Pit Bull Ban Starts Today In Garfield Heights, OH

[reb]

yes of course, any dog that is cared for, and trained correctly by a decent human being who is NOT a bad- gangsta /idiot is MORE LIKELY to behave well.. but that's not the issue here. the issue is that there is something inherently in the pit bull nature, that has been bred into them for generations.. that makes them MORE LIKELY to behave unpredictably.. 'snap' and attack. and when they DO attack, they seem to go into 'psycho' mode.. and once again, when they do... they're going to cause far more damage than most other dogs. these dogs were bred mostly to fight for money. and the 'snapping-going psycho' quality best suits a dog that you're going to fight for money, so they were bred specifically to encourage this characteristic.

but again, there are too many stories to count.. of nice people who have lovingly raised pits who would 'never hurt a fly',, and suddenly one day they go ballistic and attack another dog and kill it (sometimes another dog they live with, that's their best friend).. or a strange dog in public,, for no reason,, a child riding their bike down the street,, an old lady in her own yard, or even its OWN owner..... the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

 

[HAWG]

I use to read meters for a electric company and from my exprence all dogs can be vicious when you are approaching their territory, the little ones are the worst it seems they dont want to give up. I have had to run to my car many times and wait until the owner comes out. They always say oh! he or she wont bite but I have learned that this is not always true. It is the owners responsibility to see that they dont bite that should enclude all dogs not just pitbulls.
I own a pitbull and he is a BIG BABY but if you come on his territory he is going to protect it until one of us says it is okay then he goes and lays down. You have to train a dog just like you have to train your kids to mind.If you are a good pet owner this should not be a problem.
We have to tell my 2 1/2 yr. old grandaughter to be careful dont hurt him because she is rougher then him when they play. He knows when he can play rough and when he cant he is a trained dog.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It's the combination of size, an unstable temper with a lethal determination to kill once the attack is started, that is the problem.

This IS exactly the problem!!! Other animals do not have that instinct...to keep coming back to attack. The reason pits are singled out is because of this trait. Not to say other dogs haven't, but pits won't stop. It is one of the reasons they find them most attractive for fighting.

We can argue articles in the media all day long. You give me a Rott attack and I will give a pit attack which maimed or killed. This is senseless, IMO. The stats aren't even worth mentioning as they are subject to interpretation and differ on who did the studies for what reason. They are biased at best. I didn't even post the article of recent past where the woman was mauled to death on the way to get her mail in her own front yard by a pack of pits!

How many people need to die before others decide we need laws to protect them?

 

[Indy Gal]

As I have said from the beginning, it is the inbreeding that is the problem. GOOD breeders dont bred aggressive dogs, period. All the people for this ban please show me ONE case of a good breeders dog attacking anyone. I have searched and searched and come up with nothing. I love that there are some people here that dont like PBs and even they see this ban as bad. For those of you with big dogs, please remember that your dog will be next. I am done fighting this with some people who refuse to read the facts and go from feelings. It is A never ending arguement that goes no where.

AND Just to let you know the "thugs/gansters" are NOT the only people who owns these dogs.

I have been willing to hear ya'll out why cant we be heard? Again I am done with this thread! The work I do off this thread is what is going to make a differance, not argueing about it here.

 

[Indy Gal]

http://dogs.about.com/cs/breedprofiles/p/am_pit_bull.htm

So those who think it is in there nature please just read this!

By their very nature, American Pit Bull Terriers strive to be around humans - centuries of breeding have seen to that. They need a kind heart AND a kind hand - physical reprimands are useless and ineffective for any dog and should rarely, if ever, be employed.
American Pit Bull Terriers have been used by the FDA and USDA for sniffing out bombs and drugs and have been used by the military as well as police forces. APBT’s have also been used as therapy and service dogs; in fact, the first certified hearing dog in Alaska was an American Pit Bull Terrier.

 

[Indy Gal]

Also for those speaking of the family dogs turning, most are NOT full blooded Pits!! These are dogs they buy off someone making a quick buck off these dogs! And ya know what when you have more than one, I am sorry that is just plain STUPID! Just as it is stupid for me to own 2 male huskies! My vet has told me this which is why my boys go through extensive training year round!

ETA before i am jumped on I never knew that about my boys until after we had them both!

 

[Details]

You've been heard. I don't see anyone saying it's only thugs/gangsters who own the dogs - in fact, one of the big anti-pit-bull points often cited by me and other posters here, is the loved, family pet pit bull who turns.

As to the rest - this is the problem with pit bulls. Unless someone is doing extensive work, the dogs are not safe. You can't have two (and even you didn't know that), most breeders can't do it safely, if they ever breed with another dog it turns into a dangerous half breed - why on earth do we need to have a creature that hair trigger living with the general public? Sounds like a 'panther' to me - a creature too hazardous for most people to handle safely, not a good pet.

 

[Indy Gal]

Details I was speaking of huskies having 2 males. I like to consider my self a PB expert, its what I do.

ETA I may not be an expert, but do know a lot on the bred.

