PETA Co-Founder's Unique Will (Warning: Slightly Graphic)

Yes, wild animals do hunt, kill and eat each other. However, they do not confine each other in absymal, inhumane conditions so that they will never run out of food.....

"A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members."

True, but how does sending off severed human body parts help the cause?
Yes, it gets people's attention, but those animals are still waiting in horrific conditions to be slaughtered for human consumption/ and or pure waste.

JMO
 
To me they are more concerned with what I consume rather that actual animal cruelty. How about tourtured, beaten animals? I never hear their outcry at that or at the fact that so many animals are put down daily. I bet none of them have ever even been in a shelter.


Sorry, but what you consume (meat, I assume), IS tortured and beaten. Animals bred for meat live horrendous, abusive, tortured, sad lives.

And, I am not casting stones here. I eat meat myself. I wish I didn't. One day, I hope to evolve to the point where I don't. I can only hope.

Google "The Earthlings" movie....and get your vomit cup ready. :-(
 
True, but how does sending off severed human body parts help the cause?
Yes, it gets people's attention, but those animals are still waiting in horrific conditions to be slaughtered for human consumption/ and or pure waste.

JMO

I don't know butwhatif. I think her point was to make people not look at animals as something different, apart from ourselves. I think her point was a shock jock performance art kind of thing....i.e. if a person thinks nothing about force feeding a sentient being so that they may have foie gras, then maybe they shouldn't think that eating her liver is such a terrible thing. I don't think that she sees the distinct line between *humans* and *animals*.....maybe she thinks we are all sentient beings which deserve the same respect, compassion and care...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force-feeding

Force-feeding

Force-feeding of birds is practiced mostly on geese or male Moulard ducks, a Muscovy/Pekin hybrid. Preparation for gavage usually begins 4–5 months before slaughter. For geese, after an initial free-range period and treatment to assist in esophagus dilation (eating grass, for example), the force-feeding commences. Gavage is performed 2–4 times a day for 2–5 weeks, depending on the size of the fowl, using a funnel attached to a slim metal or plastic feeding tube inserted into the bird's throat to deposit the food into the bird's crop (the storage area in the esophagus). A grain mash, usually maize mixed with fats and vitamin supplements, is the feed of choice. Waterfowl are suited to the tube method due to a non-existent gag reflex and extremely flexible esophagi, unlike other fowl such as chickens. These migratory waterfowl are also said to be ideal for gavage because of their natural ability to gain large amounts of weight in short periods of time before cold seasons. For this reason, gavage is usually a "finishing" stage before the bird is set for slaughter, for if left to its own devices after finishing, the bird will quickly return to its normal weight. The result of this practice is a severely enlarged and fatty liver which results in the liver disease hepatic lipidosis. The liver may swell up to 12 times its normal size (up to three pounds). While the livers are the coveted portions of these birds, the fatty flesh of geese and ducks (traditionally used to make confit) as well as their feathers do also find a market.

250px-Foiegras4.jpg


Considering that a normal goose only weighs between 3 and 13 pounds, I would think that a 3 pound liver would be very uncomfortable. Not to mention having a tube jammed down your throat 2-5 times a day... Is it really necessary to torture another living being so some *civilized human* can eat some paste on a cracker? Really? Maybe she felt that sending part of her liver would make them look at it differently. After all, she was done with it and all it is going to do at this point is rot. Maybe she felt this was a better use for it than moldering in the ground. Is it really soooo different from donating your body to medical science? If you can't get someones attention, how do you change their minds? I'm guessing she didn't feel that sending parts of her body to places is any worse than what we do to animals everyday in the name of *civilization*....

After all, God said that not a sparrow would fall that he would not know....
 
Sorry, but what you consume (meat, I assume), IS tortured and beaten. Animals bred for meat live horrendous, abusive, tortured, sad lives.

And, I am not casting stones here. I eat meat myself. I wish I didn't. One day, I hope to evolve to the point where I don't. I can only hope.

Google "The Earthlings" movie....and get your vomit cup ready. :-(
Actally I RARELY eat out and our meat is puchased at a place where I know how they are raising and killing their animals. Its a mom and pop business that raises their livestock and kills them humanely. No hormones, cages, etc.
 
