GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #25

[otto]

Joran van der Sloot to talk in exchange for a transfer

Van der Sloot therefore wants to leave the Peruvian prison. And you can. The Netherlands has a treaty with Peru for two years that the transfer of criminal sentences makes it possible. Van der Sloot will therefore throw a deal. He promises to tell the truth about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway


http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/buitenland/1.2565684

Apparently by the google translate I can decipher, Peru has new legislation that he cannot apply for early release and must stay in prison for another 22 years. So he's trying to strike a deal, full disclosure about Natallee for a transfer to prison in the Netherlands. This was supposed to have been an Associated Press interview but I cannot find any news of this in English Media. There are several links from media in the Netherlands. I believe he just spoke with AP today so the story is coming?

Yes. Peru recently changed legislation that provided for prisoner early release after serving 2/3 of the sentence. This means that Joran has to serve the full sentence. If I recall correctly, he bargained and admitted murder under the belief that it would benefit him with early release after serving 2/3 of his sentence.

Of benefit to Joran, for the last two years the Netherlands has had a treaty with Peru allowing prisoners to transfer their sentences from Peru to the Netherlands.

Joran has contacted the Netherlands Embassy in Peru, and the Dutch Ministry for Foreign Affairs, but no one is answering him. His claims that 'it's time to tell the truth' are falling on death ears. That shouldn't surprise Joran. Surely he's heard the story about the boy who cried wolf.

 

[otto]

Well he certainly thinks that conditions in the Netherlands are not as harsh...because they definitely are not. He probably would even request to go back to Aruba to finish the sentence if anyone agreed to this deal he's put forth, he's just that arrogant. And he has no perks in Challapalca not to mention the cold harsh weather conditions, lack of heat in the prison etc. Must be really rough to have no cell phone with internet access to gamble and stay in touch with the outside world, no homemade dinners being dropped off, chocolate bars and other snacks, drugs and conjugal visits. He still claims the other inmates want to murder him. I'm sure if they did, they would have accomplished it by now. Remember his faked shanking? He'll say and do anything to get out of that place so IMO it's the best place for him to be. Too bad it wasn't for the rest of his life instead of only 22 years. And hopefully he will spend every last day of his sentence there, unless those other prisoners make good on his prediction to kill him and it does end up to be a life sentence...a short life.

MOO

I don't think that Aruba would be an option. If he was committed to a mental institution, it would be for life. He would fight that as much as possible, but at least everyone else would be safe. In a prison, he would be eligible for release. Given that he is responsible for the deaths of two women, I think it's likely he will reoffend if he thinks he can get away with it. I see his two options being Peru and then US prison, or life in a Dutch mental institution.

Perhaps it's just beginning to sink in that his life of playboy on the beach is gone forever.

 

[LinasK]

If it's more important for the family to have her remains, there is no downside to listening to what he has to say. Unless he can direct investigators to her actual bones, there cannot be a deal. Any claim that he put her in the ocean cannot be trusted.

He's already tried to bribe Beth to tell her. He lies, you can't trust anything he says. Not worth it.

 

[Kamille]

I don't think that Aruba would be an option. If he was committed to a mental institution, it would be for life. He would fight that as much as possible, but at least everyone else would be safe. In a prison, he would be eligible for release. Given that he is responsible for the deaths of two women, I think it's likely he will reoffend if he thinks he can get away with it. I see his two options being Peru and then US prison, or life in a Dutch mental institution.

Perhaps it's just beginning to sink in that his life of playboy on the beach is gone forever.

If he were to end up in a mental institution, he'd be out in no time IMO. They rehabilitate and try to put people with mental illness back into society, not lock them up for life. He likely has an illness that cannot be cured but he's not clinically insane. He would not go to an institution for life IMO. He would go to prison there, where conditions are much better and apply for early release.

No Deal :jail:

MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

There is hope he may tell the truth. This is a big deal. lease:

 

[dotr]

Maybe they can make a deal?
If he tells them where the remains can be located, and they are actually found, then he can be transferred to the other prison.
BUT, if nothing is found- no more deals, imo.

 

[Hiandmighty]

He is a pathlogical, sociopathological liar. I wouldn't believe him at all and there is no guarantee even if bones are found that there would be extractable DNA (given the tropical hot moist climate of aruba) to identify the person. I'm just saying that Bath Holloway has been to this rodeo numerous times: he likes to torture her for fun.

 

[LinasK]

Maybe they can make a deal?
If he tells them where the remains can be located, and they are actually found, then he can be transferred to the other prison.
BUT, if nothing is found- no more deals, imo.

