Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno fired, dies; cover-up charged #9

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Victim #6 1st to testify today @ #Sandusky. Met at 2nd Mile , he was 11 in 1998, no father figure, asked by Sandusky to shower....

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Victim # 6/ Sandusky- "I think he said he was the tickle monster..." later during wrestlin, "I didn't want to make him mad" -said by others


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Like many other victims testimony, Victim #6 tells of #Sandusky making inappropriate physical moves on him in shower


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During cross, Victim #6 says other than a bear hug, Sandusky never touched any of his 'private sexual areas' in question from Amendola

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Amendola to Victim #6- "And you continued to have contact with Mr. Sandusky?” “Yes.” “Your mother allowed that?” “Yes.”


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Next witness was - man employed by the Penn State police as an investigator at the time...now with DHS -

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Ronald Schreffler was the PSU police investigator who spoke with mother concerned after son showered with Sandusky

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Schreffler was in nearby bedroom during mother meeting with Sandusky, "I would ask for forgiveness...I wish I were dead," Sandusky told her
 
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Schreffler said police and then District Attorney Ray Gricar set up Sandusky. They had him go to the mother's house and they listened in. Schreffler said -- Myself and investigator Ralph Ralston from State College were hiding in restroom and bedroom and attempted to hear the conversation. After that, there was another plan to make another call to get Sandusky back to the house.

Accuser 6 had been interviewed by a psychologist and a counselor and Children and Youth – police asked the counselor to make another call to Sandusky and they would eavesdrop. Schreffler said that Sandusky made the following statement – I wish I could ask for forgiveness. I know I will not get it from you. I wish I were dead.
by WGAL6/14/2012 3:04:00 PM 11:04 AM
Schreffler talked about the call from Accuser 6's mother in 1998 -- Her son had been in a shower with a staff member at Penn State. I asked her to bring her son in to police and he told about being in the shower. Schreffler said -- He was very laid back and the mother was agitated. Schreffler also said that he found out that a friend of Accuser 6 had also been in a shower, so he contacted Children and Youth Services.
by WGAL6/14/2012 3:00:54 PM 11:00 AM
The next witness called is Ron Schreffler. Currently he works with the Department of Homeland Security but he once worked at Penn State as a criminal investigator from 1972 to 2006.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:58:41 PM 10:58 AM
Amendola then asks what happened between the day the Accuser sent the text to Sandusky and today. The accuser answered – In January 2011 a state police officer contacted me that this resurfaced. I told him I would cooperate with it. I started to go over it in my mind. I quickly realized -- my perception changed as an adult from a 13-year-old. This was inappropriate.

Amendola said – but his perception hadn't changed in 2009 and he was an adult then.

Amendola asks -- Did police tell you there were other kids Mr. Sandusky had abused? Did your change in perception have anything to do with looking for some financial gain? The Accuser answered that his change of perception happened in January 2011.

On redirect, Accuser 6 stated -- I feel violated. I have gone through a lot of emotional roller coasters since then.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:57:46 PM 10:57 AM
Amendola brings up the fact that Accuser 6 has an attorney. He asked if the Accuser has paid the attorney any money. The Accuser answers – zero. I signed something to let him represent me.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:55:17 PM 10:55 AM
Amendola brings up the fact that Accuser 6 sent Sandusky cards and texts on holidays. The accuser said he did that for many people.

Amendola brings up a text from Thanksgiving 2009 that said "I'm glad God has placed you in my life. You are an awesome friend, love you."
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:53:38 PM 10:53 AM
Amendola points out that Sandusy gave Accuser 6 money for a mission trip to Mexico. Amendola also brings up that the Accuser had borrowed Sandusky's car and had lunch with him recently.

Accuser 6 also said that Sandusky called in the spring of 2011 and his tone was much different. The investigation had surfaced and Sandusky was looking for another accuser's information.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:52:16 PM 10:52 AM
Amendola asked -- Did you ever think of him as a father figure? Accuser 6 answered -- I'm not sure.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:50:22 PM 10:50 AM
Amendola asked -- You didn't think anything happened that was inappropriate? Accuser 6 said -- No, I didn't. I didn't want to get him in trouble. I still wanted to hang out with him and go to the games.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:49:52 PM 10:49 AM
Amendola asked -- Did he ever touch your private parts. Accuser 6 answered -- Not that I remember.

Amendola said -- He wasn't groping your private areas. Accuser 6 said – No. I tried my very best not to look down.

