Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #5

[Pensfan]

According to his NYT interview JS's restriction to Second Mile children was not in 2002:

"Sandusky is accused of mining the ranks of Second Mile to find underprivileged boys to abuse, which he says is false. He said that the charity never restricted his access to children until he became the subject of a criminal investigation in 2008."

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=3

Sorry, I should have posted the article for which I was referring. In that NYT article posted yesterday, Dr. Raykovitz's attorney disputed Sandusky's statement that he (Sandusky) was not prohibited from "mining' children at Second Mile until 2008. Neither Dr. Raykovitz or his attorney have given any other statements about who at Second Mile told Sandusky to stay away from little boys and when this discussion occurred. Yesterday's statement by Raykovitz's attorney was the first one I've read that disputes Sandusky claim that no one from Second Mile told him to stay away from little boys (at Second Mile until 2008).

 

[Pensfan]

The Associated Press
Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:08 AM EST

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=1

Three attorneys representing one of the alleged victims released a statement Saturday, with attorney Andrew Shubin calling Sandusky's comments "an entirely unconvincing denial and a series of bizarre explanations."
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But Saturday's statement from one accuser's attorneys called such comments a "delusional rationalization."

"Pedophiles often horribly mischaracterize the abuse they perpetrate as something that their victims sought or benefited from," said Justine Andronici, who represents the same accuser as Shubin.

A third attorney, David Marshall, added that Sandusky's interview "goes a long way toward corroborating the victims' accounts" because Sandusky acknowledges "he `wrestled' and showered alone with boys, gave them gifts and money, and travelled with them."

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! Anybody who is smart enough to get thru the jury selection process and is not a pedophile themselves, will know that his actions with these children was not normal as he and his lawyer are trying to say.

Read this pedo&#8217;s comments about sexually assaulting a very young child (under age 4): Gaub claimed that the little girl knew what she was doing and what was going on, suggesting that if the little girl had not been so promiscuous he would not have abused her. Gaub wrote in a statement that "I only touched the girl in a wrong way and did not physically, hurt, abuse or harm her at all."
http://missoulian.com/news/local/mi...5a8-11e1-ab77-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1fcJfJdO9

Sandusky has repeatedly stated that boys also "wanted&#8221; him. Boys wanted him to hug them, throw them (likely by putting one hand between their legs and another around their chest), wrestle with him, give them back rubs in bed, and etc... Sandusky stated, &#8220;In my mind, there wasn't inappropriate behavior." He characterized his experiences with children as close and "precious times.&#8221;

 

[Reader]

Could someone please tell me what's the earliest date of a sexual abuse allegation against Sandusky? (I mean the date the abuse was alleged to have happened, not when the allegation was made.) I don't recall one early than '94.

I think around '94 is correct per this timeline for the GJ investigation:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/sandusky.html?ref=ncaafootball

Of course, who knows what happened in the years before that?

HTH

 

[Reader]

Read this pedo’s comments about sexually assaulting a very young child (under age 4): Gaub claimed that the little girl knew what she was doing and what was going on, suggesting that if the little girl had not been so promiscuous he would not have abused her. Gaub wrote in a statement that "I only touched the girl in a wrong way and did not physically, hurt, abuse or harm her at all."
http://missoulian.com/news/local/mi...5a8-11e1-ab77-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1fcJfJdO9

Sandusky has repeatedly stated that boys also "wanted” him. Boys wanted him to hug them, throw them (likely by putting one hand between their legs and another around their chest), wrestle with him, give them back rubs in bed, and etc... Sandusky stated, “In my mind, there wasn't inappropriate behavior." He characterized his experiences with children as close and "precious times.”

Classic pedophile rationalizations...blame the children because they 'wanted' him to do those things so therefore it wasn't 'inappropriate'.

 

[Reader]

The interviews Sandusky is doing now are starting to make a little sense to me now that I have learned the State of Pennsylvania does not allow experts to "to address questions about victim behavior in sex assault cases, including why a person abused in childhood might wait for decades to report the assaults."

