People Magazine Article

[raisincharlie]

I'm wondering about this clip: "Police won't say whether such a meeting occured" in any way could mean JY hatched a plan to kill her and he wanted to have some good reason to be out of town so he didn't have to find the body.

It was his 'insider' friend ConcernedCitizen posting at CTV who told us all about that meeting, that it was at 9am in Blacksburg Va, and also that he had called and talked to Michell at 11pm on the night he left home. CC also gives us a timeline for him leaving the house, saying at first he left as they were coming in which would be about 8pm, an hour before the show started to have wine and crackers beforehand.

None of that info which we have been using has been verified by LE that I know of. Yes, he did drive to Va as we know for positive there is not a Get It Market in NC.

What he could have done is taken a long round about way to get to Brevard, first gassing up, renting a motel room in VA to prove he was there, doubling back to kill her, drive back to the motel to pick up his receipt, shower and maybe change clothes, drive to the western tip of Va and then down to Brevard.

With the rumors of a divorce and knowledge of his affair with MM, Michelle could have ordered him to be gone by that night, which would certainly go towards explaining part of the motive and why MY's good friend Rhett Fussell stated when he left he had several suitcases in tow. I'm still trying to find a link to that but do remember reading it.

Morning Scandi - hope all is well with you !

I think the way you have laid this out in your post seems very plausible. I have not yet come to believe there was any kind of scheduled meeting however I think the Blacksburg area may indeed be very realistic. Way back in the begining we looked at ChartOne job postings - there were openings in the Blacksburg area. Seems to me until that position was filled, JY may have had the opportunity to travel in that direction.

One thing that kind of makes me believe JY had lots of freedom to roam with his job is that I believe ChartOne doesn't have conventional offices scattered about. I have come to think JYs job was very free and he actually worked from home and on the road - no 9 to 5 office. This is also why I think he could have arranged everything he was going to do on November 3, thus no schedule. Going back to a supposed 9 am meeting in Blacksburg - very easily met even driving from the home in Raleigh in the early morning hours of the 3rd - he could have been in the home up until 430 to 500 am. Going out on a limb - if there was a scheduled meeting - it was arranged extremely quickly IMO. Right now - without JYs cooperation and only with cell phone data, I don't know if LE even knows if there was a scheduled meeting and who it might have been with or even where unless this data was reported to ChartOne proper.

Lots of folks, because this case is dragging out, have assumed that LE cannot find a way for JY to be in the home between 12 and 6 am. I'm thinking LE can only trace a route and may not be able to locate specifically where JY was and who he met with on the 3rd in Virginia. Without this, there is no way to verify his appearance, his demeanor, or even his physical description on the 3rd. I have heard that someone did speak with the manager of the Get it Market in Duffield and that LE did check that location and did sieze video from the store. If LE cannot confirm JYs meeting - they will be left to waiting for discovery from a defense team, if it goes to trial. This would put LE and a prosecutor in a bit of a bind - JMO this is the hang up - not if JY could have been in the home between 12 and 6 am.

Did this make any sense ?

 

[scandi]

Yes it does make sense Charlie. It will have to be up to the defense to prove he couldn't have been at the home at the time she was killed, which does not mean he actually wasn't there.

I thought it was up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had the opportunity to kill her, if he is brought to trial.

Hi Panthera, I went back and pulled this article which does include some info from Rhett Fussell:

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html


The article contains this info which I thought was very interesting!
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" . .Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral."

It well could be that JY used Rhett to put out his alibi.

 

[raisincharlie]

Yes it does make sense Charlie. It will have to be up to the defense to prove he couldn't have been at the home at the time she was killed, which does not mean he actually wasn't there.

I thought it was up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had the opportunity to kill her, if he is brought to trial.
<snip>

QUOTE]

You lost me here Scandi.

