Penn State Sandusky Trial #10

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Afternoon court report from Jim Parsons (video)

by WTAE.com/ Web staff via email 1:52 PM


RT @cvmikesisak: Looks like we're about to hear from defense psychiatrist Dr. Atkins, who will show PowerPoint on "histrionic personalit ...

by audsnyder4 via twitter1:50 PM



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Here's an article that speaks to #4's testimony, it also has a neat slide show on the power players in this case with a little blurb of details to the right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ictim-4-testimony_n_1587536.html#s=more230516

I'm also posting the links to StellarsJay's exceptional Timelines!! Thank you again for all your great work! :heartbeat:

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"Cleland also expressed doubt that prosecutors had made their case for indecent assault related to alleged Victim 6- the case that Prosecutor Ray Gricar declined to pursue in 1998- but denied the request for the case to be thrown out and said a jury will decide."
Sara Ganim, Penn Live, on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 9:49am

....seems to me that Judge Cleland (after hearing all the testimony and seeing all the evidence so far) came to the same conclusion that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar did in 1998. There was not a strong enough case against Sandusky regarding Victim 6 in 1998 to warrant filing charges.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

"Cleland also expressed doubt that prosecutors had made their case for indecent assault related to alleged Victim 6- the case that Prosecutor Ray Gricar declined to pursue in 1998- but denied the request for the case to be thrown out and said a jury will decide."
Sara Ganim, Penn Live, on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 9:49am

....seems to me that Judge Cleland (after hearing all the testimony and seeing all the evidence so far) came to the same conclusion that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar did in 1998. There was not a strong enough case against Sandusky regarding Victim 6 in 1998 to warrant filing charges.

That was only one charge, a misdemeanor. There are ten others including four felonies, regarding Victim 6. Technically, I do think this one is questionable; you have to prove intent, and that would have been hard to do in 1998, even with the other victim.

You might want to look at this:

http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/19/2992124/speculative-reasons.html

 

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"Cleland also expressed doubt that prosecutors had made their case for indecent assault related to alleged Victim 6- the case that Prosecutor Ray Gricar declined to pursue in 1998- but denied the request for the case to be thrown out and said a jury will decide."
Sara Ganim, Penn Live, on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 9:49am

....seems to me that Judge Cleland (after hearing all the testimony and seeing all the evidence so far) came to the same conclusion that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar did in 1998. There was not a strong enough case against Sandusky regarding Victim 6 in 1998 to warrant filing charges.

Yes, but within the larger context, he should be included, imo. I personally believe Gricar knew Sandusky to be a predator and a solid case could be made in the near future... all they had to do was watch and listen. moo


Additionally, I found this little link about HPD-- thought it was interesting that they applied it to a well known character. Again, it's mo that they are barking up the wrong tree, and this leaves the prosecution's cross examination open to suggest Sandusky behavior fits more aptly with the pedophilia personality disorder.

http://charactertherapist.blogspot.com/2009/10/t3-histrionic-personality-disorder.html

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Yes, but within the larger context, he should be included, imo. I personally believe Gricar knew Sandusky to be a predator and a solid case could be made in the near future... all they had to do was watch and listen. moo

First, in all fairness, in the context of 1998, that one charge is difficult to prove (it's not one of the worse charges). It's a lot easier today.

Second, I don't think he was watching or listening. I wouldn't rule out that he heard something new.

 

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Michael Sisak @cvmikesisak 3m
Defense psychologist Elliot Atkins says #Sandusky habit of gravitating toward people who admire him, emotional and naivety all signs of HPD
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Michael Sisak @cvmikesisak 5m
Defense psychologist reveals on stand says prosecution psychiatrist didn't agree w/assessment #Sandusky has histrionic personality disorder.
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#Sandusky Dr Atkins says Sandusky does suffer from disorder and felt more confident after reading "creepy" letters and "Touched"
by astockey via twitter 11:24 AM

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#Sandusky mother of victim#1 denies neighbor charge that she said after case she would get "a nice big house"
by astockey via twitter 11:25 AM

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[Leilei]

Watching HLN, CBS says that JS will testify, one of the last witnesses for the defense.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Watching HLN, CBS says that JS will testify, one of the last witnesses for the defense.

