Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #5

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  • #221
The lawyer might have this in mind, but I don't think JS would EVER agree to an insanity defense...he thinks he's just a misunderstood good guy, all those underage kids were just 'reaching out' to him, ya know?

ETA that I agree with you, it's hard to figure out what kind of defense this is when Amendola is putting JS out there revealing himself so openly. The only thing I can imagine (someone here mentioned before) is trying to influence a potential jury.

At the rate Mr. Amendola is going on influencing the jury pool, Sandusky will get live in front a firing squad!

Sandusky, if proven insane, he might not have a choice.

Here is the Pennsylvania definition:

For purposes of this section, the phrase
"legally insane" means that, at the time of the commission of
the offense, the actor was laboring under such a defect of
reason, from disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and
quality of the act he was doing or, if the actor did know the
quality of the act, that he did not know that what he was doing
was wrong.


http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/crimes-and-offenses/00.003.015.000.html
 
  • #222
They’re all saying, ‘What is this guy doing? He’s destroying his client.’ ”

“You could talk to 100 lawyers who’ve represented criminal defendants in high-profile cases,” Cohen said, “and I don’t think you’ll find any who’d say they’d have their client submit to the kind of interviews this lawyer is soliciting for his client.”

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/jerry_sanduskys_willingness_to.html

I think all these folks need to hush. He's doing a fine, fine job.

Wile E. Coyote......:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
  • #223
Don't miss what his dad chose as his profession and how they lived above an underprivileged youth center and that this job did not pay much money according to Sandusky. Understand that unemployment did not rise in W. Pennsylvania until the mid 1970s. Other jobs were available.


Yep, like father like son??

AND . . . one of the men in the book - the attorney who appointed Sandusky to one of his company's board member seats - was a graduate of the well known orphanage for young men - Girard College - and represented that institution's interests in trying to maintain the young white male status as set up by Stephen Girard.

The photo of Sandusky and those other two men (one was the man mentioned above) with their arms wrapped around those three boys is an image I can't get out of my mind. In fact, it was soon after seeing that that I had to take a mental break from this case.
 
  • #224
To learn some more about pedophiles, I started with good ol' wiki:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile"]Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Then went to the Mayo Clinic which is quite extensive:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full

*An estimated 1 in 20 cases of child sexual abuse is reported or identified.

*The NIBRS data indicate that an arrest was made in only 29% of reported juvenile sexual assaults. Factors most likely to lead to an arrest, listed in order of greatest likelihood of arrest, were (1) presence of more than 1 child, (2) 1 offender involved, (3) juvenile child involved, and (4) female child involved. Additional factors that significantly determined whether an arrest was made included whether the offender was known to the child, if the offense took place in a residence, and, almost paradoxically, if the child was not physically injured during the assault.

*It is difficult to present a classic personality pattern for pedophilia because of the various subgroups that exist. Some individuals who have pedophilia are able to present themselves as psychologically normal during examination or superficial encounters, even though they have severe underlying personality disorders. Studies have shown that people with pedophilia generally experience feelings of inferiority, isolation or loneliness, low self-esteem, internal dysphoria, and emotional immaturity. They have difficulty with mature age-appropriate interpersonal interactions, particularly because of their reduced assertiveness, elevated levels of passive-aggressivity, and increased anger or hostility. These traits lead to difficulty dealing with painful affect, which results in the excessive use of the major defense mechanisms of intellectualization, denial, cognitive distortion (eg, manipulation of fact), and rationalization. Even though pedophiles often have difficulty with interpersonal relationships, 50% or more will marry at some point in their lives.

*It is common for people who are diagnosed as having pedophilia to also experience another major psychiatric disorder (affective illness in 60%-80%, anxiety disorder in 50%-60%) and/or a diagnosable personality disorder (70%-80%) at some time in their life. An estimated 43% of pedophiles have cluster C personality disorders, 33% have cluster B personality disorders, and 18% have cluster A personality disorders.


Then this simpler link has some good points:

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519

*Are usually family men, have no criminal record, and deny that they abuse children, even after caught, convicted, incarcerated, and court-ordered into a sex offender program. The marriage is often troubled by sexual dysfunction, and serves as a smokescreen for the pedophile's true preferences and practices.

