CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[branmuffin]

That’s really bizarre about the guy with the candle. I guess nobody wants to buy the property because of what happened.

I find a bit odd in the first place, considering she's probably part owner. I wonder if she had blow back from the other owners (her siblings) so she was put in a position to put up her own money. If I was her the first thing I'd do is bring in a lot of heavy equipment to retrieve a lot of evidence that was bulldosed without thought. There could be a trove of information in that lot.

I think a house needs to be built on it. I think she would be doing the residents of the street a real disservice if she turned it into a type of shrine or memorial to her parents. There's already odd people and lookyloos coming to scope out the place why put that burden on the residents of the street forever? Why would she want to be on the hook for the taxes, etc?

Something needs to be built there. It has to be a residence. The area is not zoned commercial. I'd be up in arms if someone tried to do that on my street with multi-million dollar homes. Is that a classic NIMBY? Absolutely, but it's a valid point.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment of the Sherman personalities. Agreed, that BS was a unique individual; socially inept, a distant father whose relationship with his children was based on high expectations because they had his genes, a shark in the business world but a dud in the social world, a person who lived vicariously through colorful characters who he financially supported in flawed enterprises. He was quixotic, a billionaire who drove cars until they were ready for the junk yard. Who would have dressed like a homeless person if it wasn't for HS. He was a bit of a misogynist, too, imo, removing his daughters as trustees of his estate and keeping only JS, his son-in-law BK, JK and AG. Eight years later, JK fired and now deceased and as of days ago, JS is trying to have BK and AG removed. Talk about a monopoly.

As for Honey, I think she was made to feel less than because of her failed pregnancies which made her feel less emotionally attached to her children born by surrogacy. Even though HS had the highest value as one of Canada's biggest philanthropic leaders, she was probably the equivalent of a 50s housewife who was given a budget but had no money of her own. Granted that budget may have been in the millions but it was never hers alone. I mean real money, not earmarked for charity or Sherman business and family related expenses.

They fought. A lot. Their children verified that. But something changed in the last years of their lives and it makes me wonder what that was. The kids said they were more mellow, more given to holding hands, less arguing and more laughing. MS spoke of HS and a will. The famous will that never surfaced and the lawyer who never offered one up. How many lawyers worked for the Shermans? Do all lawyers really abide by the lawyer/client confidentiality agreement? What would make a lawyer renege on that agreement?

I have my number one suspect, who unsurprisingly is the number one suspect of a lot of people but there are other individuals in close proximity to the family who depended on the Shermans to provide them a lifestyle they seemed incapable of providing for themselves even when given the financial assistance to create their own business opportunities. I don't like to call them parasitic but the reality is when close family members are extremely wealthy you might receive their generosity because you're thankful for the gift but if the giver thinks the gift is seen by the recipients as a right it may be taken away. Then what? When you can no longer live the life to which you have become accustomed to?

Very interesting description of BS, thank you.

The kids do have his genes, so certain traits could have been inherited, too, btw.

I wouldn’t call anyone “parasitic”. Simply, the bar is too high. To achieve, one has to move to a place where “Barry Sherman” or “Apotex” was not heard of, and start on one’s own.

One more consideration: I think Barry was the only provider in the family, but given how busy he was, for him being generous to his children equaled loving them. Perhaps it was love, since he had no time to express it otherwise. Money = “care”, right? Or, “for some people, money is the only love language they know”. The opposite could also be true: this is how the kids were used to view him.

If suddenly, there is no more money or worse, a request comes to return it, it might be viewed as “witholding love”, and given the history, I can imagine how someone could feel angry.

About my suspect: “for Barry, the kid Nr. 1 was the Apotex. His time, his talent, his heritage. So it did not come from the Apotex. The rest of the relationships represented a finance-laced drama, so, somewhere there”.

 

[branmuffin]

Aha, found a news story that describes the dynamic more succinctly:

Barry gifted millions of dollars to the four children, much more to the first two — Lauren and Jonathon. In my interview with Jonathon in late December at his 100-acre compound, he described this as Barry “actively transferring wealth” to him. (Lauren, and Kaelen, have never agreed to an interview.) Alexandra and Kaelen received money over the years, but far less, family insiders say. “Honey had convinced Barry to be more careful with the second two,” one family member said.

I don't see anything particularly ominous about that. There's a bit of an age gap between the younger sibling and older two. In wealthy families the idea of giving money to children to instill in them a sense of purpose by opening up their own money stream isn't unusual. But when the first two don't really have anything to show for the millions given/invested maybe Honey who was born in a displaced persons camp after the war probably felt a little put out by it. Especially considering how uneven the giving was, with the bulk of the money being given to JS. He got lots of money with not much to show for it. Sure he has a storage business, not exactly cutting edge, and he's had more failures than successes, mostly get rich quick schemes that don't really come to fruition. So to avoid putting more money down the drain (which could have been based a little on jealousy) HS convinced BS be a bit more stringent with the purse for the younger two.

 

[branmuffin]

Very interesting description of BS, thank you.

The kids do have his genes, so certain traits could have been inherited, too, btw.

I wouldn’t call anyone “parasitic”. Simply, the bar is too high. To achieve, one has to move to a place where “Barry Sherman” or “Apotex” was not heard of, and start on one’s own.

One more consideration: I think Barry was the only provider in the family, but given how busy he was, for him being generous to his children equaled loving them. Perhaps it was love, since he had no time to express it otherwise. Money = “care”, right? Or, “for some people, money is the only love language they know”. The opposite could also be true: this is how the kids were used to view him.

If suddenly, there is no more money or worse, a request comes to return it, it might be viewed as “witholding love”, and given the history, I can imagine how someone could feel angry.

About my suspect: “for Barry, the kid Nr. 1 was the Apotex. His time, his talent, his heritage. So it did not come from the Apotex. The rest of the relationships represented a finance-laced drama, so, somewhere there”.

I would call a few of them parasitic, specifically MS's son who regularly bought thousands of dollars of stuff that MS and HS actively hid from BS.

If money was BS's love language that didn't bode well for KS since he was pretty miserly with doling out funds for her to the point KS received noticeably insignificant amounts compared to her other siblings.

I agree with you that Apotex was probably BS's first love, not because he didn't really love his children, I think he did, but it wasn't possible for him to be that doting dad who'd watch his child draw some dumb picture and praise them. He'd be more likely to comment on the scale being off or that the colours weren't accurate.

 

[FromGermany1]

I was always under the impression that JK owned a small piece of the equity in Apotex, say maybe 5% as he had built up the company with BS and IMO he was entitled to owning a piece of it. I did some checking and was unable to find anything in regards to JK owning a piece of the company. Does anyone know anything about this?

I'm remembering vague and will try to find something.

 

[FromGermany1]

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"Kay, who owns shares in the privately held Apotex, was vicechairman of the company's board of directors ...."

 

[dotr]

Our Story | Honey & Barry Sherman Legacy Foundation

A Foundation to honour Honey and Barry Sherman’s Legacy, established by daughter Alex Krawczyk in 2020 to create a lasting legacy in their memory.

shermanlegacyfoundation.com

“This foundation honours my parents’ legacy by partnering with organizations that advance healthcare access and equity and improve the lives of people in Canada and around the world.”

''In 2020, Honey and Barry’s daughter, Alex Krawczyk, established the Foundation to honour the legacy and memory of her parents. Alex has worked as a registered nurse for over 10 years in community health, is studying public health, and writes music as a way to process her loss, grief and trauma.
Anyone with information that may lead to justice in the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman is encouraged to contact the Toronto Police at [email protected] or anonymously through Crime Stoppers (416)222-8477 (TIPS) or 1-800-222-8477.

We believe that justice is still possible and hope that this horrific crime will be solved.''