I don't think the defense has to prove JY wasn't there, just present reasonable doubt. I.e if the defense knows where JY was (they will know as JY would have told them) and who saw him and if that person can say JY was on time, clean, bright eyed and bushy tailed - well that kind of presents a problem for the state. This is why I don't think LE has identified exactly where this "meeting" was or who was present or even if it was a pre-arranged meeting. I also don't think ChartOne knows. I am seriously hoping the computers can locate this supposed meeting. I also think this is another reason JY lawyered up immediately - IMO there was no set meeting. JY has told people, at a funeral for his wife no less, that there was, they will testify to such - the state needs that information and I don't think LE has it IMO.

"he was at certain places, at certain times"

 

[NewMom2003]

Thanks for the welcome raisincharlie! Right now I'm just reading through threads trying to figure out who's who, the timeline, etc. trying to get up to speed.

Where is Cassidy now? I read that MY's parents have not seen her since the funeral?

Has the mistress made a statement about Michelle's murder? Has she implicated JY at all? Does she have an alibi?

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for the welcome raisincharlie! Right now I'm just reading through threads trying to figure out who's who, the timeline, etc. trying to get up to speed.

Where is Cassidy now? I read that MY's parents have not seen her since the funeral?

Has the mistress made a statement about Michelle's murder? Has she implicated JY at all? Does she have an alibi?

Afternoon NewMom,

From the last media reports, Cassidy is with Jason in Brevard. It is unclear if they are staying with his sister and her family or if they are staying with his Mom and Step-Dad. One of the news reports from January 2 or 3 I believe was a short article about Linda Fisher - Cassidy's maternal grandmom - in this article Mrs. Fisher indicates that she had not seen Cassidy since the killing.

The supposed mistress is Michelle Money of Ocoee Florida. She has made no public statements, at least reported statements, about the murder nor has she publically implicated Jason. There have been no reports as to her location at the time of the murder however LE did serve a warrant at her home to confiscate her computer. She is reported to be cooperating with LE but there are no reports defining what that cooperation may entail.

For your information - here is a link to several articles issued by WRAL - the Raleigh local tv station very active in following the case.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story_gallery/1065978/

Hope this helps you.

RC

 

[panthera]

Yes it does make sense Charlie. It will have to be up to the defense to prove he couldn't have been at the home at the time she was killed, which does not mean he actually wasn't there.

I thought it was up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he had the opportunity to kill her, if he is brought to trial.
<snip>

QUOTE]

You lost me here Scandi.

I don't think the defense has to prove JY wasn't there, just present reasonable doubt. I.e if the defense knows where JY was (they will know as JY would have told them) and who saw him and if that person can say JY was on time, clean, bright eyed and bushy tailed - well that kind of presents a problem for the state. This is why I don't think LE has identified exactly where this "meeting" was or who was present or even if it was a pre-arranged meeting. I also don't think ChartOne knows. I am seriously hoping the computers can locate this supposed meeting. I also think this is another reason JY lawyered up immediately - IMO there was no set meeting. JY has told people, at a funeral for his wife no less, that there was, they will testify to such - the state needs that information and I don't think LE has it IMO.

"he was at certain places, at certain times"

The defense could choose not to even call one witness or put on a case. It's up to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that <whoever> committed the murder. If it's Jason who eventually is on trial, I'm sure the defense would want to show that he couldn't have murdered his wife, either by some alibi or his character(*ha ha*).

 

[scandi]

You're in good company here NewMom to learn everything we kinow. It is a n extremely slow moving case and don't think we really have confirmed answers on your questions. We're starving as all sleuthers are, but I have read many comments lately from well known posters who feel time is drawing near for something big to pop open in the case!

BTW, I have always loved your addy with the children playing. Neato

 

[jilly]

Lots of folks, because this case is dragging out, have assumed that LE cannot find a way for JY to be in the home between 12 and 6 am. I'm thinking LE can only trace a route and may not be able to locate specifically where JY was and who he met with on the 3rd in Virginia. Without this, there is no way to verify his appearance, his demeanor, or even his physical description on the 3rd. I have heard that someone did speak with the manager of the Get it Market in Duffield and that LE did check that location and did sieze video from the store. If LE cannot confirm JYs meeting - they will be left to waiting for discovery from a defense team, if it goes to trial. This would put LE and a prosecutor in a bit of a bind - JMO this is the hang up - not if JY could have been in the home between 12 and 6 am.