*A pedophile will not stop on his own, and will not turn himself in, because he does not take responsibility for his behavior and denies that he's doing anything harmful. He will abuse until he's caught.

*A child not always recognizes when he or she is being abused, manipulated, or groomed by a pedophile. Unless the pedophile is a sexual sadist, he does not have to threaten a child into silence. The trust, gifts, secrecy, and "relationship" are enough. In some cases, the abuser will coerce the child into silence by saying that if anyone finds out, he would go to jail, or the child would, and maybe the child's parents. In other cases, threats to harm the child, pets, and family are used.


Even About.com had some good points:
http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm

*Single or with few friends in his age group.
If married, the relationship is more "companion" based with no sexual relations.

*It is not unusual for the child to develop feelings for the predator and desire their approval and continued acceptance. They will compromise their innate ability to decipher good and bad behavior, ultimately justifying the criminal's bad behavior out of sympathy and concern for the adults welfare. This is often compared to Stockholm Syndrome - when victims become attached emotionally to their captors.

*Pedophiles work hard at stalking their targets and will patiently work to develop relationships with them. It is not uncommon for them to be developing a long list of potential victims at any one time. Many of them believe that what they are doing is not wrong and that having sex with a child is actually "healthy" for the child.

* Almost all pedophiles have a collection of 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, which they protect at all costs. Many of them also collect "souvenirs" from their victims. They rarely discard either their 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or collections for any reason.

*One factor that works against the pedophile is that eventually the children will grow up and recall the events that occurred. Often pedophiles are not brought to justice until such time occurs and victims are angered by being victimized and want to protect other children from the same consequences.

The BBM leads me to a question:

Has the Sandusky home been searched yet for any of these souvenirs that JS may have kept from his victims? Or 🤬🤬🤬🤬?
 
  • #225
Amazing...

"he knew Mr. Sandusky had undergone repeated background checks clearing him to work with children."

(from the NY Times article)
 
  • #226
* Almost all pedophiles have a collection of 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, which they protect at all costs. Many of them also collect "souvenirs" from their victims. They rarely discard either their 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or collections for any reason.

Has the Sandusky home been searched yet for any of these souvenirs that JS may have kept from his victims? Or 🤬🤬🤬🤬?
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November 18, 2011
Agents with the Attorney General's Office are now looking into child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 at the university.

“A spokesman for the Attorney General’s Office refused to comment, citing an ongoing Grand Jury investigation.”

“Earle also asked the attorney general spokesman if investigators confiscated a computer from Jerry Sandusky. The spokesman would not comment.”
http://www.wpxi.com/news/29804499/detail.html

There were 3 IPs with child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 in the city and four IPs with child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 downloads at the university.

Sadly, an IP address isn’t an “entity” and it doesn’t identify who downloaded those. 48,000 students and 40,000 employee (there will be overlap) might have access to these IP numbers.




Everyone who uses the Internet access services at Penn State has two choices: to connect by a backbone connection or to connect by a modem and phone line.
Traveling Penn State faculty and staff can use the Penn State Travel Calling Card to connect to University Park modems from anywhere within the continental United States at a low rate (see http://css.its.psu.edu/es/phone/cards/travel.html). Contact your ITS Consultant for more information (see http://css.its.psu.edu/cs/)
At University Park, ITS provides over 1,344 high speed 56Kbps (V.90) or 128Kbps (ISDN) modems.
The Web site "downloads.its.psu.edu" provides consolidated access to a variety of up-to-date software packages and updates, and is available to Penn State faculty, students, and staff. The site also integrates the Web version of PAC-ITS and provides easy access to ITS open source software mirror at http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/. For more information and to begin downloading, visit https://downloads.its.psu.edu/. The software products listed are available only to Penn State faculty, staff and students.
http://www.psu.edu/dept/itscss/internet/connections.html
• To access Penn State resources that are restricted to Penn State IP addresses. When you use a VPN, you are assigned a Penn State IP address, which allows you to connect to certain Penn State services and resources. Some Penn State services and resources, such as library services, require you to connect with a Penn State IP address. In a manner of speaking, a VPN lets you make a connection via a third-party ISP cable modem, dial-up, or DSL as if you were “on campus.”
 
