Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #5

[Reader]

Also from BigCat's link:

http://voicesweb.org/archive/sn/piggies.html

Circleville Farm

Where will the retirement community be created? The prime site is an area known as Circleville Farm, west of the Blue and White golf courses. Apparently it does not matter to the trustees that this rich woods and farmland was promised by the University to the Center for Sustainability as its home and the site for its landmark environmental projects. This property has a long history, a connection to the community, and is one of the last old farms, with buildings, woods and farmland close to University Park.

Circleville Farm is best symbolized by the century-old barn that stands alone amidst the fields, as if protecting them, weathered yet strong and comforting, built with beams hewn and shaped by ax from trees of a size no longer seen in Pennsylvania. The barn evokes the sentiment of hard work and simple living which once prevailed here. We can pretend that sentiment still remains, but such pretenses are belied by this shameless deal. Otherwise, it would matter that a portion of this land was promised to the Center for Sustainability at Penn State for an ecological center. Burying Circleville Farm land under concrete buildings and asphalt roads is more than breaking a promise so the deal can be done. Giving up Circleville Farm is giving up the heritage of State College and Penn State and Central Pennsylvania, which is grounded on the appreciation of fertile land, trust in the forces of nature and faith in one's own hard work and tenacity.

But there was money to be made...to heck with tradition, promises and child abuse!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Pinnacle Development, the construction company owned by Penn State trustee William Schreyer and football coach Joe Paterno, was the only finalist bidder for the use of the University's logo and alumni marketing services which will build and profit from the multimillion dollar retirement village.

http://voicesweb.org/archive/sn/piggies.html

I wonder how many millions Penn State made off of that sale?

 

[Reader]

If he did tell of a child's rape, it's hard to fathom the reaction of Paterno and others.
December 04, 2011|By Michael Smerconish

http://articles.philly.com/2011-12-...no-lasch-building-showers-fondling-grand-jury

On the eve of Tuesday's preliminary hearing for former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, who is charged with sexually abusing eight boys over a decade, something is bothering me: the chronology involving Victim 2 and then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary.
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What seems more likely is that if McQueary told Paterno he'd witnessed a rape, Paterno would have immediately summoned Curley to his home (on Saturday) with McQueary still there. And even if he could not connect with Curley until Sunday, you'd think Paterno would have wanted McQueary present for that meeting.

But that didn't happen. Instead, the grand jury summary suggests that Paterno met with Curley without McQueary. So what does it all mean?

More at link....

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Sold Aqua Penn in 1998:

Ed Lauth, a local businessman who is close friends with both Paterno and Poole, owned Aqua Penn, the bottled water company that Paterno invested in and helped build.

He said Paterno was more motivated by bettering the community than reaping profits from his business ventures. Two months after Aqua Penn sold for $112 million to a French company in 1998, Paterno reportedly donated $3.5 million to Penn State.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_19475527

 

[lucy dale2]

LOUis Reville and the citadel???

 

[Dr.Fessel]

LOUis Reville and the citadel???

Echoing Penn State Scandal, Citadel 'Should Have' Done More

Speaking at a press conference today, Rosa was referring to the school's actions in 2007 after a teenage boy and his family came forward to give a 169-page statement to the school describing inappropriate sexual conduct, they said, by Citadel summer camp counselor and former Citadel cadet Louis "Skip" ReVille in 2002.

"The individual stated they watched on Mr. ReVille's computer," Citadel officials said in a statement over the weekend, referring to the victim's account. "They did not touch each other, but they engaged in sexual activity."

Rosa said that in 2007 ReVille strongly denied the allegations against him and an internal investigation showed there were no other complaints against the counselor, only positive references from other members of the staff. The university was not required to report the incident to police and closed the case.

"We interviewed other camp staff which were very complimentary of ReVille," Rosa said today. "When the family did not pursue the matter, we did not either. We should have."

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Four years after The Citadel was alerted to ReVille's alleged abuse, ReVille was arrested in late October and charged with multiple accounts of direct sexual molestation of young teenage boys.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/echoing-penn-state-scandal-citadel/story?id=14951802#.Tt2F-WFmNtI

 

[ThoughtFox]

Echoing Penn State Scandal, Citadel 'Should Have' Done More

Speaking at a press conference today, Rosa was referring to the school's actions in 2007 after a teenage boy and his family came forward to give a 169-page statement to the school describing inappropriate sexual conduct, they said, by Citadel summer camp counselor and former Citadel cadet Louis "Skip" ReVille in 2002.