Accuser 6 said -- I can't remember anything else after he lifted me up to the shower head.

Amendola said -- Did you think anything unusual happened that day? Accuser 6 said -- No it was just awkward.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:49:10 PM 10:49 AM
Defense attorney Joe Amendola then cross examined Accuser 6.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:47:41 PM 10:47 AM
Accuser 6 said he felt he had done something wrong. He said once or twice Sandusky picked him up for games. He said he was not mad at Sandusky. He said he saw him after that. He said Sandusky would take him to games years after. When asked what his mom thought of that, he said he thought his mom was trying to get Sandusky in trouble. Accuser 6 said -- I was very defensive. We were on different pages. I was a very small kid then.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:47:12 PM 10:47 AM
Accuser 6 said he then went home -- I walked in and said to my mom, by the way if you are wondering why my hair is wet we took a shower. And I walked away. She came into my room and asked me about what I just said. I told her bits and pieces not exactly what happened.

Accuser 6's mother called police.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:45:33 PM 10:45 AM
Accuser 6 said more tickling occurred and he was told it was time to wash up ... put soap on my body. He said Sandusky told him to let him help with his back because he couldn't reach back there – and Sandusky lathered the soap onto his back. Accuser 6 said at that point it escalated the uncomfortableness of it. Accuser 6 said -- at the same time I did not want to make him feel bad, awkward about it. Then he put his hands around my waist like this and lifted me up to the shower head get soap out of my hair. Last thing I remember. It was just kind of black.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:44:23 PM 10:44 AM
Accuser 6 -- "He was the tickle monster" started to tickle me, underneath my arms and in my chest area.
At some point he grabbed me from behind bear hug. He said Sandusky told him – I'm going to squeeze your guts out. I remember seeing chest hair next to my face. Accuser 6 said he thought "this is icky."
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:42:13 PM 10:42 AM
Accuser 6 said -- Once I turned on the shower on the other side of the wall he said why don't you come to shower next to me, he had already warmed it up for me. I didn't want to but went over. He made a lot of jokes to make me laugh -- started to kind of tickle me.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:40:52 PM 10:40 AM
Accuser 6 said he and Sandusky went to the gym. After the workout, Sandusky said its time to shower, rinse off. Accuser 6 said -- My immediate thought was I'm not even sweating. I didn't want to be awkward about it, so we left the gym area. I started to really get uncomfortable taking clothes off -- only my parents saw me like that. I put a towel around me and walked to the shower. He was already in there with a shower going. He had shower next to him going. I went to the left and turned on the shower across the room. I didn't want to be next to him in the shower. It felt really awkward.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:39:14 PM 10:39 AM
Accuser 6 said he and Sandusky went to Holuba Hall. He said -- We have two games he invented, Polish bowling and Polish soccer. The games involved rolling a ball of tape. Accuser 6 said -- I remember playing those games in the hallway. We wrestled a little bit on the carpet. He showed me how to pin. "I felt uncomfortable with it, but it was Jerry Sandusky."
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:37:52 PM 10:37 AM
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Accuser 6 says he believe Sandusky invited him to work out at Penn State. Accuser 6 said -- He reached over and put his hand on my knee. It was a little bit odd. I pulled away. It remained on there and I just rolled with it.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:36:33 PM 10:36 AM
Accuser 6 took the stand. He said he met Sandusky at a picnic in 1998. He said if there was anything to do with Penn State, he wanted to be a part of it. He said he was a huge football fan.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:35:38 PM 10:35 AM
We have an update from News 8's Barbara Barr. We'll add the details here shortly.
by WGAL6/14/2012 2:34:24 PM 10:34 AM


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  • #743
abc27 Sandusky Trial‏@abc27Sandusky

We heard from Victim 6 this morning. His mother called PSU police after she found out he showered with #Sandusky. Details online soon

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The Daily Collegian‏@DailyCollegian

"Victim 6" today described a shower with #Sandusky from '98, which led to a #PennState University Police investigation: http://bit.ly/L04pgc

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Outside The Lines‏@OTLonESPN

Schleffler testifies he interviewed Sandusky about shower incident for about 15 mins. Told him not to shower with the boys anymore.