Did this make any sense ?

I'm not sure if I'm following you RC but it might be that Chart One would know every single customer of JYs. Could be that for every customer a salesman gets, an order is placed and Head Office (Chart One) would open up an account. The only time where Chart One would not know, imo, might be on the first visit to this customer soliciting business but then JYs phone records and emails could reveal that.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm not sure if I'm following you RC but it might be that Chart One would know every single customer of JYs. Could be that for every customer a salesman gets, an order is placed and Head Office (Chart One) would open up an account. The only time where Chart One would not know, imo, might be on the first visit to this customer soliciting business but then JYs phone records and emails could reveal that.

Jilly,


For some reason I don't believe anymore now than I did in the begining that there was a scheduled meeting between JY and a client on 3 November in VA. I agree, Chart One would know his customers based on sales, but would Chart One know ahead of time where JY would have gone on 3 November ? I don't think so.

I also agree that if JY contacted customers or potential customers that LE could indeed figure that out from phone records and then interviewing at those locations. But what if LE cannot figure out exactly where this meeting was suppose to be ?

This from the Peep Mag bugs me: "Jason Young, 32, had apparently been away on an overnight business trip. What happened next surprised them. "Italked to [Jason], offered him condolences and said, 'I'm sorry for the timing, but we need your assistance in this case,' " says Wake County Sheriff Chief of Operations Richard Johnson. "And he has refused to comply." This implies, at least IMO, that JY refused to tell LE anything even in this first conversation.

Of course my suspicious brain is wondering why JY did not tell LE right then and there I was at such and such meeting in VA at --time on November 3. It doublely bugs me because Rhett Fussell was quoted as saying JY told him at Michelle's funeral he had an early morning business meeting in VA. (establishing an alibi that would be repeated by a parrot?) First why talk about this at a funeral (he was so distraught he had to tell where he was instead of asking this friend if he knew of anyone who might have been at the house?) ? Why tell a friend but not LE ? It makes zero sense to me for this man to not flat give LE his alibi upfront unless of course it doesn't check out to start with IMO.

I simply do not believe there was a scheduled business meeting anywhere in VA nor do I believe JY actually attended a meeting of any substance in VA. I think LE is still trying to find out if such an event occured - phone records may put JY "in a certain place at a certain time" but they do not tell if he was sitting in a meeting. LE needs to verify this and a Prosecutor is going to demand to know this information. I do think LE can make a case for JY killing his wife, I just don't think this piece of the puzzle has been filled in yet - just a gut feeling.:crazy:

 

[Samiya]

Jilly,


For some reason I don't believe anymore now than I did in the begining that there was a scheduled meeting between JY and a client on 3 November in VA. I agree, Chart One would know his customers based on sales, but would Chart One know ahead of time where JY would have gone on 3 November ? I don't think so.

I also agree that if JY contacted customers or potential customers that LE could indeed figure that out from phone records and then interviewing at those locations. But what if LE cannot figure out exactly where this meeting was suppose to be ?

This from the Peep Mag bugs me: "Jason Young, 32, had apparently been away on an overnight business trip. What happened next surprised them. "Italked to [Jason], offered him condolences and said, 'I'm sorry for the timing, but we need your assistance in this case,' " says Wake County Sheriff Chief of Operations Richard Johnson. "And he has refused to comply." This implies, at least IMO, that JY refused to tell LE anything even in this first conversation.

Of course my suspicious brain is wondering why JY did not tell LE right then and there I was at such and such meeting in VA at --time on November 3. It doublely bugs me because Rhett Fussell was quoted as saying JY told him at Michelle's funeral he had an early morning business meeting in VA. (establishing an alibi that would be repeated by a parrot?) First why talk about this at a funeral (he was so distraught he had to tell where he was instead of asking this friend if he knew of anyone who might have been at the house?) ? Why tell a friend but not LE ? It makes zero sense to me for this man to not flat give LE his alibi upfront unless of course it doesn't check out to start with IMO.