"The individual stated they watched on Mr. ReVille's computer," Citadel officials said in a statement over the weekend, referring to the victim's account. "They did not touch each other, but they engaged in sexual activity."

Rosa said that in 2007 ReVille strongly denied the allegations against him and an internal investigation showed there were no other complaints against the counselor, only positive references from other members of the staff. The university was not required to report the incident to police and closed the case.

"We interviewed other camp staff which were very complimentary of ReVille," Rosa said today. "When the family did not pursue the matter, we did not either. We should have."

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Four years after The Citadel was alerted to ReVille's alleged abuse, ReVille was arrested in late October and charged with multiple accounts of direct sexual molestation of young teenage boys.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/echoing-penn-state-scandal-citadel/story?id=14951802#.Tt2F-WFmNtI

And the moral of that story is that when officials do nothing, and sweep it under the rug, and believe everything the pedophile tells them, children get hurt.

Children get hurt.
Children get hurt.
Children get hurt.

That is also the sad saga of Penn State at this point - more concerned with their football and business deals and land grabs than the pain of child. That is the problem here.

 

[BigCat]

If he did tell of a child's rape, it's hard to fathom the reaction of Paterno and others.
December 04, 2011|By Michael Smerconish

http://articles.philly.com/2011-12-...no-lasch-building-showers-fondling-grand-jury

On the eve of Tuesday's preliminary hearing for former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, who is charged with sexually abusing eight boys over a decade, something is bothering me: the chronology involving Victim 2 and then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary.
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What seems more likely is that if McQueary told Paterno he'd witnessed a rape, Paterno would have immediately summoned Curley to his home (on Saturday) with McQueary still there. And even if he could not connect with Curley until Sunday, you'd think Paterno would have wanted McQueary present for that meeting.

But that didn't happen. Instead, the grand jury summary suggests that Paterno met with Curley without McQueary. So what does it all mean?

More at link....

Quote from the article:

Fondling? Something of a sexual nature? While still totally inappropriate, that's quite a sanitized version of what has been alleged. One explanation is that McQueary never provided that level of detail to Paterno.

Another explanation is that McQueary told Paterno a rape occured and that the 76-year-old coach was less than comfortable providing details to Curley. Regardless, a 58-year-old former employee fondling or doing something of a sexual nature, in a university shower, with a young boy, is more than inappropriate. Curley should have met with McQueary that day, not ten days later. Why did it take so long for that meeting to occur?

 

[Pensfan]

You guys are really reaching again.

Joe Pa, Penn State, and the retirement center would not have been "damaged" if Sandusky was reported for rape in 2002. If the rape had been reported, there wouldn't be a scandal. The scandal is occurring because Sandusky wasn't reported.

In 2002, if people had heard about Sandusky raping a child, they would realize that Sandusky wasn't even an employee at Penn State, but used its facility to attack a child. People would see Penn State/Joe Pa/Second Mile as other victims of Sandusky. There would not be any perjury charges or any coverup and therefore, no scandal.

It is a really illogical assumption to make that Joe Pa didn't call the police because of a retirement center investment. (BTW his retirement center investment was $125,000 not $125 million as one post states above.) To a man that donated many millions to Penn State library, $2 million to the local hospital, and $1 million to build a chapel for students, $125,000 is pittens anyways and likely is no concern at all.

It is also extremely illogical to assume that Joe Pa told every person, who his business advisor invested with, that Sandusky was a pedophile.

If you investigate months from now, you will find that the wealthiest individuals around State College continue to invest in business startups because this is what wealthy individuals do. The grand jury report won't alter their investing in the future and this same information wouldn't have had any affect on their investing in 2002 if Paterno had contacted the police.

It has been repeatedly stated in the last 2 pages, that the wealthy board of control members, who volunteered at a charity which helped 100,000 children annually, knew about Sandusky in 2002. Please post verification. (It is my opinion that Raykovitz, the child psychologist knew because of his education and position at Second Mile for 28 years, but this evidence hasn't been released either.)

 

[ThoughtFox]

Pensfan: But we aren't talking about all the rest of the investors, or all the rest of the 1% of State College. We are talking about specific people, and not every rich person in Pennsylvania. The devil's in the details, so I think we are going to be hearing about these land deals probably for years to come.

We are talking about people who worked for Sandusky's charity, on his payroll, but also cut deals with Penn State. That is the pertinent point, and not how similar they are to other rich individuals.

