AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[thefragile7393]

but has not been shown to have been "collected" in any MSM or X or other sources....

At that point, you have to wonder if it's semantics and we're nitpicking? Dunno. I PM'ed Tricia to see if she wants to address how to view the information

 

[LAborn]

You took the words right out of my mouth. Scroll and roll. This is not in any way keeping with the thread of NG. JMO

Or scroll and report. I would be a happy person to never see reference to him in any capacity.

 

[zecats]

I would never pay the ransom without proof of life. Esp. In a case this high-profile. We already found one scammer. And, without proof of life, I don’t have alot of confidence that an 84 year old who lost blood and hasn’t had her meds in a week is alive.

Paying without proof of life and proof it’s actually the person responsible is setting a dangerous precedent. But, darn, when it’s your mom and not taking the chance to pay/ do everything possible? What an incredibly heart wrenching dilemma. JMO

 

[moonbeams]

This is a very good article that details Nancy’s career after her husband died in 1988.

Nancy worked for the U of A from August 1990 until Jan. 1, 2007, first as spokeswoman for University Medical Center and later as associate to the vice president of university advancement.

As part of her duties, she coordinated the Center Stage program, which brought in musicians from the university and beyond to put on monthly lunchtime musical performances at the hospital for staff, patients and visitors. She also served as program director for Medcamp, the U of A’s annual introduction to the medical field for select Arizona high school students.

In recognition of her work, Nancy was elected president of the Southern Arizona chapter of the Public Relations Society of America in 2000.

Retired U of A vice provost Elizabeth Ervin said she was working in marketing and communications for the College of Fine Arts in the 1990s, when Nancy was brought in to help them broaden their reach “beyond our own walls.”

She said Nancy would lead regular committee meetings on how they could improve and expand their messaging at a time when the university’s various departments were doing great things but in an isolated, “siloed” sort of way.

Ervin said she and her colleagues looked forward to those meetings because Nancy kept them upbeat and fun. “She was a good leader,” she said.

You never would have guessed the woman was in the early years of a new career after the death of her husband.

“She was always extremely positive,” Ervin said. “She has an amazingly positive spirit.”

Former reporter Carla McClain said she often interacted with the public relations team at University Medical Center during her career covering health care for the Tucson Citizen and the Arizona Daily Star. She described Nancy as level-headed, accommodating, gracious and “totally upfront.”

She was just great to work with. She understood what my job was as well as her own,” McClain said. “When you encounter good people in life, you know it right away, and Nancy is a very good person through and through. There’s a kindness and an aura around people like that.”

That’s what makes what’s happening now so unfathomable, she said. “This is a woman who I’m certain has no enemies,"

[…]

More at link:
Who is Nancy Guthrie? Inside the life of Savannah Guthrie’s mother and Tucson community leader

lovely article! thank you for sharing.

however this goes back to the people saying she's worth millions... actually this proves that she appears to be a typical middle class retiree... normal like the rest of us! it is SG who is the monetarily rich one.

 

[SeattleStew]

law and crime video posted here upthread yesterday has MIke King of profiling evil stating her phone was in her car. made me listen twice bc of that.

Just a lot of conflicting info JMO

 

[MarciB]

Don't pacemakers transmit alerts to the doctor outside the scheduled sync time if the patient has atrial fibrillation or slow/fast heart rates? I thought just non-triggering data was sent at a scheduled time each day.

a friend of mine has a pacemaker and if it detects something off with heart rate, etc. the hospital he goes to is alerted. That has happened twice and an ambulance was sent out immediately. I don't know if he also has an app on his phone, but probably. Doesn't seem like Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker connected to the doctor or hospital, but information we get is limited

 

[thefragile7393]

spotting a van is not the same meaning as "collecting". IMO collecting something means that LE has found the van... not that it was spotted.

again, it may be semantics and we're nitpicking, or she knows something we don't or the paper is accurate. I DM'ed Tricia to ask how she would like the information viewed.

 

[wyome]

Curious about interviewing the family members, wouldn’t they only interview them at the house? Or police station? Is it because of the high profile case it would be in the house to not give any news outlets tips about what’s going on?

I was wondering the same thing. I don't how they routinely interview in Arizona, but I assume the more serious interrogations are preferred at the police station. But this case is so weird and all over the place and so high profile, who knows. I don't recall once a report even mentioning any family giving a formal statement or traveling to the police station, but I'd like to think it's happened many times so far by now.

 

[LAborn]

My inquiring mind wants to know, if the kidnappers can send a note to the local news station, why can't they also send a generic photo of NG to show proof of life? What would be so hard about that?? I mean, they can print it off and send it along with however they are sending the note or email.

JMO.

