Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #3

[suzihawk]

It could be fraud if he didn't hold up his end of the bargain. But extortion? I don't think so.

What do you mean by SA?

South America... sorry.

Can you give me a definition for dummies of exactly what extortion is?

 

[Melanie]

I see Joran is sporting a pair of spiffy handcuffs for this second perp walk.....:dance:

AssociatedPress — June 04, 2010 — Chilean authorities escorted Joran van der Sloot onto a plane Friday headed to the Peruvian border, where he'll be handed over to officials. He's the prime suspect in the death of a Peruvian woman. (June 4)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RDO6KPkCSw[/ame]

Mel

 

[beach]

The U.S. has an extradition treaty with Peru:http://www.oas.org/juridico/MLA/en/traites/en_traites-ext-usa-per.pdf.

Whether extradition is possible, however, depends in part on the laws of Peru regarding that conduct, and of course I'm not too familiar with the laws of Peru. Also, it would have taken some time to work out the extradition, even assuming that the feds had any clue where Joran was at the time.

I'm a little confused by this Complaint. Where's the extortion/fraud? This looks like something that was filed because the feds wanted to file "something" against him but didn't have the facts they needed to really charge him with what they wanted to charge him with. I don't think they would have filed this on May 10. I think they were waiting for something more. Like the location of Natalie's body.

BBM


Thank you so much for stopping by, AZ! You're the best! :blowkiss:


Your answer in the last paragraph help this make perfect sense in re. why the feds did not arrest him prior to him going to South America. It appears that he contacted someone (Beth? or her attorney?) and offered to spill everything concerning Natalee in exchange for $250,000. On May 10, a $15,000 down payment was wired from a Birmingham, AL bank to a financial institution in the Netherlands. 4 days later he showed up in Peru. The rest is history....

I assume the real story (*AHEM* <insert total sarcasm filled with tons of skepticism>) was supposed to be revealed when he returned from Peru and needed the rest of the money. It is known that Beth's attorney, John Q. Kelly, had been spotted in Aruba in the previous 2 weeks. And it has been reported by reliable sources that Aruba was working in full compliance with the US in helping with this alleged "sting".


I googled a lot about the extradition treaties yesterday and figured out enough to be dangerous. I don't know beans when it comes to international laws. Thanks again soooo much!

 

[Chanler]

Who is Joran's attorney in this case and is he/she be waiting for him in Peru? Can he/will he be questioned without an attorney present?

Hi, Breathe, I'm relying on an old memory, but I think that you can be questioned in Peru without a lawyer present.

 

[CarrieBean]

Been waiting all day to see this creep cross the border, and now I have to go.

I hope there are lots of reporters there to tape it.

Good evening, folks.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Mr Flores is probably fighing his own demons. Its common for folks to be kidnapped in Peru, well, there she was alone in the middle of the night with money. I thought it was said earlier that they had a fight about her going back out. I can believe his conscience is tormenting him even though he was at no fault.
Kids, why don't they listen to us.

 

[Melanie]

This pretty much sums it up. I like this reporter.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLLlIk_6Go[/ame]

Mel

 

[darnudes]

Mr Flores is probably fighing his own demons. Its common for folks to be kidnapped in Peru, well, there she was alone in the middle of the night with money. I thought it was said earlier that they had a fight about her going back out. I can believe his conscience is tormenting him even though he was at no fault.
Kids, why don't they listen to us.

I'm sorry but I have to make a correction, as someone who has spent a lot of time in Peru I have to say it is not common for people to be kidnapped, that is not true at all.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Thats what Stephany's brother said, "they thought she was kidnapped. It happens alot there. "

 

[Hazel]

"I consider myself handsome, but women do not want to go with me," said van der Sloot Joran in Lima

<snippets>
The alleged murderer of Stephany Flores arrived in Peru on 14 May. He was planning on staying for a month.

Two weeks before the crime, of which Joran van der Sloot is considered the sole suspect, he said that it was difficult for him to find a female companion during his stay in Lima.

Although it is clear Joran's priority was the poker game tournament, he also had time to visit some nightclubs in Miraflores.

"I approach the girls, engage in conversation, and I even dance salsa and merengue, but then, when I ask them to leave together, they say no," he complained that night.

Stephany Flores was also a frequent visitor to the casino. After the crime, witnesses commented that Friday, May 28 was the first time the young Dutchman talked to the young girl, although it is very likely that they have met earlier in the game room. According to witnesses, on Saturday she offered him a ride to his hotel in her Jeep. . For Stephany that was the worst bet of her life ... her last one.

RSBM
read more: http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://elcomercio.pe/&ei=dF8JTNT6MIS0lQf9oeHcDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Del%2Bcomercio%2Bperu%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dn

 

[fran]

My apology if this has already been posted.

fran


http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/breaking-news-fbi-video-taped-it-all/

BREAKING NEWS ! FBI VIDEO TAPED IT ALL!

FBI VIDEO TAPED JORAN VAN DER SLOOT EXTORTING THE MONEY from a representative of Beth Holloway.


THE TAPING OCCURRED ON MAY 10 IN ARUBA AND ARUBAN AUTHORITIES WORKED WITH THE FBI TO DO THIS.