And we are talking about Joe Paterno, who looked the other way and gave McQueary a job, and never told people at other campuses where Sanddusky held his football camps.

Here's a good article someone posted yesterday about Sandusky showering with kids at football camp (and creeping boys out) on the Penn State Behrend Campus. An enlightening read, since other children might come forward from these places. How will Joe Paterno defend his conscience then?
http://www.eriereader.com/scene/feature/sad-days-happy-valley-penn-state-scandal-hits-home

And we are talking about Curley, Spanier, and several other business people connected to both them and Paterno, who had a stake in the scandal staying under the rug. It's an every widening pool of names, and I'm sure the revelations will continue for months as they follow the money. Reputation and money are powerful motives for staying quiet.

 

[Pensfan]

Pensfan: But we aren't talking about all the rest of the investors, or all the rest of the 1% of State College. We are talking about specific people, and not every rich person in Pennsylvania. The devil's in the details, so I think we are going to be hearing about these land deals probably for years to come.

We are talking about people who worked for Sandusky's charity, on his payroll, but also cut deals with Penn State. That is the pertinent point, and not how similar they are to other rich individuals.

And we are talking about Curley, Spanier, and several other business people connected to both them and Paterno, who had a stake in the scandal staying under the rug.

Respectfully shortened-
I realize you aren't discussing everyone in Pa.

Realize that the wealthiest people in every area are always asked to serve on the local not-for-profit boards because they will give huge amounts of money when serving on the board. (The orthopedic surgeons, huge corporation owners, and "old money" are always on the boards at the YMCA and YWCA in my area and yours.) These wealthy people were not on Sandusky's payroll as Sandusky did not control Second Mile or control its payroll after he initially worked to start Second Mile. You can read on Amazon's page (where they sell his icky book) the chapter he wrote on starting The Second Mile. He created this organization to find "little boys" and once the organization was functioning and certain to succeed, he backed out of managing it and concentrated on interacting with its clients/little boys.

The administrators at Penn State would not have been injured personally if Sandusky had been arrested in 2002. Therefore, they didn't report to avoid the embarrassment that having Sandusky as a previous employee would bring. This embarrassment would have been minimal. Not reporting Sandusky because of retirement center "worries" makes no sense. The elderly who could afford to put $500,000 down were likely also involved in business investment startups. They vouldn't care less about Poole or others, who invest in business startups, being on a board that had a perv volunteer arrested.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

You guys are really reaching again.

Joe Pa, Penn State, and the retirement center would not have been "damaged" if Sandusky was reported for rape in 2002. If the rape had been reported, there wouldn't be a scandal. The scandal is occurring because Sandusky wasn't reported.

In 2002, if people had heard about Sandusky raping a child, they would realize that Sandusky wasn't even an employee at Penn State, but used its facility to attack a child. People would see Penn State/Joe Pa/Second Mile as other victims of Sandusky. There would not be any perjury charges or any coverup and therefore, no scandal.

It is a really illogical assumption to make that Joe Pa didn't call the police because of a retirement center investment. (BTW his retirement center investment was $125,000 not $125 million as one post states above.) To a man that donated many millions to Penn State library, $2 million to the local hospital, and $1 million to build a chapel for students, $125,000 is pittens anyways and likely is no concern at all.

It is also extremely illogical to assume that Joe Pa told every person, who his business advisor invested with, that Sandusky was a pedophile.

If you investigate months from now, you will find that the wealthiest individuals around State College continue to invest in business startups because this is what wealthy individuals do. The grand jury report won't alter their investing in the future and this same information wouldn't have had any affect on their investing in 2002 if Paterno had contacted the police.

It has been repeatedly stated in the last 2 pages, that the wealthy board of control members, who volunteered at a charity which helped 100,000 children annually, knew about Sandusky in 2002. Please post verification. (It is my opinion that Raykovitz, the child psychologist knew because of his education and position at Second Mile for 28 years, but this evidence hasn't been released either.)

I think you are wrong there. There was the 1998 report out there that had been hidden.

After that report Sandusky was allowed to retire with full benefits.

It would have dirtied Paterno's image.

The founder of the Second Mile Club would have been accused of molesting kids.

Members of the board of Second Mile were invested in the deal.

Allowing the deal to go through was not a sure thing by the first vote of the trustee's. It very well could have killed the whole deal.

 

[Pensfan]

I think you are wrong there. There was the 1998 report out there that had been hidden.

After that report Sandusky was allowed to retire with full benefits.

It would have dirtied Paterno's image.

