Peterson's Ex-Mistress Frey to Wed

[shopper]

Sure.

I'm getting the picture Shopper.

Geez, she didn't come across as stupid in that interview I saw on Oprah

Could she have been that unlucky to not know that two people she dated were married and only found out afterwards?
I know that still doesn't condone her behaviour ie going to the hospital and trying to break them up.
She is still a victim in the sense that SP lied to her, tricked her into falling in love with him and what a mess having the guilt of Laci and Connor.
She must have guilt about that.

I'm sure she does have guilt and I wouldn't trade places with her for any amount of money. She's just very, very needy IMO and as Otto pointed out a few posts back, to hear her on those tapes, you'd never guess that the relationship had only lasted about 2 months, with only a very few real dates. It sounded as if they'd been dating for several months. And I don't think she was "acting" just to get him to spill his guts either, I got the feeling she was really that torn up about it.

If you want to see her as a victim, then you have that right. IMO, the word "unlucky" is a better fit. I'll concede that she's the victim of the media hounding her but that's as far as I can allow myself to consider her a victim.

 

[otto]

Sure.

I'm getting the picture Shopper.

Geez, she didn't come across as stupid in that interview I saw on Oprah

Could she have been that unlucky to not know that two people she dated were married and only found out afterwards?
I know that still doesn't condone her behaviour ie going to the hospital and trying to break them up.
She is still a victim in the sense that SP lied to her, tricked her into falling in love with him and what a mess having the guilt of Laci and Connor.
She must have guilt about that.

Women that record phone conversations with married men and then try to hurt another woman, a wife and new mother with that conversation ... well, that's pretty low. That is definitely not something a victim or even a kind person does. That is something an angry person does. Maybe Amber felt like a victim because of her own emotional investment in these relationships, but not too many would agree that she really was a victim. Foremost, any woman that gets involved with a married man should remember they are second in line and are most likely walking into a troubled situation. With Scott, Amber's situation was a little different but as soon as she found out that Scott was married and had lied to her, she should have known what she was dealing with. It wasn't the first time for her to get involved with married men in extra-marital relationships so she knew the signs and she knew the lies. The fact that Scott continued to lie about being widowed is neither here nor there because Amber already knew that Scott was a liar and she chose to stay with him.

 

[nanandjim]

Hi 13th!

Concerning my "sources" - they are both people who have direct face-to-face contact with her. Not too hard to find here, since she lives within 2 miles of me, lol! Nope, didn't hear this on the internet! And FWIW, I heard this long before I knew she was getting married!

Thanks for the info, Pepper. She certainly sticks with her MO. Had she been with Scott a few more weeks or so, she may have gotten pregnant by him. Didn't she say that they didn't use protection that first night and that she wasn't on birth control?

Wouldn't that have been something? Scott murders his wife for getting pregnant just to have his mistress turn up pregnant. I shudder to think if Scott would have stuck with his MO.

 

[Mabel]

Women that record phone conversations with married men and then try to hurt another woman, a wife and new mother with that conversation ... well, that's pretty low. That is definitely not something a victim or even a kind person does. That is something an angry person does. Maybe Amber felt like a victim because of her own emotional investment in these relationships, but not too many would agree that she really was a victim. Foremost, any woman that gets involved with a married man should remember they are second in line and are most likely walking into a troubled situation. With Scott, Amber's situation was a little different but as soon as she found out that Scott was married and had lied to her, she should have known what she was dealing with. It wasn't the first time for her to get involved with married men in extra-marital relationships so she knew the signs and she knew the lies. The fact that Scott continued to lie about being widowed is neither here nor there because Amber already knew that Scott was a liar and she chose to stay with him.

That's not at all what happened. You have your facts wrong.

 

[nanandjim]

That's not at all what happened. You have your facts wrong.

I think that the poster is referring to the other married man that Amber had dated at one point. The man was separated from his pregnant wife and moved in with Amber. When he decided to go back to his wife, I believe that she played recorded phone conversations for her.

 

[Mabel]

No, that is not what happened. Amber was living with the man and he was considering going back to his wife. Amber told him, truthfully, that the wife said nothing but bad things about him. He didn't believe it so Amber went met the woman for lunch and recorded her nasty comments. It didn't help though, he went back to his wife anyway and shortly thereafter got divorced.

 

[nanandjim]

No, that is not what happened. Amber was living with the man and he was considering going back to his wife. Amber told him, truthfully, that the wife said nothing but bad things about him. He didn't believe it so Amber went met the woman for lunch and recorded her nasty comments. It didn't help though, he went back to his wife anyway and shortly thereafter got divorced.

Yeah, that's it. My memory is a little convoluted. :crazy: In any case, I think that was pretty desperate and pathetic of Amber. I would never have done it. I would have said, "See ya, wouldn't want to be ya."