Fumble?

 

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A blurb in Psychology Today...

Does Histrionic Personality Disorder Cause Pedophilia?
HPD isn't a risk factor for sex crimes against children.
Published on June 18, 2012 by Thomas G. Plante, Ph.D., ABPP in Do the Right Thing

The current trial of Jerry Sandusky, the former football coach at Penn State University accused of pedophilia with a number of young children, has recently brought histrionic personality disorder into the public imagination. It has been suggested in the press that the defense may suggest that Mr. Sandusky suffers from this personality disorder and that this is what lead him to sexually violate children. Whoa…that seems to be a stretch! Does histrionic personality disorder (HPD) cause pedophilia? Do these two disorders overlap a lot? In a word... no! In two words...no way!

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...trionic-personality-disorder-cause-pedophilia

 

[back2back19]

I just don't get HPD. Wouldn't Sandusky have been showing this need for attention all along? If he has it, it's only with underage boys and he seems to be able to handle it in front of other adults.

 

[BrownRice]

Does anybody have the Insession link? I usually watch on CNN but can't find it anywhere on the website. Only gives me HLN and CNN to watch?

 

[angelmom]

Quick question-for those of you who have NOT been sexually abused as children, or dont know any children who were sexually abused, would you think that the behavior exhibited by these young men is evidence that they were NOT abused by Sandusky? That perhaps the 10 of them got together, cooked up a plot and it happened to coincide with some beliefs that have been long held regarding Sandusky and his predilictions?

I mean, the sheer numbers here. These arent even all of the victims that came forward, right?

I am just curious.

I was not abused and, to my knowledge, have never met anyone IRL who was abused as a child. I think it sounds like exactly what I'd expect from someone who had been molested or lived through some other trauma - lying, not wanting to tell what happened, acting out, getting into trouble, acting withdrawn...

It is beyond belief to me that you could convince 10 boys to lie about something so horrible that will follow them around forever, and get them to lie so believably about consistent behavior from Jerry. I can't imagine that any amount of money would make up for a man saying he had been raped and having his name and face in open court.

And, I cannot fathom that you could explain an adult witness (McQueary) coming forward years ahead of time to tell what these boys/men would say at trial and during police interviews. "the showers...the showers...the showers."

How would you fake the pictures of kids at the games, when even the defense witnesses said they never took kids to games and hotel rooms.

The defense might discredit one or two boys; they might dismiss one game or one hotel stay; they might suggest that McQueary overreacted and thought he saw something he didn't; but there is no way, IMHO, to get all of these things to fit together as well as they do without there being something really wrong here.

 

[Leilei]

Fumble?

I imagine he'll fumble his testimony, that's for sure Crazy to put him on the stand after that Costas interview, imo. I'm not upset about it, though, he may end up being the pro's best witness and send himself to the pokey. JMO

 

[4Jacy]

Thomas Mesereau was on In-Session a little bit ago. I think he is one of the best criminal defense lawyers ever.

 

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A neighbor of alleged victim one's mom recalls the mom saying: "I'll own his house" in reference to #sandusky touching her son.
by matthewkemeny via twitter 11:35 AM

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Seems a little more clear, even cliche'. moo

And another one:

RT @Ben_Jones88: Former neighbor of Victim 1 said he overheard “When this is over, I’ll have a nice new Jeep.”
by audsnyder4 via twitter 11:37 AM

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This strikes me as a HUGE Who cares? I want them to sue and be compensated for all the trauma, their stolen childhoods, their painful coping, the cost of their psychologists and meds (hundreds and hundreds per month, right there)!! Sheesh. grrrrrrr :maddening:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

"Expert" witness, a psychologist, reads from the DSM-IV

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Psychologist bio: http://www.drdaleatkins.com/about.php

She does a lot of media.

 

[Tipstaff]

Thomas Mesereau was on In-Session a little bit ago. I think he is one of the best criminal defense lawyers ever.

So does HE!