You can bet that required a late night and a bottle of Jack....


But, to give credit: she is quite imaginative.
 
Yes, wild animals do hunt, kill and eat each other. However, they do not confine each other in absymal, inhumane conditions so that they will never run out of food.....

"A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members."

I don't consider animals to be part of human society. Cruelty is wrong no matter who or what it is directed to but animals IMO are just that - animals and not to be considered the same as humans.
 
I don't consider animals to be part of human society. Cruelty is wrong no matter who or what it is directed to but animals IMO are just that - animals and not to be considered the same as humans.

to each his own....:cow:

I guess I don't consider myself more important than the other creatures God also created. FWIW - No, I'm not a vegetarian....nor am I a member of PETA.
 
A lot of people in this world that LOVE animals like me, think PETA is a joke.

I wonder why????
 

The other posters explained it well, with the link to the Peta Kills site. Also, the likes of Time and other legitimate news sources have done articles exposing their hypocritical practices. Peta's overall ethics is pretty disgusting... like I explained it to my vegetarian daughter when she was contemplating joining Peta: it's a myth that Peta is against killing animals for food and clothing... in reality, Peta is perfectly happy to kill animals... their records and actions prove that. Then I scared her away from them with this tidbit about her kitty, Harry: Peta would gladly walk into our house and kill Harry than have him stay her pet. Peta only exists in 2 modes for animals it seems: completely free... or dead.
 
I admit to having "smarta$$" syndrome at times: on more than one ocassion I have told a protester or 3 that I would stop wearing leather when they stop wearing cotton and avenge the death of boll weevils.

Poor boll weevils, no one ever defends them from being murdered in the production of cotton... which is eventually used in making tshirts so people like Peta can display and advertise their self-righteousness... :)
 
I admit to having "smarta$$" syndrome at times: on more than one ocassion I have told a protester or 3 that I would stop wearing leather when they stop wearing cotton and avenge the death of boll weevils.

Poor boll weevils, no one ever defends them from being murdered in the production of cotton... which is eventually used in making tshirts so people like Peta can display and advertise their self-righteousness... :)

:clap::clap:Great Point!!!! I've never thought of that.:clap::clap:
 
I don't know butwhatif. I think her point was to make people not look at animals as something different, apart from ourselves. I think her point was a shock jock performance art kind of thing....i.e. if a person thinks nothing about force feeding a sentient being so that they may have foie gras, then maybe they shouldn't think that eating her liver is such a terrible thing. I don't think that she sees the distinct line between *humans* and *animals*.....maybe she thinks we are all sentient beings which deserve the same respect, compassion and care...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force-feeding

Force-feeding

Force-feeding of birds is practiced mostly on geese or male Moulard ducks, a Muscovy/Pekin hybrid. Preparation for gavage usually begins 4–5 months before slaughter. For geese, after an initial free-range period and treatment to assist in esophagus dilation (eating grass, for example), the force-feeding commences. Gavage is performed 2–4 times a day for 2–5 weeks, depending on the size of the fowl, using a funnel attached to a slim metal or plastic feeding tube inserted into the bird's throat to deposit the food into the bird's crop (the storage area in the esophagus). A grain mash, usually maize mixed with fats and vitamin supplements, is the feed of choice. Waterfowl are suited to the tube method due to a non-existent gag reflex and extremely flexible esophagi, unlike other fowl such as chickens. These migratory waterfowl are also said to be ideal for gavage because of their natural ability to gain large amounts of weight in short periods of time before cold seasons. For this reason, gavage is usually a "finishing" stage before the bird is set for slaughter, for if left to its own devices after finishing, the bird will quickly return to its normal weight. The result of this practice is a severely enlarged and fatty liver which results in the liver disease hepatic lipidosis. The liver may swell up to 12 times its normal size (up to three pounds). While the livers are the coveted portions of these birds, the fatty flesh of geese and ducks (traditionally used to make confit) as well as their feathers do also find a market.

250px-Foiegras4.jpg


Considering that a normal goose only weighs between 3 and 13 pounds, I would think that a 3 pound liver would be very uncomfortable. Not to mention having a tube jammed down your throat 2-5 times a day... Is it really necessary to torture another living being so some *civilized human* can eat some paste on a cracker? Really? Maybe she felt that sending part of her liver would make them look at it differently. After all, she was done with it and all it is going to do at this point is rot. Maybe she felt this was a better use for it than moldering in the ground. Is it really soooo different from donating your body to medical science? If you can't get someones attention, how do you change their minds? I'm guessing she didn't feel that sending parts of her body to places is any worse than what we do to animals everyday in the name of *civilization*....

After all, God said that not a sparrow would fall that he would not know....
I hear you, I really do, but I just feel that this was more about shock value, (which I'm not a fan of).

She probably has managed to sway some people into being vegies themselves, and has made us discuss the topic and really think about how horrific it all is....so she's achieved something, but not in the broader picture, imo.
I was a vegetarian for 7 years, and believe me, I debated all of these points till the cows came home (no pun intended).

I ended up getting quite sick. My body has trouble absorbing B12, so not eating meat made it worse.
When I saw a hematologist and he gave me my results, he said that I had two choices. 1) I could have B12 injections monthly, or 2) I could eat 3 pounds of RAW liver each day! My jaw dropped as he told me this, and he continued on to say that if I squeezed some orange juice on it, it would help with the asorbtion, and the juice gave it a better flavor!!
Uhm, no thanks...injection please.

It was disgusting back then, and even though I have gone back to eating meat, it still disgusts me now. There's certain things I still can't bring myself to eat. I can eat chicken breast, but not a leg, or wing, because I'm reminded that this was once a live animal who was pumped full of steroids and hormones, while being caged with so many others in such inhumane conditions .
We're hypocrytical to the extreme- I know that. We will eat cows, sheep, pigs etc, yet we are horrified that in other countries people eat cats and dogs.
Or in Italy where live maggots are eaten as a delicacy. Most of us would cringe and gag at the thought of it, but really what's the difference, right?

I personally would like to see PETA work towards making changes to the system that allows these animals to live such horrific lives before they are slaughtered,and doing something about the massive amounts of wastage instead of always going for shock value and major publicity.

To be honest, I don't even know how much they do to change anything, since I don't visit their site, because I find their campaigns offensive, in the sense that I am being made to feel guilty, and its so 'in your face', aggressive.

I think it's great for them to try to educate people and keep reminding them about the truth of animal cruelty, but it's kinda like religion. It's not nice having it shoved in your face, and it's a personal choice each individual needs to make for themselves. Maybe if they changed their strategy, they might reach more people.
I just worry that things like this will make the general public view them as loonies instead of really hearing the message they want to send out.

JMO
 
to each his own....:cow:

I guess I don't consider myself more important than the other creatures God also created. FWIW - No, I'm not a vegetarian....

Just curious why you aren't a vegetarian if you feel so passionately about it? Not trying to put you on the spot here, I just find it really interesting.

ETA: 'MOO' takes on a whole new meaning in this thread. LOL
 
Don't these people realize that all the crazy stuff they do just turns people off to the things they're trying to accomplish?? No one listens to these nutjobs anymore because they're so far out there.

Absolutely right. There are some things Peta does I really like but when they do their far out whack job stuff it just totally turns me off.

Sometimes when they put out a press release about some horrible abuse of animals I am right there with them but I would never become a member of Peta because of the other things they do. Like saying we shouldn't find a cure for AIDS if it means testing on animals. Sorry. Humans top of the food chain BUT that doesn't mean we need to do unnecessary testing or we have the right to torture them. We don't. Being the highest on the food chain means we have a brain and we should use it to be kind in general.

Off my soapbox . . . please carry on.
 
Ouch.

Does she already have people lined up who are ready and willing to barbeque her and to make gloves out of her skin? I think a lot of cooks and glove makers are going to say thanks but no thanks.
 
I hear you, I really do, but I just feel that this was more about shock value, (which I'm not a fan of).

She probably has managed to sway some people into being vegies themselves, and has made us discuss the topic and really think about how horrific it all is....so she's achieved something, but not in the broader picture, imo.
I was a vegetarian for 7 years, and believe me, I debated all of these points till the cows came home (no pun intended).

I ended up getting quite sick. My body has trouble absorbing B12, so not eating meat made it worse.
When I saw a hematologist and he gave me my results, he said that I had two choices. 1) I could have B12 injections monthly, or 2) I could eat 3 pounds of RAW liver each day! My jaw dropped as he told me this, and he continued on to say that if I squeezed some orange juice on it, it would help with the asorbtion, and the juice gave it a better flavor!!
Uhm, no thanks...injection please.

It was disgusting back then, and even though I have gone back to eating meat, it still disgusts me now. There's certain things I still can't bring myself to eat. I can eat chicken breast, but not a leg, or wing, because I'm reminded that this was once a live animal who was pumped full of steroids and hormones, while being caged with so many others in such inhumane conditions .
We're hypocrytical to the extreme- I know that. We will eat cows, sheep, pigs etc, yet we are horrified that in other countries people eat cats and dogs.
Or in Italy where live maggots are eaten as a delicacy. Most of us would cringe and gag at the thought of it, but really what's the difference, right?

I personally would like to see PETA work towards making changes to the system that allows these animals to live such horrific lives before they are slaughtered,and doing something about the massive amounts of wastage instead of always going for shock value and major publicity. :woohoo: ME TOO!
To be honest, I don't even know how much they do to change anything, since I don't visit their site, because I find their campaigns offensive, in the sense that I am being made to feel guilty, and its so 'in your face', aggressive.

I think it's great for them to try to educate people and keep reminding them about the truth of animal cruelty, but it's kinda like religion. It's not nice having it shoved in your face, and it's a personal choice each individual needs to make for themselves. Maybe if they changed their strategy, they might reach more people.
I just worry that things like this will make the general public view them as loonies instead of really hearing the message they want to send out. ITA

JMO

Just curious why you aren't a vegetarian if you feel so passionately about it? Not trying to put you on the spot here, I just find it really interesting.

ETA: 'MOO' takes on a whole new meaning in this thread. LOL

I completely agree with every statement you make butwhatif. I am not a member of PETA or vegetarian, but I strongly feel that we are responsible for treating the other members of the planet fairly and humanely. I do not believe that *being at the top of the food chain* gives us the right to do what ever we please because we want something. No being was carelessly placed here for no purpose, or for us to torture and abuse for our pleasure, because I consider many of these practices for our pleasure (foi gras, veal, etc...). Everything has to eat, man included. But we are the only creatures who go about feeding ourselves in such a cruel manner and I think it is unnecessary and damaging on many levels - to us and the animals.

As 2sisters said:
Actally I RARELY eat out and our meat is puchased at a place where I know how they are raising and killing their animals. Its a mom and pop business that raises their livestock and kills them humanely. No hormones, cages, etc.

That is how we should all be doing it. Or raising them ourselves, the old way. You care for them and then they care for you....I actually feel it is necessary for us to eat meat. It is how we were designed, like many other animals. And when we do not do what we are supposed to we get sick, as you did. Its not supposed to be this way. It is not the nourishing ourselves that I object to, it is how we go about in todays world. The same thing you were saying. We just see it slightly differently. I don't know anything about PETA, I don't join groups like that. My posts were really aimed more at the idea that I don't consider the human body to be such a sacred object that upon our passing from this plain, that object couldn't or shouldn't be used to further a larger objective. Maybe PETA is out there, maybe they don't practice what they preach. I don't know. I was really trying to address the issue of the disconnect between our flesh and their flesh. I don't think they are so different. I don't believe humans are sacred above all other things and if we feel it is right, it must be so. I also feel our disconnect between considering them "food" or "animals" rather than living, breathing, reasoning beings capable of experiencing pain allows us to commit these atrocities. I understand I am probably just being argumentative. My issue is not about PETA, but what this woman was trying to do with the last, most precious thing she had to give. I felt she was trying to make the ultimate point. Shocking? Yes. Pointless....depends upon how you look at it. Crazy? See previous answer.

My final explanation is my signature line.....have you read Ishmael?

IWK>:blowkiss:<BWI?
 
What is this one in reference to? Does Ferrari perform animal testing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schumacher

From what I found out here, he is a German race car driver.

Since she wanted her heart placed there it's possible this is someone she admired. This article mentions the 10's of millions he has donated to charity and I could find nothing negative about him.

VB

p.s. Welcom to the boards Litespeed :)
 

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