I simply do not believe there was a scheduled business meeting anywhere in VA nor do I believe JY actually attended a meeting of any substance in VA. I think LE is still trying to find out if such an event occured - phone records may put JY "in a certain place at a certain time" but they do not tell if he was sitting in a meeting. LE needs to verify this and a Prosecutor is going to demand to know this information. I do think LE can make a case for JY killing his wife, I just don't think this piece of the puzzle has been filled in yet - just a gut feeling.:crazy:

Helloie And Hugs....

I think that if there was such a meeting, the LE would've had no problem letting the public know

Sami

 

[scandi]

I'm beginning to think the same thing too Charlie. Like I said earlier today, I think he hatched a plan that needed a good excuse to get him out of town cause he didn't want to be around when the body was found.

I'm beginning to think he is a :chicken: chit kind of a guy with no backbone. Out of town, out of words upon his return, saying OK guys catch me if you can. Kinda cocky. Who ever said this was a very nice guy? He ditched his baby girl and left her with a dead body, alone in an empty house.

I think when he left that house he had finalized and set up his plan, went to his motel room with a bottle to perfect his plan and gather his guts, and then went back to kill her.

I truthfully don't think he could have actually killed her in that overdone and gory scene and then left his little girl helpless and all alone with her dead mother unless he had been drinking. The driving and drinking - I have known several guys who can be sooo drunk and amazingly they get to their destination

That's what I would do if I were going to kill someone. Go to a bar and have a few while I perfect my plan. Can you tell I'm getting ready for some big news before I go :crazy: :crazy: LOLOLOL

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm beginning to think the same thing too Charlie. Like I said earlier today, I think he hatched a plan that needed a good excuse to get him out of town cause he didn't want to be around when the body was found.

I'm beginning to think he is a :chicken: chit kind of a guy with no backbone. Out of town, out of words upon his return, saying OK guys catch me if you can. Kinda cocky. Who ever said this was a very nice guy? He ditched his baby girl and left her with a dead body, alone in an empty house.

I think when he left that house he had finalized and set up his plan, went to his motel room with a bottle to perfect his plan and gather his guts, and then went back to kill her.

I truthfully don't think he could have actually killed her in that overdone and gory scene and then left his little girl helpless and all alone with her dead mother unless he had been drinking. The driving and drinking - I have known several guys who can be sooo drunk and amazingly they get to their destination

That's what I would do if I were going to kill someone. Go to a bar and have a few while I perfect my plan. Can you tell I'm getting ready for some big news before I go :crazy: :crazy: LOLOLOL

I think I am further pushed down this road by the search warrant for the SUV and the fact that it was detained at MF's house. It was Major Johnson that said he spoke to JY on the 3rd and if you look at the warrant for the SUV it was the same Major Johnson who inspected the vehicle and noted the appearance of what looked like blood spots. Something set his hinky meter off big time during the phone call I think. Why would LE detain this vehicle and do such an inspection of a vehicle that was supposedly in Virgina at the time of the murder ?

Maybe its the lull in the case that has me thinking - don't know but something is not adding up, on my tally sheet at least, right from the begining IMO.

P.S. - did you notice the link I put in my sig line - just for you!:crazy:

 

[pack_fan]

I think I am further pushed down this road by the search warrant for the SUV and the fact that it was detained at MF's house. It was Major Johnson that said he spoke to JY on the 3rd and if you look at the warrant for the SUV it was the same Major Johnson who inspected the vehicle and noted the appearance of what looked like blood spots. Something set his hinky meter off big time during the phone call I think. Why would LE detain this vehicle and do such an inspection of a vehicle that was supposedly in Virgina at the time of the murder ?

Maybe its the lull in the case that has me thinking - don't know but something is not adding up, on my tally sheet at least, right from the begining IMO.