The founder of the Second Mile Club would have been accused of molesting kids.

Members of the board of Second Mile were invested in the deal.

Allowing the deal to go through was not a sure thing by the first vote of the trustee's. It very well could have killed the whole deal.

Do you have a link showing that the 1998 shower was covered up?

It was Sandusky who announced in his book that he retired after Joe Pa told him that he was never going to be the head coach of Penn State. Sandusky's words are known to be lies. Therefore, there isn't any proof that this conversation ever took place and if it did that it was related to the accusation (that the district attorney didn't feel constituted a crime because he didn't prosecute him).

The district attorney didn't believe the showering in 1998 was a crime, so anyone else who had heard about the showering lewdness (and we don't know who heard) likely believed the same, especially since this was Sandusky's first known accusation of inappropriateness/lewdness.

How would Paterno's dirtied image (which would not have been that dirty since he isn't the child rapist and Sandusky was an EX-coach at Penn State) affect the trustees' vote? Private retirement centers are booming here as western and central Pa have the percentage of elderly citizens outside of Miami, Florida. Retirement homes are in very short supply, even the very expensive ones. (A very expensive retirement complex near me has a two year waiting list and its initial downpayment is $300,000 and then $6,000/month.) Wealthy elderly individuals couldn't care less if Joe Pa had a $125,000 investment in the retirement complex where they wanted to live.


"Of all the States, Florida had by far the highest proportion elderly, almost 19 percent. Other States with high proportions elderly (14 to 16 percent), ranked in descending order, were Pennsylvania, Iowa, Rhode Island, West Virginia, Arkansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, Connecticut, Kansas, and Massachusetts."
http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/elderpop.html

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Do you have a link showing that the 1998 shower was covered up?

It was Sandusky who announced in his book that he retired after Joe Pa told him that he was never going to be the head coach of Penn State. Sandusky's words are known to be lies. Therefore, there isn't any proof that this conversation ever took place and if it did that it was related to the accusation (that the district attorney didn't feel constituted a crime because he didn't prosecute him).

The district attorney didn't believe the showering in 1998 was a crime, so anyone else who had heard about the showering lewdness (and we don't know who heard) likely believed the same, especially since this was Sandusky's first known accusation of inappropriateness/lewdness.

How would Paterno's dirtied image (which would not have been that dirty since he isn't the child rapist and Sandusky was an EX-coach at Penn State) affect the trustee's vote? Private retirement centers are booming here as western and central Pa have the largest per capita of elderly people outside of Miami, Florida. Retirement homes are in very short supply with high demand even the very expensive ones. (A very expensive retirement complex near me has a two year waiting list and its initial downpayment is $300,000 and then $6,000/month.) Wealthy elderly individuals couldn't care less if Joe Pa had a $125,000 investment in the retirement complex where they wanted to live.


"Of all the States, Florida had by far the highest proportion elderly, almost 19 percent. Other States with high proportions elderly (14 to 16 percent), ranked in descending order, were Pennsylvania, Iowa, Rhode Island, West Virginia, Arkansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, Connecticut, Kansas, and Massachusetts."
http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/elderpop.html

Just because the DA did not prosecute does not mean he felt a crime was not committed.

There are many articles posted about the police reports not being opened to the public.

Rapes of children in Paterno's showers would have been very damning to his image. An image that was promoted and paid for by Penn State.

 

[Pensfan]

Also from BigCat's link:

http://voicesweb.org/archive/sn/piggies.html

Circleville Farm

Where will the retirement community be created? The prime site is an area known as Circleville Farm, west of the Blue and White golf courses. Apparently it does not matter to the trustees that this rich woods and farmland was promised by the University to the Center for Sustainability as its home and the site for its landmark environmental projects. This property has a long history, a connection to the community, and is one of the last old farms, with buildings, woods and farmland close to University Park.

Circleville Farm is best symbolized by the century-old barn that stands alone amidst the fields, as if protecting them, weathered yet strong and comforting, built with beams hewn and shaped by ax from trees of a size no longer seen in Pennsylvania. The barn evokes the sentiment of hard work and simple living which once prevailed here. We can pretend that sentiment still remains, but such pretenses are belied by this shameless deal. Otherwise, it would matter that a portion of this land was promised to the Center for Sustainability at Penn State for an ecological center. Burying Circleville Farm land under concrete buildings and asphalt roads is more than breaking a promise so the deal can be done. Giving up Circleville Farm is giving up the heritage of State College and Penn State and Central Pennsylvania, which is grounded on the appreciation of fertile land, trust in the forces of nature and faith in one's own hard work and tenacity.