My understanding from other reports is they used the "contact form" that's on the news website, which typically doesn't allow for attaching content such as image, video or audio files.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

Sorry if this has been said before but I noticed that the gas station mentioned by LE is in the same vicinity or area of a couple of motels and storage units. I read a few other cases in which victims of kidnapping and hostages held for ransom were held in such facilities and wondered if LE had the chance to scout or look in these areas too?

I also read that often professional kidnappers will prepare a second location in advance to hide their victims. I wonder if it is feasible or if LE had tried looking at abandoned houses or warehouses as well as those types of structures are often picked for such purposes, unfortunately.

Just a thought and I hope Nancy makes it back home safely and is reunited with her family. It may be just my emotions getting to me but I lost my grandmother recently and I think my grief is causing me to sympathize even more with her family. I can’t imagine the overwhelming sense of distress and fear her loved ones are going through but I hope LE find both her and her perp/s and that those responsible are made to face justice under the full extend of the law for violating the sanctity of Nancy Guthrie’s person, safety and home, for tearing her away from her loved and for any and all harm they have caused her, her loved ones and her health.

MOO/MOP

 

[SlimPickens]

Which is an international crime. If another country did that to us, can you imagine the backlash?!?

I understand your point of view, but I think that this post might veer towards the political. My point was only that he has some pretty powerful resources at his disposal, and I hope that his employing them in this case will provide equally compelling results.

JMO.

 

[browneyes]

Of course you are. The question is whether you are allowed to express them in this thread. I really, really hope the answer is that you (and everyone else talking about DJT) is NOT allowed to do that here.

AJ’s brought the info here with the white van comment. I am merely responding to that. I did not bring DJT up.

 

[K9Enzo]

I confess every time I see a white van I wonder if there's someone in it being held against their will.

Same. I look for signs of rear light blinks or movement like they trying to communicate with me. ha The very first tip I EVER called into LE years ago was a creeper in a white van. (Imo)

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

He may have walked her in the home through the garage, but left out the front door.

Good point! I'm just thinking how we do things at our home. If we open the garage door, we leave it open and exit the same way. That being said, the app is probably on MIL's phone. Perhaps, he didn't want to inconvenience her to close it when he left. Otherwise, unless he personally had a garage door opener (and not the app), he'd have to push the button and run under the door!

Also, would his "motion" be picked up by the Google Nest doorbell? The other motion was picked up later that night?? Just wondering.

JMO.

 

[missy1974]

What do I have to do to STOP posters from making political posts? Tell me. I'll do it.
Wash your car.
Clean your house.
Sing you a love song?
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU. DO NOT MAKE A POLITICAL POST. THAT INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO:
REMARKS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT
REMARKS ABOUT ICE
REMARKS ABOUT THE ELECTIONS.
THANK YOU.

The joy of having a long thread... much easier to pull an older post forward.

In case some missed it.. here ya go!

 

[waldojabba]

Thanks, but he speaks too many untruths for me to believe him. IMHO

Very understandable - I have know T for a long time - interesected with him in business years ago - and I know exactly who the man is.

But I am always mindful that thinking in a "broad brush style" sweeps away the anomalies

Watching the clip of his statement - even his body language deviates from it's normal bravado - he mentions things happening in the last couple of hours. He is being updated imo.

Is he bloviating ? Could be , but to me this feels different. He's not adding a lot of superficial bs and talking in circles.

He wants to come out a hero on this and get the win. BC he will take credit if they solve it.

jmo

 

[shadowsc]

Dan O'Shea, a retired Navy SEAL and former coordinator of a Hostage Working Group was on Elizabeth Vargas and his (speculative) take was that this could be a media driven motive. Thought it was interesting:

AB opens with: Dan O'Shea talks about the kidnap business because it's what he works in for a living, right? He's the negotiator. He said, "Kidnap for ransom is a business. They're not idiots. They want their money. They do this. They have a protocol. They have a system. They're typically pretty sophisticated kidnapped for ransom. They don't typically beat the [ __ ] out of their victims and then ask for money without any other communication. They just don't operate in this way. They operate in a way where they can get their money. I want you to hear from Dan O'Shea because I think he says it far more eloquently than I do.

DO: Yeah, but the reality is they have not provided proof of life. Um and again, this is unlike any case I've ever seen. And I've been tracking cases now for 20 plus years. I, you know, my two years in Iraq, but I I've almost got a PhD in this and I've never come across this case with, you know, the demands sent to TMZ to local news media. Um, they need to go directly to the family. They're asking for millions of dollars on Bitcoin, which will be untraceable if that money is sent. And this is, they're not acting in good faith.