P.S. - did you notice the link I put in my sig line - just for you!:crazy:

IMO, Jason was suspected very early on. Just an opinion but seems that some that attended the funeral mentioned that the families were not supportive of each other at all and had basically no contact. Just a guess of course but either they wanted the car very badly to meet him at MF's house or someone requested that they be present.

 

[Taximom]

I'm not sure if I'm following you RC but it might be that Chart One would know every single customer of JYs. Could be that for every customer a salesman gets, an order is placed and Head Office (Chart One) would open up an account. The only time where Chart One would not know, imo, might be on the first visit to this customer soliciting business but then JYs phone records and emails could reveal that.

I'm on delayed reaction, I guess. I just posted on the main thread that I was wondering about this same thing! lol :doh:

 

[raisincharlie]

IMO, Jason was suspected very early on. Just an opinion but seems that some that attended the funeral mentioned that the families were not supportive of each other at all and had basically no contact. Just a guess of course but either they wanted the car very badly to meet him at MF's house or someone requested that they be present.

I have just seen the video clips from the funeral service - even in those clips it was obvious - there was Linda F and Meredith F together and then down the lane a bit was the JY entourage. Those videos made it easy to see there was no unity between the families.

As for Meredith's house - given Cassidy was there as well and what Meredith discovered, I have no doubt LE was at that house with her and that baby. But they weren't waiting to sieze the vehicle. The inspection of the vehicle was done sometime after midnight on the 4th when Major Johnson arrived - the same guy who spoke to JY - the warrant was signed at 0310 am on the fourth. I don't think they had a leg to stand on to get that warrant without the observations made by Major Johnson - otherwise the warrant would have been in hand when JY arrived. JMO

 

[jilly]

I'm on delayed reaction, I guess. I just posted on the main thread that I was wondering about this same thing! lol :doh:

lol we've just got too much of a lull here - I'm starting to argue with myself for Pete's Sake!!! Pac's right about multiple personalities!!

 

[Taximom]

lol we've just got too much of a lull here - I'm starting to argue with myself for Pete's Sake!!! Pac's right about multiple personalities!!

I'm glad my other personalities are not alone!

 

[pack_fan]

I have just seen the video clips from the funeral service - even in those clips it was obvious - there was Linda F and Meredith F together and then down the lane a bit was the JY entourage. Those videos made it easy to see there was no unity between the families.

As for Meredith's house - given Cassidy was there as well and what Meredith discovered, I have no doubt LE was at that house with her and that baby. But they weren't waiting to sieze the vehicle. The inspection of the vehicle was done sometime after midnight on the 4th when Major Johnson arrived - the same guy who spoke to JY - the warrant was signed at 0310 am on the fourth. I don't think they had a leg to stand on to get that warrant without the observations made by Major Johnson - otherwise the warrant would have been in hand when JY arrived. JMO

Still at the house collecting info or waiting for the arrival of JY?

 

[jilly]

I think I am further pushed down this road by the search warrant for the SUV and the fact that it was detained at MF's house. It was Major Johnson that said he spoke to JY on the 3rd and if you look at the warrant for the SUV it was the same Major Johnson who inspected the vehicle and noted the appearance of what looked like blood spots. Something set his hinky meter off big time during the phone call I think. Why would LE detain this vehicle and do such an inspection of a vehicle that was supposedly in Virgina at the time of the murder ?

I would venture a guess that with the first phone call, he could have just said that he was too distraught to talk and would talk to them the next day or something.

Why would LE detain the vehicle? On Nov 3rd, all they really knew was that JY's wife was murdered and Cassidy was saying that Daddy did it.

 

[raisincharlie]

Still at the house collecting info or waiting for the arrival of JY?

I would imagine all of that was taking place - I would hope the afternoon would have been spent getting Cassidy to hospital for a check up to make sure she was okay. Then interviews with Meredith and I'm sure LE would have tried to talk to JY when he arrived. The SW does state the vehicle was being detained until Johnson got there - I'm sure they tried again to talk to JY again but it is obvious from the warrant - Johnson was not there when JY arrived.