But there was money to be made...to heck with tradition, promises and child abuse!

Uh....this is a photo of that magnificent monument that protects and comforts....aka....that falling-down barn. lol
http://media.centredaily.com/smedia...RCLE1.aurora_standalone.prod_affiliate.42.jpg

If this group of barn huggers was so worried about that piece-o-crap barn, they should have made the HUGE effort to fill out one piece of paper and have it placed on the National Registry of Historic Places and then nobody could tear it down. They also should have applied to receive funds from the historic barn restoration fund in Pennsylvania. They could have also searched for donors to help restore this comforting and protecting dilapidated bat house. Donors who give to restore historic barns can deduct all their donations from their taxes (if they are not whacked with the alternative minimum tax). :boohoo:

 

[doubt]

i am pretty certain i just heard an attorney for several of the victims state on the dr. drew show that once they testify, there will be zero doubt as to sandusky's guilt (as if there is any), bc their testimony will include graphic details of his physical characteristics.

gross.

 

[BigCat]

I found this blog entry written in 2008 by someone using the pseudonym "Veblen." In the below entry, he is discussing how Graham Spanier was forced out at the University of Nebraska by the school's legendary football coach, Tom Osborne, and how Spanier eventually ended up at Penn State:

The story tells us that Osborne, before Graham's arrival, had put into place a succession plan which had an assistant athletic director moving into the AD slot as a placeholder until Osborne was ready to retire from coaching and take the AD job himself. Graham upset the applecart. He hired as AD his own guy from Oregon State, where he had been vice-provost for academic affairs immediately prior to going to Nebraska.

This provides a little more background in to the folklore surrounding Graham's move to Penn State in 1995. The folklore has it that Graham was Paterno's choice to head Penn State. The primary evidence for this is that the chair of the Board of Trustees at the time was Paterno's buddy Bill Scheryer. The folklore also has it that Osborne, another Paterno buddy, had some role in recommending Graham.

I have heard this folktale in real time from many people some of whom had connections to both Scheryer and Paterno. Hence it has some credibility to me.

It may be that Joe and Bill were doing Tom a favor by helping him unload Graham after his applecart upsetting performance.

Why would JoePa want to bring in someone who had dumped apples on the sidewalks of Lincoln? For one thing JoePa had, in 1993, installed a 39 or 40 year old Tim Curely as AD. Paterno's boy Curley was there for the long haul. The applecart in Happy Valley wasn't going to be tipped and anyway thirteen years ago Paterno likely was sure he could handle anybody in a bureaucratic knife fight. Hey, and he probably still can.

http://thorsteinveblen.blogspot.com/2008/05/spanier-revealed.html

Tom Osborne later went on to become a US Congressmen. He is currently Nebraska's athletic director.

Whether it's true or not, I don't know. However, I have little doubt that Osborne and Paterno had the power to pick and choose the presidents of their respective universities. It would be naive to think otherwise.

 

[Pensfan]

Just because the DA did not prosecute does not mean he felt a crime was not committed.

There are many articles posted about the police reports not being opened to the public.

Rapes of children in Paterno's showers would have been very damning to his image. An image that was promoted and paid for by Penn State.

Rapes? Do you have a link showing that more than one child was raped in the football shower?

Because of a state law and its status as a "state-related" but not fully public institution (only 10% of it’s funds come from the state), Penn State university police records are not open to the public, as municipal police reports would be. This is the same at all state-related universities in PA including Univ. of Pittsburgh, Temple Univ. and others. This doesn’t mean Sandusky’s 1998 report was hidden.

 

[BigCat]

Uh....this is a photo of that magnificent monument that protects and comforts....aka....that falling-down barn. lol
http://media.centredaily.com/smedia...RCLE1.aurora_standalone.prod_affiliate.42.jpg

If this group of barn huggers was so worried about that piece-o-crap barn, they should have made the HUGE effort to fill out one piece of paper and have it placed on the National Registry of Historic Places and then nobody could tear it down. They also should have applied to receive funds from the historic barn restoration fund in Pennsylvania. They could have also searched for donors to help restore this comforting and protecting dilapidated bat house. Donors who give to restore historic barns can deduct all their donations from their taxes (if they are not whacked with the alternative minimum tax). :boohoo:

I absolutely love that barn!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I absolutely love that barn!

That is a cool barn and I bet the bats kept the insect population down.