And I frankly think this group is going after the news media. They've created this 24/7 news cycle. And I think this exposure may be part of it. So you have to look at, you know, the motives. Why would you go after, you know, Savannah Guthrie is a very high-profile figure, but you know, she's not controversial. Um, why would they go after her mother who's, you know, got a health condition? She's 84.

But my bigger concern is the fact that they used violence at the scene, you know.

EV: Yes. Because we know that Nancy's blood was found on the front stoop. She must she was hurt at some point while she was abducted.

DO: Right, so, from the get-go, the family cannot trust that they're dealing with a with an honest broker from day one. Kidnapping is a business.

Kidnap for ransom is a business and people need to play by the rules. This in this group or this individual is is not playing by the rules. Therefore, the family and the others will be hesitant to move forward because there are no good faith negotiations in this case.

12:25 mark

 

[bestill]

The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking. And, ironically, owns or previously owned a roofing company.

Does he have a white van?

 

[SaraSmile]

AJ’s brought the info here with the white van comment. I am merely responding to that. I did not bring DJT up.

Was it confirmed that the white van was seized?

 

[Cipher Vale]

Couple of thoughts:
1) I think the person responsible is close (family, neighbor, someone who works in the house). This would be irrationally random otherwise. NG isn't a celebrity - even if her daughter is. She isn't wealthy in the manner that usual targets for ransom are and she doesn't live a lifestyle where she's neccessarily exposed (she's not followed by papparazi or the media). There is clearly some knowledge of the house and the fact that there is no subscription for the cameras. Any halfway intelligent person would know that even destroying a camera uploading to the cloud will show everything up to the destruction of the camera - so I think destroying the camera was to avoid anyone watching live (NG? AG?)
2) The perp has a normal M-F 9-5 job. Saturday night / early Sunday seems to fit this AND 2nd note comes out Friday afternoon. Something tells me, based on the timeline - the perp has someone at home expecting them. The times loosely fit a night out: I tell my spouse I'm headed out with the boys. Bars close at 2am. Plausable to say we were kicked out at 2:15am. This would be a valid arrival home closer to 3am if I claim I'm going to a bar across town, stopped for gas, cigarettes, whatever.
3) Blood spatter on porch (as many have pointed out) appears to be aspirated at the doorstep and drops thereafter. The doorstep looks like a small step down or, at least, a threshold to step over - with NG's limited mobility, this step over/down might cause her respiratory exertion resulting in either coughing or heavy exhale through her nose. I think it was a nose bleed - the drops are round and mouth bleeds just don't seem like they fall that way. It looks like she was walking slow on the porch, the drops are close together.
4) I also believe the ransom notes are a distraction or a layer added to cover the real intent. I won't go so far as to say she's no longer alive. But something about the family theory seems to check the boxes. Let's say, hypothethically, you have three children. One is a TV personality on national TV, one is a poet married to a school teacher, and one is a retired Air Force pilot. Would one of them be in a position to feel not as financially secure or not as happy with their lot in life as compared to their siblings? Hypothetically, let's say someone at 10pm calls their spouse letting them know they just dropped off their mom at home safely - but now is headed to the bar in downtown Tucson to meet up with friends - after all, it's saturday night. Same person grabs a few drinks and then heads to NG house. They know the cameras aren't saving any recordings, but disconnects the doorbell cam because it would alert NG or even AG when the doorbell is rung or perhaps it can be turned on remotely by NG is she hears forced entry. Entry is made. No signs of a real struggle because you are known to the NG - until you assault her or she falls. You help her to your car (or a car). You may or may not have a 2nd person helping you - but you do have a place you keep her (is it a storage unit? a partner's place?) Either way, you realize quickly you ARE the prime suspect. You cannot leave your own house now without scrutiny or surviellence by police. You cannot provide proof of life because you simply cannot go to where you are holding her without being found out by LE. Your motive was money - maybe you did intend to kill her and sobered up and realized that was stupid. Maybe the ransom idea then becomes what you go with - which explains waiting so long to send a ransom note. The family records a message on Instagram because they know you'll watch that. References are made to Silence of the Lambs - perhaps because they know it's probably you and that's meaningful to you. You see your wife struggle because you were "out" that night and arrived oddly late. Your brother in law also suspects you and his demeanor is flat because he's talking to you and you know it. You sister in law is full of emotion because she lives in NYC and isn't part of the everyday of the family dynamics in AZ. LE knows it's you and that's why they really haven't done extensive searches with cadaver dogs, sought that TX equestrian group, or had volunteers walking the desert.
With all that said - it could also be someone close to the family following the same script. I just don't believe the excess stuff LE is doing is really progressing the case. I think it might be to gather evidence to make the case stronger - but I think they already know who did it and they are either waiting for him to go to her OR they are negotiating with him in the background while maintaining "no suspect" for the public.