THIS WAS A JOINT OPERATION [FBI AND ARUBA] CAREFULLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,more at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It could be fraud if he didn't hold up his end of the bargain. But extortion? I don't think so.

What do you mean by SA?

He basically was holding Natlees bones for ransom, almost like kidnapping...but you can't charge someone with kidnapping remains. So he tried to extort money in exchange for whatever is left Beth Halloway'S daughter.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks MG, for the video of JVDS being taken by plane to Peru soil. Justice will be served.

 

[kwatmac]

"I consider myself handsome, but women do not want to go with me," said van der Sloot Joran in Lima

<snippets>
The alleged murderer of Stephany Flores arrived in Peru on 14 May. He was planning on staying for a month.

Two weeks before the crime, of which Joran van der Sloot is considered the sole suspect, he said that it was difficult for him to find a female companion during his stay in Lima.

Although it is clear Joran's priority was the poker game tournament, he also had time to visit some nightclubs in Miraflores.

"I approach the girls, engage in conversation, and I even dance salsa and merengue, but then, when I ask them to leave together, they say no," he complained that night.

Stephany Flores was also a frequent visitor to the casino. After the crime, witnesses commented that Friday, May 28 was the first time the young Dutchman talked to the young girl, although it is very likely that they have met earlier in the game room. According to witnesses, on Saturday she offered him a ride to his hotel in her Jeep. . For Stephany that was the worst bet of her life ... her last one.

RSBM
read more: http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://elcomercio.pe/&ei=dF8JTNT6MIS0lQf9oeHcDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Del%2Bcomercio%2Bperu%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dn

hmm...interesting. If she offered him a ride back to his hotel, i wonder why her car was found so far away from the hotel (that is what has been reported correct??)

ETA: if he can be placed as having to move the vehicle away from the hotel, that shoots his 'i went for coffee and came back and she was dead' defence in the foot!!

 

[AZlawyer]

South America... sorry.

Can you give me a definition for dummies of exactly what extortion is?

OK, I guess I'm confused on the order of events. I thought he was already in South America when the "extortion" :waitasec: happened. If not, my guess is that they were not prepared to arrest him at that time but were waiting for something else (like the info he'd promised to provide) and, of course, had no way of knowing he would be committing another murder in the meantime.

Extortion for purposes of this law is defined as follows: The term “extortion” means the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.

 

[beach]

Hi, Beach2yall. With all due respect to Mr. Twitty, his opinions on this case have been colored by some very strong and understandable emotions. Phone records and triangulations, several interrogations, and known movements don't indicate any Kalpoe involvement except their fragile, short-lived lie. (The taped police car conversations and Joran's own subsequent hostile statements hardly indicate that he feared any possible incriminating statements from them.) If they had been involved, they would have been nothing short of insane to expose themselves to hostile deposition questioning by Dr. Phil McGraw's million-dollar lawyers after they sued him. (We have the O.J. Simpson civil trial to substantiate that.)

I followed that case like a freak, but was not a member of WS during that time so I was not privvy to all the terrific sleuthing and resources available here. I totally agree that emotions can cloud judgment.

If you haven't watched the video of Jug Twitty released yesterday by the local CBS affiliate, I urge you to see it. He seems to have really calmed down and reflected over the past 5 years. What really struck me during that was when he referred to the first night they got down to Aruba - within 24 hrs of Natalee's disappearance. Jug said they tracked down Joran immediately and was standing at Joran's car - Joran and Deepak were both there and he asked them where they had been. They said they had just returned from the casino. However, Jug said they were sweaty, nervous and not dressed like they usually dressed when they went out partying. Jug said his biggest regret was not opening the trunk, that he believed that Natalee may have been in there at that early time.

 

[Carrington]

In this regard, said the embassy did not afford to pay for the defense of Joran van der Sloot, and representatives of the consulate will visit you in prison to ensure their health.


From Hazel's link above


Looks like he is s*** out of luck, in more ways than one.

IMO

 

[Beyond Belief]

http://translate.google.ca/translat...&prev=/search?q=el+comercio+peru&hl=en&prmd=n


I took this message to Joran off that site:

"The boys in the Lori and I are preparing your welcome. " it had been translated.

 

[Hazel]

I'm sorry but I have to make a correction, as someone who has spent a lot of time in Peru I have to say it is not common for people to be kidnapped, that is not true at all.

I totally agree with you darnudes, though it happens it is not a common occurrence in Peru.
It was a common occurrence in Chile (not Peru) years ago, IIRC, during the Pinochet regime?

 

[SoCalSleuth]

hmm...interesting. If she offered him a ride back to his hotel, i wonder why her car was found so far away from the hotel (that is what has been reported correct??)

ETA: if he can be placed as having to move the vehicle away from the hotel, that shoots his 'i went for coffee and came back and she was dead' defence in the foot!!

To give him more time to escape. He had to know that eventually they would look for her. If they found her car at the hotel then obviously that's the first place they would look for her. If they found the car somewhere else--that's the first place they would look for her. The farther the way--the longer it would take to find her at the hotel. He got alot more time to get away by moving the car.