  • #227
Amazing...

"he knew Mr. Sandusky had undergone repeated background checks clearing him to work with children."

(from the NY Times article)

That whole interview was nothing but an exercise in denial, denial, denial...

I think Amendola is letting his client pre-testify before the trial, then he will use the trial to attack the victims' credibility...
 
  • #228
Could someone please tell me what's the earliest date of a sexual abuse allegation against Sandusky? (I mean the date the abuse was alleged to have happened, not when the allegation was made.) I don't recall one early than '94.
 
  • #229
Yep, like father like son??

AND . . . one of the men in the book - the attorney who appointed Sandusky to one of his company's board member seats - was a graduate of the well known orphanage for young men - Girard College - and represented that institution's interests in trying to maintain the young white male status as set up by Stephen Girard.

Girard College was integrated in 1968. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girard_College#History_of_Girard_College

A lot of the problems were trying to break a 130 year old will. There were similar problems with the Barnes Foundation.
 
  • #230
Canadian hero Sheldon Kennedy to appear before Senate hearings on the scandal:

http://www.cbc.ca/albertaatnoon/epi...y-to-help-us-deal-with-scandal-at-penn-state/

This is some background for people who haven't heard of him. Things are very different up here because of what he accomplished in the mid-90's.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/colle...-opportunity-to-create-awareness-kennedy-says

ALSO, if you're at all curious about the mentality of victims from the athletic field, buy his book. It's still available on Amazon:
Amazon.com: Why I Didn't Say Anything (9781897178072): Sheldon Kennedy: Books
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Thank you. I found out about the book only a few weeks ago. I think I will buy it to be supportive of the men who were victims in that hockey program. I have recently read much about this case and another victim online.

Before I read about it, I had developed a theory based upon my knowledge of other cases over the years, which I call "the buffer zone"--the perpetrators set things up so that there are some children surrounding them who are never sexually abused, and only see their good side. The perp. does this to protect himself, continue his abuse, provide defense, discount the victims' accounts of what happened, and cause the victims to be ridiculed and shamed by their teammates, families, the public etc. should they report the crimes or speak out.

I am fairly certain that this is the case with JS as well.
 
  • #231
Respectfully shortened


November 18, 2011
Agents with the Attorney General's Office are now looking into child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 at the university.

“A spokesman for the Attorney General’s Office refused to comment, citing an ongoing Grand Jury investigation.”

“Earle also asked the attorney general spokesman if investigators confiscated a computer from Jerry Sandusky. The spokesman would not comment.”
http://www.wpxi.com/news/29804499/detail.html

There were 3 IPs with child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 in the city and four IPs with child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 downloads at the university.

Sadly, an IP address isn’t an “entity” and it doesn’t identify who downloaded those. 48,000 students and 40,000 employee (there will be overlap) might have access to these IP numbers.




Everyone who uses the Internet access services at Penn State has two choices: to connect by a backbone connection or to connect by a modem and phone line.
Traveling Penn State faculty and staff can use the Penn State Travel Calling Card to connect to University Park modems from anywhere within the continental United States at a low rate (see http://css.its.psu.edu/es/phone/cards/travel.html). Contact your ITS Consultant for more information (see http://css.its.psu.edu/cs/)
At University Park, ITS provides over 1,344 high speed 56Kbps (V.90) or 128Kbps (ISDN) modems.
The Web site "downloads.its.psu.edu" provides consolidated access to a variety of up-to-date software packages and updates, and is available to Penn State faculty, students, and staff. The site also integrates the Web version of PAC-ITS and provides easy access to ITS open source software mirror at http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/. For more information and to begin downloading, visit https://downloads.its.psu.edu/. The software products listed are available only to Penn State faculty, staff and students.
http://www.psu.edu/dept/itscss/internet/connections.html
• To access Penn State resources that are restricted to Penn State IP addresses. When you use a VPN, you are assigned a Penn State IP address, which allows you to connect to certain Penn State services and resources. Some Penn State services and resources, such as library services, require you to connect with a Penn State IP address. In a manner of speaking, a VPN lets you make a connection via a third-party ISP cable modem, dial-up, or DSL as if you were “on campus.”
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Thanks for that. I have repeatedly asked from the beginning: What about the computer forensics? Generally perps. like to share.