The more they can get out now about the victims not coming out sooner, the weirdness of the victims going to dinners and stuff is a plus since the state will not be able to explain that behavior during trial.

Quote came from:
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pit...reports/pennstate/s_770237.html#ixzz1fWH0l5D4

After reading some of the victims attorney's reponses today to the NYT interview by Sandusky, I've started thinking maybe they can overcome this in the trial, even tho having the experts would be great.

These attorneys seem pretty knowledgeable about the behaviors exibited by JS and what they mean and why the children did not report abuse at the time. Hopefully they will be allowed to bring this out during the children's testimony, especially from the one who was threatened by JS. We don't know all the details of what the victims have told their attorneys and it may be that others were threatened, directly or subtlely. They can also tell about their fears of their peers knowing what happened, how they were groomed by JS with gifts, trips, etc. How they did not have both parents in the home and at first looked up to JS as a father figure; he was a college football coach and to them a powerful figure, how they didn't think anyone would believe them vs JS. How when they found out the abuse of others was still going on, they wanted to try to stop it.

 

[BigCat]

I think around '94 is correct per this timeline for the GJ investigation:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/sandusky.html?ref=ncaafootball

Of course, who knows what happened in the years before that?

HTH

I believe in the civil suit filed last week the complainant, who was not one of the victims involved in the GJ investigation, also claims Sandusky began to sexually abuse him in '94. I just needed someone else to verify it as the earilest date that we are aware of. Thanks.

 

[BigCat]

I came across this lengthy piece in an obscure weekly paper. It has some interesting details I haven't seen elsewhere.

As a quarterback, Smith remembers having Mike McQueary as his coach at the camp. “He ran the show for the quarterbacks and wide receivers,” said Smith. “I watched him throw so hard he broke a kid's nose.” (McQueary's presence at the Behrend football camp in 2004 meant that the assistant coach worked with Sandusky two years after the 2002 incident, in which allegedly he witnessed his employer raping a boy.)

http://www.eriereader.com/scene/feature/sad-days-happy-valley-penn-state-scandal-hits-home

 

[ThoughtFox]

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<[email protected]>&ps=1013&page=1


"During a lengthy interview with The Times at his lawyer's home, Sandusky painted a picture of chaotic but friendly scenes involving children he described as extended family at his State College, Pa., home. There were sleepovers, wrestling matches, and children playing with dogs at the house after football games."

To me, that tells you something: why do you need to set up an 'extended family' of boys from the outside, when you already have a family of 5 boys and 1 girl (some of whom would have still been in the home in the early
90's). Did he ever spend any time with them after work or on the weekends, even if they had moved out? He had stated that he planned his activities with the Second Mile children for the afternoons and weekends. What about time spent with his wife, who is the unknown element in this situation...was she just the house manager? How did she feel about having all these extra children around? Was she aware of his going down to the basement to visit with a child at night? Seems after so long you would as a wife have questions....

One word comes to mind: Enabler.

They must have had the perfect marriage for Sandusky. They had no children of their own (small wonder) and then she was willing to adopt all those boys, plus have these sleepovers without any suspicians apparently.

Lots of unanswered questions and while she would be a hostile witness, I would love to hear some testimony from her.

 

[Reader]

I came across this lengthy piece in an obscure weekly paper. It has some interesting details I haven't seen elsewhere.

Thanks for the link...very interesting with all the history about the college and Paterno, and info on the football camp that JS was still able to run outside of the main campus until 2008.

It also brings out how this football program was a closed society, very self-protective.

McQueary's role in all this and his continued contacts with JS after the investigation in 2002 are puzzling...

 

[Concerned Papa]

I don't understand why this freak is still walking around on this chump change bond that didn't cost him a dime.

At what point are the powers that be going to recognize the possibility that he may see the reality of the rest of his life in a prison existence and simply vanish?

At what point will the powers that be recognize that every day he is out on the streets is another day of danger to the children he preys on?