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TribLIVE.com‏@TribLIVE

Accuser: Sandusky called himself a 'ticklemonster' in 1998 PSU shower incident. #PennState http://trib.me/LFNfVb
 
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Schreffler said he talked with District Attorney Ray Gricar again. Schreffler said he felt there should be some charges but the DA didn't.
by WGAL 11:07 AM
Schreffler said -- I felt there was more than Accuser 6 had told me. I talked to Mr. Gricar on two occasions. Charges were not lodged. I contacted Mr. Sandusky and Jerry Lauro at the State Department of Welfare and interviewed Mr. Sandusky. I asked him if he had ever been in the shower with other young boys. He said he had. I asked him if anything sexual had taken place. He said it had not.
I would tell you not to shower with young boys again. He said it was "bad judgment" and he would not do it again.
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Matt Moore‏@MattMooreAP

"That was inappropriate, what happened to me." Testimony by a boy whose mother complained about #Sandusky in 1998: http://apne.ws/OIKeDd

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Seattle 365‏@Seattle365

Breakdown of alleged victims in Sandusky case - The Seattle Times http://bit.ly/Ln499d

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wnep‏@wnep

PSU Investigator: Sandusky Should have been Charged in 1998: A former Penn State police officer testified Thursd... http://bit.ly/NlhtiV

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Matt Moore‏@MattMooreAP

Ron Schreffler believes #Sandusky should have some charges in 1998. Then-DA Ray #Gricar disagreed. http://say.ly/wmS3xzm


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Michael Sisak‏@cvmikesisak

Victim 6 testimony fits pattern set so far by prosecutors - enticement with football tickets, a workout, an awkward shower. #Sandusky

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Brittany Horn‏@brittanyhorn

As the #Sandusky case continues and more numbers are thrown around, here is a timeline, via @PatriotNews, to help you: http://bit.ly/OINDBI

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Schreffler said he talked with District Attorney Ray Gricar again. Schreffler said he felt there should be some charges but the DA didn't.
by WGAL 11:07 AM
Schreffler said -- I felt there was more than Accuser 6 had told me. I talked to Mr. Gricar on two occasions. Charges were not lodged. I contacted Mr. Sandusky and Jerry Lauro at the State Department of Welfare and interviewed Mr. Sandusky. I asked him if he had ever been in the shower with other young boys. He said he had. I asked him if anything sexual had taken place. He said it had not.
I would tell you not to shower with young boys again. He said it was "bad judgment" and he would not do it again.
by WGAL 11:07 AM
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No suggestion that Schreffler forwarded the information to Lauro. Correct?
 
  • #748
Accuser 6's mom worked with PD, set up sting to confront #sandusky in 1998. He told her "i wish i could get forgiveness..i wish i were dead"
by 8CumbCoReport via twitter 11:18 AM

Gricar disappeared in 2005 and has been declared legally dead.
by WGAL 11:17 AM
Police detective testifies he thought #sandusky should've been charged for a shower incident in 1998. DA Gricar, though, disagreed
by 8CumbCoReport via twitter 11:14 AM
Schreffler said police and then District Attorney Ray Gricar set up Sandusky. They had him go to the mother's house and they listened in. Schreffler said -- Myself and investigator Ralph Ralston from State College were hiding in restroom and bedroom and attempted to hear the conversation. After that, there was another plan to make another call to get Sandusky back to the house.

Accuser 6 had been interviewed by a psychologist and a counselor and Children and Youth – police asked the counselor to make another call to Sandusky and they would eavesdrop. Schreffler said that Sandusky made the following statement – I wish I could ask for forgiveness. I know I will not get it from you. I wish I were dead.
by WGAL6/14/2012 3:04:00 PM 11:04 AM


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  • #749
FBI Profiler:
Mary Ellen O'Toole ‏@MaryEllenOToole

Tonight I will be speaking live with @andersoncooper regarding the #Sandusky Case. Tune to CNN for Anderson Cooper 360 at 8pm and 10pm EST.

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Associated Press Headline being picked up by every news organization:

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Detective: Jerry Sandusky should have been charged after 1998 encounter that DA didn't prosecute: http://apne.ws/KErC4F -CJ
 
  • #750
Defense questioned why Accuser 6 had contact w/ #sandusky as recently as last year (defense trying to show inconsistencies and $ motivator)
by 8CumbCoReport via twitter 11:25 AM
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Defense questioned why Accuser 6 didn't think shower with #sandusky in 1998 was inappropriate then...but now does?
by 8CumbCoReport via twitter 11:23 AM


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From #304

Stories like theirs point to why sexual abuse by teachers — or religious leaders or relatives, for that matter — is so especially damaging. As Mones said: “It’s counterintuitive, but sexual abuse emotionally binds the child closer to the person who has harmed him, setting him up for a life plagued by suspicion and confusion, because he will never be sure who he can really trust. And in my experience, this is by far the worst consequence of sexual abuse.” That’s one reason, he said, why those few victims who ever speak out at all tend to do so only after the abuser is dead or dying: telling the truth while the other person is still strong enough to deny it, or to blame the accuser, is just too terrifying.