As I said, lots of international child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 busts in the last few years.

Hope investigators can connect the dots and derive some evidence of this.
 
  • #232
Hope that all of the sports-related cases of missing children, raped children are re-investigated as a result.

Just one sports example: There are cases of children who played hockey who seemingly vanished into thin air...or were raped. Hint.
 
  • #233
Here is a story of sex abuse and the coverup of it by some very powerful groups. Lots of similar stuff.

Judith Stowell had considerable pull with the Grand Teton Council, too. A Cub Scout leader since 1979, she was on the board of directors of the Grand Teton Council by the time Brad Stowell was a teenager.

Efforts to reach Judith Stowell at her Pocatello phone number for comment were unsuccessful.

In summer 1988, she allowed her son to take a job teaching first aid at Camp Little Lemhi. Grand Teton Council troops from Idaho, Wyoming and Montana brought about 300 boys per week to learn outdoor skills.

Brad Stowell molested his first Scout camp victim that summer.

He has testified that he continued to prey on boys right up until he was arrested nine years later. He admitted under sworn court testimony to molesting 24 boys.

Toward the end of his camp career, Brad Stowell has said in court-ordered apologies to his victims, he felt invincible. Although admonished not to, he showered attention on a few boys, giving them gifts and back rubs. The back rubs progressed to massages that ended with him fondling boys' private parts while Stowell pleasured himself. Wrestling and piggyback rides were chances for more groping. In the dark, he snuck into tents and forced sex acts on sleeping boys. On weekends, he flouted the rule against leaders being alone with boys by giving them rides home, which also led to molestations off camp premises.


When Brad Stowell was arrested in 1997, Judith Stowell was on the Grand Teton Council executive committee. Today, she is listed as a Hall of Fame honoree on the Grand Teton Council's Web site.

http://www.postregister.com/scouts_honor/part2.php
 
  • #234
In the interview this week, Sandusky talked for the first time about his dealings with Curley in 2002. Sandusky described Curley as “concerned” about what he had been told. He said Curley told him that someone had told him about “inappropriate behavior in the shower.” Sandusky said he provided Curley with the name of the child he thought was in question, but that Curley never acted on that information.

Sandusky said Curley did inform him that he could no longer bring children to the university’s locker room facilities. But Sandusky said the idea that Curley had taken away his keys to the locker room — the graduate assistant testified that Curley told him he had done so to punish Sandusky — was not true.

“I still have my keys,” Sandusky said. “And I still went in there and worked out.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/s...orney-generals-investigation-of-him.html?_r=2
 
  • #235
In the interview this week, Sandusky talked for the first time about his dealings with Curley in 2002. Sandusky described Curley as “concerned” about what he had been told. He said Curley told him that someone had told him about “inappropriate behavior in the shower.” Sandusky said he provided Curley with the name of the child he thought was in question, but that Curley never acted on that information.

Sandusky said Curley did inform him that he could no longer bring children to the university’s locker room facilities. But Sandusky said the idea that Curley had taken away his keys to the locker room — the graduate assistant testified that Curley told him he had done so to punish Sandusky — was not true.

“I still have my keys,” Sandusky said. “And I still went in there and worked out.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/s...orney-generals-investigation-of-him.html?_r=2
Sandusky may possess some old key, but Penn State has used an electronic card access lock system and not keys for many years. The system utilizes the Penn State ID+ card which authorizes users to unlock doors. (Yes, Curley or someone should have taken his keys after the first report of molestation/rape.)
http://live.psu.edu/story/50455
 
  • #236
Sounds like a very smart man.

BY ROBERT L. HORST

The recent revelations at Penn State have had serious repercussions leading to the removal of the president and head football coach and charges against two key administrators. The under-the-radar culture that many talk about as a problem at the university has its genesis at the trustee level.