 

[Gin]

Sandusky may possess some old key, but Penn State has used an electronic card access lock system and not keys for many years. The system utilizes the Penn State ID+ card which authorizes users to unlock doors. (Yes, Curley or someone should have taken his keys after the first report of molestation/rape.)
http://live.psu.edu/story/50455

I am convinced it is very likely he has some kind of ID+ card, but refers to it as a key. Not at all unusual. I travel frequently, and everyplace I go there is a pass card, but guests (and desk clerks) still call it a key.

 

[Filly]

"My mother actually asked her out..." ("her" being Dottie) "My mother was the first one... think she asked her to go to the softball game I was playing in.... and then I took her home from the game... I mean, I was a 'big bopper' (chuckles). [Interviewer: Was that your first girlfriend, did you marry your first love?] (Chuckling) Well, that wasn't my first love, (laugh) I didn't have that many girlfriends or anything like that, that wasn't, that wasn't my style.

That statement speaks volumes to me. His mother asked her out for him? He was a grown man for heaven sakes.

Big Bopper? What's that mean?

Then he says Dottie wasn't his first love, but he didn't have that many girlfriends. It wasn't his style. Oh well I guess not. Who was his first love?

Way back in another thread I posted a link from archived news about the wedding. I have to go find it again. It was in that throw back style where we hear about what the bride wore and where they honeymooned. What struck me was it was obvious his parents were the ones who financed that wedding. Dottie wasn't from there. She went to school there, but her people weren't from there. However, the wedding and any other festvity was celebrated up there in Washington, PA.

Big Bopper. This guy is a piece of work.

 

[Pensfan]

That statement speaks volumes to me. His mother asked her out for him? He was a grown man for heaven sakes.

Big Bopper? What's that mean?

Then he says Dottie wasn't his first love, but he didn't have that many girlfriends. It wasn't his style. Oh well I guess not. Who was his first love?

Way back in another thread I posted a link from archived news about the wedding. I have to go find it again. It was in that throw back style where we hear about what the bride wore and where they honeymooned. What struck me was it was obvious his parents were the ones who financed that wedding. Dottie wasn't from there. She went to school there, but her people weren't from there. However, the wedding and any other festvity was celebrated up there in Washington, PA.

Big Bopper. This guy is a piece of work.

That is interesting. Sandusky described his dad as being a saintly man who lived in poverty to serve those underprivileged youth at the local youth center in Washington, Pa. I wonder who financed the wedding and honeymoon.

Maybe Dottie didn't have any close family members. She certainly would have benefitted from some relatives telling her "Dottie, I think dere is sumpin wrong wit yinzes fiancé."
http://www.pittsburghese.com/translator.shtml

I think Big Bopper describes the known personality of fixated pedophiles= a big ol' kid. This is how Amendola described his client, Sandusky.

I want to read the wedding announcement. Do you remember if you posted it recently or many weeks ago? I am going to go looking for it. TIA

 

[ohiogirl]

katydid23 - I just now saw the part you mentioned:


Today Show - re: Sandusky uploaded 12/3/2011 (In case it hasn't been posted already)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-s_QCIoM0





I keep going back to the line in his book about all the games the older men taught him to play when he was a kid...

When he is trying to explain his hesitation to Costas in replying to "Are you attracted to young boys?" he acts like this question came out of the blue and he was confused. Right.
He and his attorney are idiots if they think he didn't expect this question and that they didn't discuss how to answer it before he did the interview.
I don't think his attorney is an idiot, and I am wary of the reason he is approving these interviews.

 

[azwriter]

That statement speaks volumes to me. His mother asked her out for him? He was a grown man for heaven sakes.

Big Bopper? What's that mean?

Then he says Dottie wasn't his first love, but he didn't have that many girlfriends. It wasn't his style. Oh well I guess not. Who was his first love?

Way back in another thread I posted a link from archived news about the wedding. I have to go find it again. It was in that throw back style where we hear about what the bride wore and where they honeymooned. What struck me was it was obvious his parents were the ones who financed that wedding. Dottie wasn't from there. She went to school there, but her people weren't from there. However, the wedding and any other festvity was celebrated up there in Washington, PA.

Big Bopper. This guy is a piece of work.