 

[Mabel]

Gotta agree with you there. Amber should have sent him packing the minute he started talking about going back to his wife. I would have. She was foolish for dating him and moving in with him so soon after he separated from his wife. First separations rarely last.

 

[mssheila]

<<I am an adopted child, and I actually met and formed a relationship with my biological mother>>

Well, good for you mssheila.
I am adopted also and wish my story worked out like yours.
My biological mother was and probably still is a selfish cow who probably didn't consider an abortion because it wasn't the done thing back then.
Putting a child up for adoption isn't necassarily a good thing.

I would say that it usually is a good thing, if the woman realizes that she doesn't have the 'right stuff' to raise a child at that time. It's not how it happens EVERY time, but I'd say most of the time.

I'm sorry to hear about your biological mother. I hope your parents were better to you than she was.

 

[deanws]

Well it has been what, 2 years, since the trial and I'm not going to pretend to remember all the evidence presented so I won't get into a debate about that. I'd have to read Catherine Crier's book again, which I just might do since I'm between books at the time.

But I still don't think she deserves all of the credit, especially when she would've been found out anyway. Wasn't the Enquirer about to break with her pictures?

I really liked CC's book although it has a few errors in it. Overall I thought the book was great. Did you?

 

[narlacat]

<<I would say that it usually is a good thing, if the woman realizes that she doesn't have the 'right stuff' to raise a child at that time. It's not how it happens EVERY time, but I'd say most of the time.

I'm sorry to hear about your biological mother. I hope your parents were better to you than she was.>>


They were thanks mssheila.

But I still have issues lol, can you tell

I know alot of cases where adoptions haven't worked out for the best, but I know there are stories with happy endings too.

I'm not big on family stuff, my friends are my family mostly.

 

[mssheila]

<<I would say that it usually is a good thing, if the woman realizes that she doesn't have the 'right stuff' to raise a child at that time. It's not how it happens EVERY time, but I'd say most of the time.

I'm sorry to hear about your biological mother. I hope your parents were better to you than she was.>>


They were thanks mssheila.

But I still have issues lol, can you tell

I know alot of cases where adoptions haven't worked out for the best, but I know there are stories with happy endings too.

I'm not big on family stuff, my friends are my family mostly.

I've heard the same bad stories, but I think they are the exception, and not the rule. I'm glad to hear your parents were good to you. I have issues too, I have very strong feelings about adoption and reunions. My bio mom died 11 months after I met her. It was a small miracle that I sought her out when I did, and that she agreed to meet me, etc... because she became sick and died within 11 months.

ETA: My parents are worth their weight in gold! They adore my kids, and my husband, and they raised me right (if I do say so myself:dance: ) !

 

[Details]

Yes, it is true. You may want to do a little research on that subject. In fact, are you saying that Catherine Crier's book is lying? Plus, there are other independent sources that have said there were some calls that weren't recorded and these calls she never told LE about.

Amber didn't do anything less than I would expect anyone to do when there is someone missing. I'm sorry, I just don't give her hero status.

I've done some research on it before - the police, LE themselves debunked that rumor. Whether it happened before or after CC's book, I don't know. But I remember that quite clearly, LE saying that they had believed there were missing calls, that information was out in the press, and that they had reviewed their records and found that it was a mistake, there were not any calls that Amber did not record and turn in the tapes on.

I'd expect anyone to do this, but I've heard from plenty of people who have said they wouldn't do it - that they'd tell the police what they knew, but would be too afraid, or unwilling to take the media intrusion on their life to play the role of girlfriend to a murderer to try to get a taped confession for police.


Edited to add: Here's a link - http://www.courttv.com/trials/peterson/082504_ctv.html

Geragos quizzed him about suspicions he and other officers had about Frey.
The investigator acknowledged that detectives thought she had carried on secret talks with Peterson after agreeing to tape calls with him for police.

"I was very suspicious of her cooperation," he said.

But, he added, those doubts were not borne out.

"As I look back on it now law enforcement was mistaken," Jacobson said. "We were operating under not a valid concern."

During his two-day cross-examination of Frey earlier this week, Geragos asked her repeatedly if she had hidden calls from police or knew authorities suspected she had. She denied both.

 

[13th Juror]

Hi 13th!

Concerning my "sources" - they are both people who have direct face-to-face contact with her. Not too hard to find here, since she lives within 2 miles of me, lol! Nope, didn't hear this on the internet! And FWIW, I heard this long before I knew she was getting married!

Thanks very much, Pepper!

Well, that's exactly what I wanted to know. As discomforting as the news is - it certainly sounds far more credible than an internet rumor or a blurb in a tabloid. What a shame. I was really hoping it was a baseless rumor without any credence.