I served on the Penn State board of trustees from 1992 to 1995, having been elected by the alumni. The real power on the university board lies with the “moneyed” trustees. This will not surprise anyone.

It took me the better part of a year as a new trustee to begin to figure out the power structure. I was named to the executive committee and wondered how I could be on that committee when other trustees had served much longer and some were multimillion dollar benefactors. ...............................................






Then board chairman Junker (an industrial trustee) appointed a committee to study and recommend changes to the process for electing industrial trustees. The outcome of the 1997 study was a name change to “business and industry” trustees, and the election was eliminated. Industrial trustees are now appointed. Not surprisingly, some are the largest financial contributors reported by the university. These trustees birthed and facilitated the Spanier regime.

A fresh start would include eliminating the appointed six-member business and industry group and replacing them with six additional alumni trustees, openly and democratically elected. Their removal would be a giant step toward restoring openness and sunshine, replacing the silence and haze that have been so pervasive.

ROBERT L. HORST is a 1958 Penn State graduate and former university trustee (1992-95). He is a retired engineer from Armstrong World Industries and founder of the technical consultancy, Peak Productivity USA.

http://www.pennlive.com/editorials/index.ssf/2011/12/former_penn_state_trustee_chan.html
 
  • #237
The Associated Press
Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:08 AM EST


http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=1

Three attorneys representing one of the alleged victims released a statement Saturday, with attorney Andrew Shubin calling Sandusky's comments "an entirely unconvincing denial and a series of bizarre explanations."
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But Saturday's statement from one accuser's attorneys called such comments a "delusional rationalization."

"Pedophiles often horribly mischaracterize the abuse they perpetrate as something that their victims sought or benefited from," said Justine Andronici, who represents the same accuser as Shubin.

A third attorney, David Marshall, added that Sandusky's interview "goes a long way toward corroborating the victims' accounts" because Sandusky acknowledges "he `wrestled' and showered alone with boys, gave them gifts and money, and travelled with them."

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! Anybody who is smart enough to get thru the jury selection process and is not a pedophile themselves, will know that his actions with these children was not normal as he and his lawyer are trying to say.
 
  • #238
It is impossible to believe that Second Mile told Sandusky to not have contact with children after 2002 as Dr. Raykovitz’s attorney (who now speaks for that child psychologist) stated. Sandusky took an annual $57,000 consulting fee from the Second Mile, between 2000 until 2008, according to the organization’s tax forms.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/1...ania-charity-learned-allegations-tax-records/

According to his NYT interview JS's restriction to Second Mile children was not in 2002:

"Sandusky is accused of mining the ranks of Second Mile to find underprivileged boys to abuse, which he says is false. He said that the charity never restricted his access to children until he became the subject of a criminal investigation in 2008."

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=3
 
  • #239
http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=1


"During a lengthy interview with The Times at his lawyer's home, Sandusky painted a picture of chaotic but friendly scenes involving children he described as extended family at his State College, Pa., home. There were sleepovers, wrestling matches, and children playing with dogs at the house after football games."

To me, that tells you something: why do you need to set up an 'extended family' of boys from the outside, when you already have a family of 5 boys and 1 girl (some of whom would have still been in the home in the early
90's). Did he ever spend any time with them after work or on the weekends, even if they had moved out? He had stated that he planned his activities with the Second Mile children for the afternoons and weekends. What about time spent with his wife, who is the unknown element in this situation...was she just the house manager? How did she feel about having all these extra children around? Was she aware of his going down to the basement to visit with a child at night? Seems after so long you would as a wife have questions....
 
  • #240
A third attorney, David Marshall, added that Sandusky's interview "goes a long way toward corroborating the victims' accounts" because Sandusky acknowledges "he `wrestled' and showered alone with boys, gave them gifts and money, and travelled with them."

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=3

Yep, his own attorney has even said:

Amendola said Sandusky once spent a night alone in a hotel room with the boy during a trip sponsored by Second Mile.

&#8220;He would hug kids, he kissed kids&#8221;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/s...l-a-search-for-trust.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

&#8220;They&#8217;re the types of things that people who are pedophiles exhibit.&#8221;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/s...ky-tells-his-own-story.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.................
 
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