Big Bopper? Maybe I can shed some light on that. Way back in 1958-59 there was a song Chantilly Lace sung by a former DJ who went by the name of The Big Bopper. It was a novelity type song where he is talking on the phone to a gal and the opening line of the song was: "Hello Baby! This is the Big Bopper speaking."

It was a pretty popular song when we were in high school. Everyone would repeat that first line. And I find it interesting that Jerry would reach back that far for a reference. If I recall, The Big Bopper (can't remember his real name) was one of the performers killed in the plane crash with Buddy Holly.

just my O

 

[azwriter]

That is interesting. Sandusky described his dad as being a saintly man who lived in poverty to serve those underprivileged youth at the local youth center in Washington, Pa. I wonder who financed the wedding and honeymoon.

Maybe Dottie didn't have any close family members. She certainly would have benefitted from some relatives telling her "Dottie, I think dere is sumpin wrong wit yinzes fiancé."
http://www.pittsburghese.com/translator.shtml

I think Big Bopper describes the known personality of fixated pedophiles= a big ol' kid. This is how Amendola described his client, Sandusky.

I want to read the wedding announcement. Do you remember if you posted it recently or many weeks ago? I am going to go looking for it. TIA

It always makes for an interesting bio to claim to be from a poor family. The Sandusky's were not that poor. At least not as poor as my family. They lived across town in the Tylerdale area. His dad Art was very well known and respected in the city for all the youth sport teams he started and coached. He was the director of a place called the Bronson House and they lived in the brick buiding where the place was headquartered. His mom ran an ice cream place and later she was in charge of kidnergarten classes at the Bronson among other activities.

Washington was never a town filled with the wealthy. It was mainly a manufacturing city. Growing up there I recall if you were poor, you didn't know it cause everyone else seemed to be in the same boat.

just my O

 

[Concerned Papa]

When he is trying to explain his hesitation to Costas in replying to "Are you attracted to young boys?" he acts like this question came out of the blue and he was confused. Right.
He and his attorney are idiots if they think he didn't expect this question and that they didn't discuss how to answer it before he did the interview.
I don't think his attorney is an idiot, and I am wary of the reason he is approving these interviews.

I do. In fact, a descriptive phrase involving a bag of rocks comes to mind.

 

[wfgodot]

Paterno, Chairman Of Jerry Sandusky’s Charity Were Pursuing $125M Real Estate Deal
When Sandusky Was Caught Allegedly Sodomizing Boy (Deadspin)

One might be tempted to say this thickens the plot, but let's resist temptation and merely state the facts: When Mike McQueary told Joe Paterno in 2002 that he'd seen Jerry Sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in the shower, Paterno was in business with longtime Second Mile board chairman Robert Poole to build a $125 million luxury retirement community called "The Village at Penn State." The development group had just secured financing and was filing for building permits and beginning to market units when McQueary approached Paterno, according to The Daily's Sarah Ryley, who did some excellent sleuthing here:

Pinnacle Development, one-half of the developer team that built The Village at Penn State, included Paterno, Poole, William Schreyer—a Penn State trustee whose daughter is a longtime board member of The Second Mile—and local developer Philip Sieg.

Each partner stood to make an estimated $590,000 in fees and 15 percent annual interest on an $125,000 initial investment if the project was successful enough to get funding for a second phase.

It wasn't. The Village's nonprofit owner filed for bankruptcy on Wednesday. The filing indicated that Pinnacle was never repaid its initial investment, and that $18.8 million was owed to residents who moved out and demanded refunds on their entrance fees.

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the rest, with JoePa infomercial snippet, at link above

 

[Dr.Fessel]

LOL LOL LOL


Paterno also partnered up with the same development team on a golf resort and nearby restaurant and inn. And he'd gone into business with other current and former Second Mile board members on a bottled water company, a coaching website and a chain of convenience stores, according to The Daily.


http://deadspin.com/5865111/joe-pat...-sandusky-was-caught-allegedly-sodomizing-boy

 

[wfgodot]

Another interesting little "Hey, I've heard that name mentioned before!" snippet from link above:

The Village at Penn State was the brainchild of former Penn State president Graham Spanier.