Excellent excerpt, and I'd like to add, in reference particularly to victim #6 and mention of his faith (AND his continued relationship with Sandusky...); religious elements can add a whole other complicated layer to the victim's internal conflict/healing surrounding the sexual abuse/abuser. If a victim comes from a family whereby forgiveness is stressed, a victim can often see that it is his/her duty to extend forgiveness to their abuser. Sadly, proof of "forgiveness" can often include continuing the relationship with the abuser. JMO~
 
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Little back up from today:

Witnesses just arrived and there were two women, one appeared middle aged. #Sandusky trial

by audsnyder4 via twitter 8:30 AM


People wondered how long many national outlets would remain here in Bellefonte. So far many still here. If they left, backups came #Sandusky

by audsnyder4 via twitter 8:17 AM


Here's a quick update about where the trial stands RT @MattMooreAP: A glance at the #Sandusky child sex abuse trial: apne.ws

by audsnyder4 via twitter 8:14 AM



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  • #754
USA Today article:

The alleged victim whose mother confronted Sandusky is now 25. He told jurors on Thursday that he continued to see Sandusky for years after the shower incident and his mother's confrontation.

The witness acknowledged even sending holiday cards to Sandusky as recently as 2009. The cards included a Thanksgiving Day greeting saying "I am glad God has placed you in my life. You are an awesome friend. Love ya."

The witness also said that in 2010 Sandusky lent him his car to use for the day.

Under a stiff cross-examination the witness said that he was now testifying because his "perception had changed as an adult."

"I hadn't thought a lot about the shower incident," the witness said. "That was put out of my mind."

He also ackowledged hiring a private attorney but he said that he was seeking "zero" financial gain from his role in the case.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...+usatoday-NewsTopStories+(News+-+Top+Stories)
 
  • #755
I wondering if Sandusky's upbringing will be mentioned in the trial.

We know that there are 10 victims. I wonder if there will be more coming after the trial.
 
  • #756
Yep, JS has no shame..he still thinks he is invincible and goes around grinning like a you know what.....hope that grin is wiped off soon....

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That is a narcissist for ya! :crazy:
 
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Kevin Cirilli‏@kevcirilli

#sandusky prosecutors expected to conclude case by this afternoon. That's ten alleged victims in four days.

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Jon Meyer‏@JonMeyerWNEP

BREAKING: Judge expects Commonwealth to rest this afternoon. #Sandusky
 
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Laura Nichols‏@LC_Nichols

Another early recess & Cleland said prosecution will conclude its case against #Sandusky at noon today. Not sure what that means for Fri.

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Laura Nichols‏@LC_Nichols

Victim 3 testified #Sandusky touched him in the basement. Victim 3 was a foster kid turned soldier who served a year in Iraq.

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Laura Nichols‏@LC_Nichols

When Victim 3 went into foster care, contact with #Sandusky ended. "I was enraged... he could just forget about me like I was nothing."

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  • #759
From #304



Excellent excerpt, and I'd like to add, in reference particularly to victim #6 and mention of his faith (AND his continued relationship with Sandusky...); religious elements can add a whole other complicated layer to the victim's internal conflict/healing surrounding the sexual abuse/abuser. If a victim comes from a family whereby forgiveness is stressed, a victim can often see that it is his/her duty to extend forgiveness to their abuser. Sadly, proof of "forgiveness" can often include continuing the relationship with the abuser. JMO~


You have to remember that Victim 6 was not a victim of rape. This is basically a claim of child abuse, and the charges would be the same if Sandusky had flashed him.

I was flashed once, by a woman, and I regarded it as a joke. Ironically, it was in State College.

Victim 6 was never the most serious charge.
 
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You have to remember that Victim 6 was not a victim of rape. This is basically a claim of child abuse, and the charges would be the same if Sandusky had flashed him.

I was flashed once, by a woman, and I regarded it as a joke. Ironically, it was in State College.

Victim 6 was never the most serious charge.

Thank you for pointing that out - definately a factor to consider.
 
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