I wouldn't even bother:snooty:- there's no reason to believe he'll suddenly see the error of his ways/have any remorse for his actions/tell the truth. It'll just get everyone's hopes up again only to be dashed. He'll still lie. Why give him the time of day?? He's had plenty of chances to fess up. He's just fine right where he is for 22 years!!!:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

 

[Hiandmighty]

I agree. At this point, it's clear Natalee is deceased and her final resting place is somewhere in Aruba. I assume (obviously can't know for sure since this is speculation on part) that I would rather him serve his time for the rest of the 22 years then get transferred to the US than to do a deal where his situation improves and his time served is perhaps shortened. He killed at least two women and he is a danger to the world.

At this point, it is important to keep him locked away.

 

[LinasK]

I agree. At this point, it's clear Natalee is deceased and her final resting place is somewhere in Aruba. I assume (obviously can't know for sure since this is speculation on part) that I would rather him serve his time for the rest of the 22 years then get transferred to the US than to do a deal where his situation improves and his time served is perhaps shortened. He killed at least two women and he is a danger to the world.

At this point, it is important to keep him locked away.

Figure it this way, he's serving 11 years for each murder. Not enough, but at least it's something. Prison isn't supposed to be a cakewalk. It's supposed to be punishment. Can't get harsh enough for him!!!

 

[Hiandmighty]

Now that I am getting older and i have a daughter approaching Natalee's age-- scares me witless and gives me new found heartbreak and appreciation for what Beth has gone though.

I don't know if or why Beth would ever read this but if she ever does: my :heartbeat: goes out to her and of course one :heartbeat: for Stephany's mother)

 

[otto]

If he were to end up in a mental institution, he'd be out in no time IMO. They rehabilitate and try to put people with mental illness back into society, not lock them up for life. He likely has an illness that cannot be cured but he's not clinically insane. He would not go to an institution for life IMO. He would go to prison there, where conditions are much better and apply for early release.

No Deal :jail:

MOO

Prisons are based on rehabilitation, but mental institutions recognize that psychiatric disorders cannot necessarily be treated with rehabilitation. He can be involuntarily committed to a mental institution if he is untreatable, or presents a threat to society. There's no guarantee that someone committed to a mental institution in the EU is going to be released.

http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_projects/2000/promotion/fp_promotion_2000_frep_08_en.pdf

Given that he is seeking a transfer to a Dutch prison, perhaps there is no alternative but to be imprisoned ... I don't know. However, after completing that sentence I think it's possible that he could be committed to a psychiatric institution rather than released into the community.

 

[Kamille]

Prisons are based on rehabilitation, but mental institutions recognize that psychiatric disorders cannot necessarily be treated with rehabilitation. He can be involuntarily committed to a mental institution if he is untreatable, or presents a threat to society. There's no guarantee that someone committed to a mental institution in the EU is going to be released.

http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_projects/2000/promotion/fp_promotion_2000_frep_08_en.pdf

Given that he is seeking a transfer to a Dutch prison, perhaps there is no alternative but to be imprisoned ... I don't know. However, after completing that sentence I think it's possible that he could be committed to a psychiatric institution rather than released into the community.

After he finishes that sentence, wherever it might be, he has a date with the FBI in the U.S. That's paramount to whatever "deal" anyone actually tries to make with him. But here's the thing. He may actually be able to lead them to Natalee's remains, but he will not tell the truth about what happened. He is a cold blooded killer and he will not admit to it. IF he leads them to Natalee's remains, he will claim it was an accident and he panicked. He will also not give up his accomplices if there were any (likely) or just lie about that and blame someone who wasn't there instead of the person(s) who was.

He is not to be trusted. I cannot put myself in Beth and Dave Holloway's shoes but I'd think I would say not a chance. They know their daughter is deceased and they know that Joran is the main, if not only, person responsible. Knowing how much he's suffering right now given the attempts he's been making to get out of that prison (he's okay with being in prison just not that one) would give me a lot of satisfaction I think. But I don't know. It will be interesting to see what happens here. Maybe the Netherlands don't want him.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

I wonder why this has not hit the English speaking media. An interview with the Associated Press surely would hit immediately to all news outlets?

Why are they holding this? Have they been requested to?

MOO

 

[otto]

I wonder why this has not hit the English speaking media. An interview with the Associated Press surely would hit immediately to all news outlets?

Why are they holding this? Have they been requested to?

MOO

Wasn't it an exclusive interview with the Telegraph? Is there a cost involved with reprinting the information?