Like you mentioned in your earlier post - the ring & marriage first before crib shopping .. I totally agree.

Thanks for your response, Pepper.

13th Juror

 

[newtv]

Newtv: I agree with most of your posts here, except for this one area. Quoting you:

"She didnt abort her children or adopt them out-she is raising them..end of story- its her business who she chooses as fathers.."

You make it sound like putting a child up for adoption is a bad thing. There are many, many people who SHOULD have made that choice, and didn't and the child suffers because it was unwanted, unloved, and eventually as it got older, tossed aside. Adoption is a good and viable alternative for an unwanted pregnancy. Amber's choice of keeping her children was obviously because she wanted those children, planned or unplanned. But don't paint the whole adoption issue with such a broad brush... it's a good thing for many, many women.

I am an adopted child, and I actually met and formed a relationship with my biological mother. She told me, flat out, that my life with her would have been a nightmare for us both, because she was dating a very abusive and unstable man, who- at the time- she felt she could not leave. Her life, in total, was a trainwreck at the time. When she became pregnant with me, she went into a tailspin. That tailspin didn't stop with me being put up for adoption... her life sank deeper and deeper down until she hit rock bottom, cleaned herself up, and started her life over. With a child in tow, undoubtedly she would have had a much harder time to put her life back together.

Amber's choices are her own. She decided to keep the unplanned children, and good for her. I just hope she made the right choice for the children. I hope she has a long and stable marriage and I wish her the best of luck!

all i meant is she didnt abdicate her responsibilities and use abortion or adoption as a method of birth control..I agree with you..gloria steinem says that if adults wrote less and children wrote more adoption would be a high demand request.
My parents were so inadequate I longed to be adopted..in fact I am still looking-any takers..lol
I was simply referring to her as being responsible for her choices or accidents whatever they are..and she should be- I think she is a good enuf mother and I think she has the financial means to care for them.
And she isnt 16-she is 27-30 or 25 when she had the first one.
Like all of us Amber Frey is a walking contradiciton, partly truth and partly fiction (in the words of Kris Kristopherson)
I dont make sense-my choices dont make sense in all instances. I have done some really stupid things even at her age now..so I am just noone to judge a woman for finding her way the only way she knows how..and when we do stuff its cuz we dont consider the poor judgement we are using..denial can allow us to do stupid stupid things..we dont accept that we are in denial-we think we are going to land on our feet.
She isnt anyone we should judge imo..and I truly believe she did a good thing, by doing the right thing by Laci. She may have been charged with obstruction of justice otherwise..but that doesnt invclude her taping him..she didnt have to do it and she did.
As for those who think she withheld certain conversations- by not taping them - she did.
But there is nothing nefarious happening there-go back and read the transcripts etc..She had to turn on the tape everytime he called and there were many times when she couldnt..she wasnt just sitting by the phone..she had a very primitive way of taping him..it was a cell phone thing..if there had been anything untoward happening Mark G would have made toast of her..he didnt.
She taped everytime she could do so -sometimes she ran out of batteries..this was all explained and anyone who wants to go back and read what happened not make up what happened will have no issues what so ever with amber.
Its not her fault the whole thing was so big as to yield money afterwards..she did not know that when she agreed to tape him..no one could have.
It got bigger as time went on and by the end of it of course she was offered a deal..why not write her own version than have folks like so many here trash her without knowing how it all went down.
She is by no means an actress like I read in one post..she is so nervous being interviewed that u want to shoot her and put her out of her misery. She doesnt seek the limelight.
Whatever she did before scott is her life-none of us would know about it if not for scott. She didnt go looking for a scott scenario..noone would..
To this day women are especially hard on her and I will never accept it as justified..its the kind of thing too many women do- we all have those kind of women in our lives..the ones who are womens own worst enemy.
Why not look at our own lives and see if we really have anything to be riteous about- I really doubt it- cuz the stuff of being human is not the stuff that makes us riteous-it makes us humble if we care to look.

This post is not directed at u except for the adoption part..its just my reaction to all i have read since I last posted.

 

[narlacat]

Well posted Newtv.

God knows I am a walking contradiction too!
How funny, for want of a better word right now, to read you longed to be adopted, you're not the first person I've heard say that, but being adopted has it problems too..... but at least I can honestly say my brother and I aren't related

 

[Bobbisangel]

It's not what she does, but the fact that she has two kids from different relationships. It's about the kids to me. I don't care if she sleeps with everyone in California, whatever, that's her own business. I certainly don't think she's a or anything like that.

I haven't walked in her shoes because I made sure that I didn't. I had no intention of having children by a slew of different men. I think these kids deserve more.

And to think she allowed Scott to be alone with her child. That's what I have a problem with.

