tipstaff]

Sara Ganim just won the George Polk Award for Sports Reporting.

http://www.wytv.com/content/news/pa...olk-Award-winners/5WakHNlKQUiqLTt4sFOCzg.cspx


http://www.liu.edu/About/News/Univ-Ctr-PR/2012/February/Polk-PR_Feb-20-2012.aspx

Congratulations to the 24 year old Ms. Ganim. She reported the information when the major papers/magazines did not.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Congratulations to the 24 year old Ms. Ganim. She reported the information when the major papers/magazines did not.

Alert the Pulitzer Committee too!!! :woohoo:

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Blog on it:

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/02/20/3097673/congratulations-sara-ganim.html

 

[J. J. in Phila]

A nice background piece by Ganim:


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/is_this_the_real_jerry_sandusk.html

 

[Reader]

Christian conservative blames 'homosexual lobby' for 'smearing' Joe Paterno in Sandusky scandal

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gays...aterno-in-sandusky-scandal.html#storylink=cpy

A news release today via the Christian Newswire, blaming "the homosexual lobby" for "smearing" Joe Paterno over the Jerry Sandusky scandal:


ORWIGSBURG, Penn., Feb. 20, 2012 /Christian Newswire/ -- The firing of Joe Paterno is to distract us from the fact that the predations of Jerry Sandusky were homosexual. If he were a heterosexual, his victims would have been girls.

But Tom Ritter, who resides in Orwigsburg, Pa, says this time the homosexual lobby has smeared the wrong guy, and he plans to set the record straight by having every one of the Penn State trustees apologize, then resign.

Ritter intends to do this by leaning on the Pennsylvania legislature, which every year gives a generous amount to Penn State.


More at link....this is so wrong in so many ways I don't know where to begin....

 

[StellarsJay]

Examining the Village at Penn State ties in 2002:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1076004-the-sandusky-scandal-and-end-of-happy-valley
which refers to
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/02/11/3086343/a-scandalous-theory-worth-investigating.html

 

[ohiogirl]

Christian conservative blames 'homosexual lobby' for 'smearing' Joe Paterno in Sandusky scandal

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gays...aterno-in-sandusky-scandal.html#storylink=cpy

A news release today via the Christian Newswire, blaming "the homosexual lobby" for "smearing" Joe Paterno over the Jerry Sandusky scandal:


ORWIGSBURG, Penn., Feb. 20, 2012 /Christian Newswire/ -- The firing of Joe Paterno is to distract us from the fact that the predations of Jerry Sandusky were homosexual. If he were a heterosexual, his victims would have been girls.

But Tom Ritter, who resides in Orwigsburg, Pa, says this time the homosexual lobby has smeared the wrong guy, and he plans to set the record straight by having every one of the Penn State trustees apologize, then resign.

Ritter intends to do this by leaning on the Pennsylvania legislature, which every year gives a generous amount to Penn State.


More at link....this is so wrong in so many ways I don't know where to begin....

He doesn't even make sense to me. I think he is just trying to jump on the exposure for his cause.

 

[Belinda]

Egads! Another fruit cake jumps into the fray. This guy can't really be serious. He sure thinks he has an awful lot of power. Guess we'll see.

 

[Rlaub44]

Mike McQueary's house is for sale:

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/02/...ghts-home.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop