CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

  • #1,261
That’s really bizarre about the guy with the candle. I guess nobody wants to buy the property because of what happened.
I find a bit odd in the first place, considering she's probably part owner. I wonder if she had blow back from the other owners (her siblings) so she was put in a position to put up her own money. If I was her the first thing I'd do is bring in a lot of heavy equipment to retrieve a lot of evidence that was bulldosed without thought. There could be a trove of information in that lot.

I think a house needs to be built on it. I think she would be doing the residents of the street a real disservice if she turned it into a type of shrine or memorial to her parents. There's already odd people and lookyloos coming to scope out the place why put that burden on the residents of the street forever? Why would she want to be on the hook for the taxes, etc?

Something needs to be built there. It has to be a residence. The area is not zoned commercial. I'd be up in arms if someone tried to do that on my street with multi-million dollar homes. Is that a classic NIMBY? Absolutely, but it's a valid point.
 
  • #1,262
I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment of the Sherman personalities. Agreed, that BS was a unique individual; socially inept, a distant father whose relationship with his children was based on high expectations because they had his genes, a shark in the business world but a dud in the social world, a person who lived vicariously through colorful characters who he financially supported in flawed enterprises. He was quixotic, a billionaire who drove cars until they were ready for the junk yard. Who would have dressed like a homeless person if it wasn't for HS. He was a bit of a misogynist, too, imo, removing his daughters as trustees of his estate and keeping only JS, his son-in-law BK, JK and AG. Eight years later, JK fired and now deceased and as of days ago, JS is trying to have BK and AG removed. Talk about a monopoly.

As for Honey, I think she was made to feel less than because of her failed pregnancies which made her feel less emotionally attached to her children born by surrogacy. Even though HS had the highest value as one of Canada's biggest philanthropic leaders, she was probably the equivalent of a 50s housewife who was given a budget but had no money of her own. Granted that budget may have been in the millions but it was never hers alone. I mean real money, not earmarked for charity or Sherman business and family related expenses.

They fought. A lot. Their children verified that. But something changed in the last years of their lives and it makes me wonder what that was. The kids said they were more mellow, more given to holding hands, less arguing and more laughing. MS spoke of HS and a will. The famous will that never surfaced and the lawyer who never offered one up. How many lawyers worked for the Shermans? Do all lawyers really abide by the lawyer/client confidentiality agreement? What would make a lawyer renege on that agreement?

I have my number one suspect, who unsurprisingly is the number one suspect of a lot of people but there are other individuals in close proximity to the family who depended on the Shermans to provide them a lifestyle they seemed incapable of providing for themselves even when given the financial assistance to create their own business opportunities. I don't like to call them parasitic but the reality is when close family members are extremely wealthy you might receive their generosity because you're thankful for the gift but if the giver thinks the gift is seen by the recipients as a right it may be taken away. Then what? When you can no longer live the life to which you have become accustomed to?

Very interesting description of BS, thank you.

The kids do have his genes, so certain traits could have been inherited, too, btw.

I wouldn’t call anyone “parasitic”. Simply, the bar is too high. To achieve, one has to move to a place where “Barry Sherman” or “Apotex” was not heard of, and start on one’s own.

One more consideration: I think Barry was the only provider in the family, but given how busy he was, for him being generous to his children equaled loving them. Perhaps it was love, since he had no time to express it otherwise. Money = “care”, right? Or, “for some people, money is the only love language they know”. The opposite could also be true: this is how the kids were used to view him.

If suddenly, there is no more money or worse, a request comes to return it, it might be viewed as “witholding love”, and given the history, I can imagine how someone could feel angry.

About my suspect: “for Barry, the kid Nr. 1 was the Apotex. His time, his talent, his heritage. So it did not come from the Apotex. The rest of the relationships represented a finance-laced drama, so, somewhere there”.
 
  • #1,263
I don't see anything particularly ominous about that. There's a bit of an age gap between the younger sibling and older two. In wealthy families the idea of giving money to children to instill in them a sense of purpose by opening up their own money stream isn't unusual. But when the first two don't really have anything to show for the millions given/invested maybe Honey who was born in a displaced persons camp after the war probably felt a little put out by it. Especially considering how uneven the giving was, with the bulk of the money being given to JS. He got lots of money with not much to show for it. Sure he has a storage business, not exactly cutting edge, and he's had more failures than successes, mostly get rich quick schemes that don't really come to fruition. So to avoid putting more money down the drain (which could have been based a little on jealousy) HS convinced BS be a bit more stringent with the purse for the younger two.
 
  • #1,264
Very interesting description of BS, thank you.

The kids do have his genes, so certain traits could have been inherited, too, btw.

I wouldn’t call anyone “parasitic”. Simply, the bar is too high. To achieve, one has to move to a place where “Barry Sherman” or “Apotex” was not heard of, and start on one’s own.

One more consideration: I think Barry was the only provider in the family, but given how busy he was, for him being generous to his children equaled loving them. Perhaps it was love, since he had no time to express it otherwise. Money = “care”, right? Or, “for some people, money is the only love language they know”. The opposite could also be true: this is how the kids were used to view him.

If suddenly, there is no more money or worse, a request comes to return it, it might be viewed as “witholding love”, and given the history, I can imagine how someone could feel angry.

About my suspect: “for Barry, the kid Nr. 1 was the Apotex. His time, his talent, his heritage. So it did not come from the Apotex. The rest of the relationships represented a finance-laced drama, so, somewhere there”.
I would call a few of them parasitic, specifically MS's son who regularly bought thousands of dollars of stuff that MS and HS actively hid from BS.

If money was BS's love language that didn't bode well for KS since he was pretty miserly with doling out funds for her to the point KS received noticeably insignificant amounts compared to her other siblings.

I agree with you that Apotex was probably BS's first love, not because he didn't really love his children, I think he did, but it wasn't possible for him to be that doting dad who'd watch his child draw some dumb picture and praise them. He'd be more likely to comment on the scale being off or that the colours weren't accurate.
 
  • #1,265
I was always under the impression that JK owned a small piece of the equity in Apotex, say maybe 5% as he had built up the company with BS and IMO he was entitled to owning a piece of it. I did some checking and was unable to find anything in regards to JK owning a piece of the company. Does anyone know anything about this?
I'm remembering vague and will try to find something.
 
  • #1,266

"Kay, who owns shares in the privately held Apotex, was vicechairman of the company's board of directors ...."
 
  • #1,267
“This foundation honours my parents’ legacy by partnering with organizations that advance healthcare access and equity and improve the lives of people in Canada and around the world.”

''In 2020, Honey and Barry’s daughter, Alex Krawczyk, established the Foundation to honour the legacy and memory of her parents. Alex has worked as a registered nurse for over 10 years in community health, is studying public health, and writes music as a way to process her loss, grief and trauma.
Anyone with information that may lead to justice in the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman is encouraged to contact the Toronto Police at [email protected] or anonymously through Crime Stoppers (416)222-8477 (TIPS) or 1-800-222-8477.

We believe that justice is still possible and hope that this horrific crime will be solved.''
 

Attachments

  • 1764597816666.webp
    1764597816666.webp
    62.6 KB · Views: 19
  • #1,268
  • #1,269
Anybody have connections with TPS? Are they going to do a Press Conference and update the public on this case?
It will be the 8th anniversary of the deaths of the Sherman's.
 
  • #1,270
Anybody have connections with TPS? Are they going to do a Press Conference and update the public on this case?
It will be the 8th anniversary of the deaths of the Sherman's.
I doubt it. IMO this is one instance when being aging billionaires is not an advantage.

IMO, most police anniversaries are for those perceived as highly vulnerable victims of predatory strangers, such as 8 year old Nicole. Not people who had every advantage in life but made enemies and couldn't be bothered with basic home security.

JMO
 
  • #1,271
“This foundation honours my parents’ legacy by partnering with organizations that advance healthcare access and equity and improve the lives of people in Canada and around the world.”

''In 2020, Honey and Barry’s daughter, Alex Krawczyk, established the Foundation to honour the legacy and memory of her parents. Alex has worked as a registered nurse for over 10 years in community health, is studying public health, and writes music as a way to process her loss, grief and trauma.
Anyone with information that may lead to justice in the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman is encouraged to contact the Toronto Police at [email protected] or anonymously through Crime Stoppers (416)222-8477 (TIPS) or 1-800-222-8477.

We believe that justice is still possible and hope that this horrific crime will be solved.''
O/T
I am amazed to see, how much Alex's appearance has improved since 2017. ☺️
 
  • #1,272
I doubt it. IMO this is one instance when being aging billionaires is not an advantage.

IMO, most police anniversaries are for those perceived as highly vulnerable victims of predatory strangers, such as 8 year old Nicole. Not people who had every advantage in life but made enemies and couldn't be bothered with basic home security.

JMO
Are we victim blaming here? Or is the TPS victim blaming?
 
  • #1,273
I don’t read Cedars’ post as victim blaming so much as commenting on how LE tends to prioritize which cases they highlight publicly. Police anniversary updates are usually tied to cases where the victims are seen as especially vulnerable or at risk from predatory strangers. When a case involves wealthy, high-profile individuals with complex personal and business histories, departments often approach public statements more cautiously because anything they say can influence civil, financial, and political dynamics around the case.


That doesn’t mean the victims are being blamed, or that their choices caused what happened — only that LE may assess the public communication strategy differently in a case like this.


There’s a difference between discussing investigative priorities and suggesting responsibility lies with the victims, and I don’t think anyone here is suggesting the latter.


JMO.
 
  • #1,274
Are we victim blaming here? Or is the TPS victim blaming?
Of course not - every murder investigation uses whatever techiques can be used to solve the crime, and catch and punish the criminals. Police are required to be professionals, they don't pick favourites based on race, religion, gender, age, wealth or poverty, or law-abidingness of the victim. A homeless person, a gang member, a sex worker, a temporary immigrant - their murders count just as much, ie equal, not more, not less, as billionaires.

However, public announcements are different. They did that when they wanted to put WM evidence out into the public. But merely to mark the anniversary every year - as though no other uncompleted homicide cases exist in Toronto? IMO that would be showing favoritism.

JMO
 
  • #1,275
In my defense, this line triggered my victim shaming response.
"Not people who had every advantage in life but made enemies and couldn't be bothered with basic home security".

The fact that the Sherman's have their own thread here on Websleuths, and there has been worldwide media coverage, says to me that this case has significance and interest, and that the TPS should be very open and transparent, where reasonable and practical within the legal system.

MOO
 
  • #1,276
Just been watching the Pat Brown podcast which is about three years old now. Her prime person of interest is KW. She raises some interesting points that has also has led me to a couple of questions which i think are interesting questions about the case.

Now KW has stated he thinks it's a murder suicide. KW is the only family member to believe this as stated by PB.

However, PB lays out perfectly reasonable motive and modus operandi in relation to KW being a person of interest at the top of her list. Im not oing to go through each point by her on here but her podcast gives a full multi point explanation which i feel is perfectly credible.

People will argue that to point the finger at KW is too perfect, too obvious, including KD, however bear with me on this.

What i dont understand is this. If JS is the perpetrator as some believe. Why does JS not point at the finger specifically at KW who had motive and does not have a rock solid alibi. We know KW has the motive. We know the murders were personal. Theres strong evidence this was personal in modus operandi (see pat brown podcast)

So, If i was JS and i was the perpetrator and lets say KW had nothing to do with it, then i would want to divert attention to an obviuous person of interest such as KW and focus on that one person. But JS does not do that?

in fact,, JS mentions different people as possible persons of interest including JK but he doesn't focus on KW.

If as KD claims murders were committed in the perfect storm and the perfect storm alludes to the court case with KW weeks before the murder amongst other things, then why doesn't JS if he was the perpetrator point the finger at KW which would be the logical thing to do?

So, logically I would suggest JS was not the perpetrator and therefore does not know who it is and thus had voiced his opinions as an honest innocent person.

KW took a lie detector test and failed but not on the question "Did you kill Barry and Honey Sherman?" No. He failed on the question asked "if he was ever asked by barry to hire someone to kill honey".

This is interesting because if KW was the perpetrator then he took a chance on passing the test on a question that would not convict him of the murders of honey and barry sherman.

This is significant because it means he now will refuse to answer the question we all want him to answer due to the fact that he will claim it (the lie detector test) got it wrong last time so why should I put myself through another lie detector test for it to accuse him of lying again.

Now maybe KW can prove me wrong and take another lie detector test.

Now I know people are now going to say that the walking man is the wrong height in comparison to KW. So, I would like to know how accurate the methods are when used to identify the height of the walking man and compare to the height of KW. Maybe there are experts out there who would question that the methods used by TPS in this regards are suspect?

For me KW is the right build and similar height to the walking man. The kicking up of the foot could simply be due to walking through the snow.

As PB states in her podcast. The walking man was seen in the vicinity if the shermman house around the time of 5he murders. The walking man did not park a car up but walked on foot because if this person is local then they want to avoid number plate recognition wheras a hitman would use false plates etc.

The walking man fits in with KW profile.

Sometimes the simplest explanations are the answer. Following the money might have clouded the answer to these murders. It's a possibility 5he answer to this case is the most simplest most obvious.

One perpetrator who walked to the house. Committed the crime without use of mobile phone based on a hunch both barry and honey would be home in the evening. There was no perfect storm. Just an inkling of an opportunity of when they ( the shermansb) arrived home which worked out well for the petpetrator, not rocket science for them.

It wasn't complicated.

Then they had a bit of luck. The police believed the crime scene was murder suicide initially.








I was surprised BS wanted to get involved with this Iranian backer, but money is money, and I hear BS could be ruthless.
But def not govt hit. As to the IDF..... hmmmm....

I do think JS had a personal and financial reason. He was angry and owed BS, but I feel he comes off as a dufus, without the mental ability to execute a perfect plan even with help from his bros....... to me this was an expert hit, with a strange amount of personal drama by placing the bodies (I believe this is the clue. It wasn't just a sick hitman, or a hitman displaying a comedy routine, this was personal)

KD def wants to sell books, and no one can hold him to the fire to prove his suspicions as he hasn't come out and said "whodunnit", but he's been clear he is almost positive and it aligns with TPS line of thinking.
TPS could tell him to reveal what he knows about a crime, but that would get really messy, and I don't think TPS wants to go down that trail, especially since NOK appear to no longer care who or what or how.
If JS is #1 suspect, he has certainly remained in the news, with the donations and builds. Even his sister has been splashing out money from the foundation. I"m not arguing about how they've spent it, which I think was all good, but JS certainly did it in a big way....... personally I would stay quiet and go live remotely off my billions..........
Anyways... RIP Jack.... I'm sure you haven't reconnected with BS :cool:
 
  • #1,277
Anyone who follows his work knows that Kevin Donovan believes Jonathon is responsible for the murders, had financial motivations, came up with his plan very quickly, and carried it out with two friends. In the past year he has provided an increasingly elaborate description of what he imagines happened.

He believes all of this without evidence. He also believes, without evidence, that the police share his theory.

I think he’s waaaaaaaaay off and incredibly irresponsible.
He believes police share his theory. But is this just a belief? We just do not know.

All I know is that if it wasn't for KD I wouldn't be interested in this case.

You have to read between the lines as to whether the TPS and KD are on the same page. I'm sure KD thinks they are as he alludes to this but dont know they are on the same page.
 
  • #1,278
  • #1,279
In my defense, this line triggered my victim shaming response.
"Not people who had every advantage in life but made enemies and couldn't be bothered with basic home security".
I've seen such reactions elsewhere.

ETA: I think that originated in He said/She said sexual assault cases, but it's hardly the same in murders!

IMO, crime solving requires an understanding of reality and a commitment to finding the truth. Not passing judgement on people like St. Peter did: as either angels or devils.
 
Last edited:
  • #1,280
He believes police share his theory. But is this just a belief? We just do not know.

All I know is that if it wasn't for KD I wouldn't be interested in this case.

You have to read between the lines as to whether the TPS and KD are on the same page. I'm sure KD thinks they are as he alludes to this but dont know they are on the same page.
It’s just his own self-serving belief, pride in his superior sleuthing skills that allow him to be certain of who the murderer is while the police have made sooooooo many mistakes they are embarrassed about and trying to hide under redactions.

He has said outright that he believes the police share his theory. I’ve seen nothing to support this.
 

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
61
Guests online
1,449
Total visitors
1,510

Forum statistics

Threads
635,561
Messages
18,678,967
Members
243,291
Latest member
reya
Back
Top