I don't think that it matters at all that she has two kids from two different relationships. Does that make her less of a mother? What about the mother that has two kids by her husband that drinks all of the time, beats the out of her because he has a horrible temper or neglects his children because they don't come first in his life and don't come first in their mother's life either because she is to busy trying to gauge her husbands every mood. Is that married mother a better mother just because she had two children by the same man and happens to be married to him? No, she isn't. From everything I have ever read about Amber I have never read that she isn't a great mother. Yes, she made the mistake of allowing Scott pick her daughter up from nursery school. Amber has admitted to that mistake even though she certainly didn't owe any of us an explaination or anything else.

That is great that you haven't walked in Amber's shoes. But I find it hard to believe that you didn't mess up at some time where you could have been walking in her shoes unless you didn't have sex until you were married. If you waited until marriage....that is great...you are one in a million.

As far as Amber's children deserving better how can you say that? You don't know what kind of a life her children have...if they have a lot of love...spend quality time with their mom....are fed, bathed, clothed, if they are happy little kids. Would it be better if Amber had married someone who was a lousy husband and father just for the sake of giving her children a father? I don't think so. There are a lot of children out there that would be far better off without 2 parents in the home whether it be the mother or father.

 

[Bobbisangel]

The article says that they were neighbors. Probably met while they were working in their yards. I'm impressed that this man took Amber AND her children to Disneyland or world. I like it when a woman has children and the children are involved in the couples outings.[QUOTE]

Uh huh. Like picnics?

They actually met while he was on a walk with his 2 children in the neighborhood and Amber was on a walk in the neighborhood with her 2 children.

Sure...like picnics, walks, the park, hikes, anything that a couple can do together with their kids. Of course they get talked about if they take the kids and they get talked about if they leave them with a babysitter. Single parents can't win so they do what they feel is right for them and their children and to heck with what others think...especially what people think that are on forums and don't even know the couple.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I agree wholly..she wasnt a mistress..thats a press term for the circumstances. She was his mistress because he knew-but she didnt so she was his girlfriend. He made her believe they had a future and that he was a single guy..a widower no less.
Amber is a product of her generation and though many do not indulge in sex with most of the people they date..the same number do.
It would be scandalous in a different generation.
For this generation its not that atypical. To marry and have a 3rd child with a different man is getting close to atypical..but its none of our business.
I hope for the sake of her children that she sorts out the paternity stuff-and that her daughter knows her real father.
She rebounded into a safety net with the doctor and thats typical when we are under immense stress..a stress most of us here cant even imagine.
She obviously likes to have a man in her life-most women do.
She is a good person and a young person.
If she had it to do over she would likely change things but not the children. Most women are grateful for the children from their relationships..maybe not before but certainly after they are born.
If she adopted 2 children they would be from differnt fathers..its a matter of how one wants to look at it..I dont look at it as a negative about her..she has a sound level of integrity and she may have truly believed the hairdresser was the dad. Its tragic for them all but its not evil..its the stuff of being human and needing someone to love.

I hunch that there are many of us who have slept with 2 different men..now had any of us become pregnant both times we would be an AMBER type. She will likely have a child with her husband and thats something we all would do too. I also suspect there are many of us who slept with 2 men at the same time or in close succession..this could be any of us is my point.
If we got pregnant with each man we slept with..or every other man..we would all have many children from different fathers..
She didnt abort her children or adopt them out-she is raising them..end of story- its her business who she chooses as fathers..and what about jody foster..her children are from sperm donors..anyone using sperm donors may have children from more than one father..its just not an issue in this modern world. (Unless u want it to be).

Had scott ended up with amber he would have been marrying UP imo. His mother wrecklessly gave her children away and never even told her own husband..thats more dispicable to me.

Laci lived with 2 guys before marriage and could have gotten pregnant even if using birth control..She could have had 2 children from different fathers. She would not have considered herself morally corrupt..nor would sharon.
Dennis has children with 2 different Mothers..he isnt a .
Anyhow-its as narrow an issue as u want it to be - or conversely as open and human as you want it to be.
Many would be surprised at how many children are from multiple fathers-and the fathers dont even know. It happens and it happened to amber-its all her business.

Congrats to Amber-I hunch that Laci likes her very much and knows that Amber saved her bacon when she couldnt. Without amber and those tapes there would not be a conviction. IMO

Everything that you said makes so much sense. There will always be those that are judgemental because it makes them feel good to feel better then others. The "well I would never......" I wonder what they do if their daughter ends up pregnant without being married? Are they understanding or do they make their lives miserable because they made a mistake?

 

[narlacat]

<<Single parents can't win so they do what they feel is right for them and their children and to heck with what others think>>

Well said for your entire post Bobbiesangel!
I agree, to heck with what others think, life's too short for that