"In een exclusief vraaggesprek met deze krant ..."
In an exclusive interview with this newspaper ...

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/25155766/__Joran_hengelt_naar_deal_met_justitie__.html

Maybe no one really cares that Joran is once again complaining about his 28 year sentence, the lack of heat in prison, that he believes he may be murdered, or that he has little contact with his wife and child. That he is once again trying to barter with information about Natalie's murder is nothing new. Initially he offered the information in exchange for money, now he offers the information in exchange for a better lifestyle, but I suspect that he intends to withhold that information until he is safely in the Netherlands, and then he will renege.

 

[Kamille]

Wasn't it an exclusive interview with the Telegraph? Is there a cost involved with reprinting the information?

"In een exclusief vraaggesprek met deze krant ..."
In an exclusive interview with this newspaper ...

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/25155766/__Joran_hengelt_naar_deal_met_justitie__.html

Maybe no one really cares that Joran is once again complaining about his 28 year sentence, the lack of heat in prison, that he believes he may be murdered, or that he has little contact with his wife and child. That he is once again trying to barter with information about Natalie's murder is nothing new. Initially he offered the information in exchange for money, now he offers the information in exchange for a better lifestyle, but I suspect that he intends to withhold that information until he is safely in the Netherlands, and then he will renege.

Thanks otto. Looks like it WAS an exclusive with a reporter from the Telegraph. Not sure why the others indicated it was with the AP. Anyway, it appears that once again his darling wife has contacted the media to arrange for this interview as evidenced by the photo and video at your link. And the reporter appears to have an exclusive interview but you need an account to read it and I'm not that interested in what he has to say. So we'll just chalk that up to another attempt on behalf of the couple to get him out of that prison by going to the media. And you're right. He only has one bargaining chip and he keeps trying to use it. He has apparently once again written a couple of letters to some embassy or another offering this deal. Hope he is told no one cares. Looks like he's ended his hunger strike too. Whatever happened to that? You can't trust this guy to do anything he says he's going to do. He should be dead by now. :thinking:

ETA: Does this mean that the Daily Mail won't return her calls now? :dunno:

MOO

 

[otto]

There's one statement from Joran that has always had a ring to truth, but no apparent relevance. It was a statement from him early on about Natalie commenting on Nazis. I have to wonder if that triggered the attack on Natalie. With Stephanie, he claims it was something she said about his connection with Natalie. My impression is that Joran has a split second between feeling rage, and acting on rage (brutal murder). I think that if Joran is going to share one fact related to each murder, it will be the point that triggered his feeling of rage, as he will look to others to validate that point.

If I recall correctly, he claims that he and Natalie were sitting on the beach (most likely exactly where Deepak claims he left them) when the conversation moved to Alabama slavery, and Natalie's comment that her mother was like Hitler (something teenagers are known to say). Did that trigger rage? Did he murder her on the beach, use his shoe to dig a temporary hiding spot on the beach (misplace the shoe), then use his father's car to move her body the next day?

After Stephanie's murder, I have no doubt that Natalie met the same demise as Stephanie - that she was violently struck, without warning, and subsequently beaten to death. The fact that she was drinking had nothing to do with her death, and I doubt she consumed a drug that caused convulsions (one of Joran's stories). I do believe she had convulsions due to the violent beating.

 

[Carolina Girl]

No deal, no way! In no order!

 

[Batman's Mommy]

Now that I am getting older and i have a daughter approaching Natalee's age-- scares me witless and gives me new found heartbreak and appreciation for what Beth has gone though.

I don't know if or why Beth would ever read this but if she ever does: my :heartbeat: goes out to her and of course one :heartbeat: for Stephany's mother)

Natalee's family is incredible. They have huge hearts and have carried on their lives in the most dignified manner. It is awe-inspiring, and heartbreaking. THEY give me hope in humanity in situations like this. My heart has always hurt for them, but I have been blessed, to witness their testimony and its effects on others, first hand.

Justice will come for Natalee and her sweet family, even if we don't see or understand. Her family having peace with this is truly inspiring.

:heartbeat:

 

[Kamille]

'This is where I am guilty and I accept everything that I have done': Joran van der Sloot 'confesses' to murdering Natalee Holloway in undercover video


A decade after Alabama student Natalee Holloway's mysterious disappearance, the prime suspect in her murder appears to have 'confessed'.

Joran van der Sloot, who is in a Peruvian jail for the murder of another student, Stephany Flores, was caught on an undercover video admitting he had lied to the police and mocking the investigation into Holloway's death.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dering-Natalee-Holloway-undercover-video.html