 

[Details]

Details I was speaking of huskies having 2 males. I like to consider my self a PB expert, its what I do.

ETA I may not be an expert, but do know a lot on the bred.

I was talking of this bit, "when you have more than one, I am sorry that is just plain STUPID" - I guess you meant it's stupid to own 2 pits, but not that you didn't know about it before your vet said - that was the bit that was about Huskies?

The thing is - is anyone other than a PB expert safe owning a PB?

 

[STEADFAST]

The thing is - is anyone other than a PB expert safe owning a PB?

Only a tiny, minescule, itty-bitty, barely perceptible percentage of pit bulls ever attack anyone. Much less than the percentage of people who attack people. You're much safer having a pit bull than a roommate.

 

[Indy Gal]

I was talking of this bit, "when you have more than one, I am sorry that is just plain STUPID" - I guess you meant it's stupid to own 2 pits, but not that you didn't know about it before your vet said - that was the bit that was about Huskies?

The thing is - is anyone other than a PB expert safe owning a PB?

If they are bred right anyone can own one!

BTW you are correct sorry for confusing in my post, it is a habit of mine i guess...lol

 

[reb]

<AND Just to let you know the "thugs/gansters" are NOT the only people who owns these dogs.>

obviously,, not,, as i have said again & again.... but what i also keep repeating is that obviously thugs are a huge part of the problem (doesn't everyone keep saying 'it's the owners,, not the dogs' ...well, there ya go.. they're referring mostly to the thugs here!)
and this is where i mention that, yes,, there's also plenty of nice people who own sweet pits that 'wouldn't hurt a fly'... until someday they snap.. or, sometimes they don't.... but if they do, they are going to cause far more damage (and be more likely to kill) than most other dogs.

 

[reb]

<Only a tiny, minescule, itty-bitty, barely perceptible percentage of pit bulls ever attack anyone>

oh yeah,, like we're supposed to believe THAT. 'barely perceptible'....?? yeah right. I guess all these attacks, maulings and killings,, yeah, it's just a huge mass delusion!
No thanks,, I'll stick with the facts here.

 

[STEADFAST]

<Only a tiny, minescule, itty-bitty, barely perceptible percentage of pit bulls ever attack anyone>

oh yeah,, like we're supposed to believe THAT. 'barely perceptible'....?? yeah right. I guess all these attacks, maulings and killings,, yeah, it's just a huge mass delusion!
No thanks,, I'll stick with the facts here.

How many pit bull attacks, maulings, and killings are you talking about? How many compared to the number of pit bull pets?

Let's take the numbers supplied by Alan Beck, one of the pit bull's biggest detractors: He estimates that they represent one percent of the total number of dogs in the U.S. That would mean there are 616,000 pit bulls in the U.S. He further states that they represent 19% of the fatal dog bites per year in the U.S., and that has been averaged over 20 years to be about 12. So pit bulls would be responsible for, let's estimate way upwards and say 6 just for easy figuring. That means that a given pit bull has a less than .00001% chance of ever killing anyone. Or, in other words, less than one in every one hundred thousand pit bulls is a killer.

By contrast, in a population of 300,000,000 people in th[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][/FONT]e U.S., there were 17,034 murders. That means a given human has a .000055 chance of killing anyone. Or, in other words, over five in every one hundred thousand humans is a killer.

In fact, "[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]more people are killed annually by tripping over their own slippers than all fatal dog attacks combined, regardless of breed."

http://wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31802&Itemid=394
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
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This is why I say that you're safer with a pit bull than a roommate.

 

[JBean]

<Only a tiny, minescule, itty-bitty, barely perceptible percentage of pit bulls ever attack anyone>

oh yeah,, like we're supposed to believe THAT. 'barely perceptible'....?? yeah right. I guess all these attacks, maulings and killings,, yeah, it's just a huge mass delusion!
No thanks,, I'll stick with the facts here.

I agree about sticking with the facts Reb. Can you post a link to support your position that it is a high precentage of pitbulls as compared to the total pit bull population, that attack people?

 

[Indy Gal]

I just dont think there are any, believe me I looked!

ETA Reb it is very hard to understand your posts. I am trying really hard as I want to hear everyone out on this.

 

[Indy Gal]

I found a great link!!

http://www.austinlostpets.com/kidskorner/2October/pitbull.htm

Pit Bulls speak - we are good dogs!

Most people, who are unfamiliar with the American Pit Bull Terrier, falsely believe that they are dangerous dogs. Unfortunately, Pit Bulls have a bad reputation because of some mean people who have abused their dogs and trained them to be aggressive. Pit Bulls are actually very stable, intelligent, and highly trainable. They are strong athletic dogs, and they require a guardian who is responsible and will give them plenty of exercise and training. They are very loving and loyal and make excellent animal companions.

Pit Bulls are heroes! America's first war dog was a Pit Bull named Stubby.


-Is it true that Pit Bulls can lock their jaw?
The infamous locking jaw is a myth.

Are Pit Bulls naturally aggressive towards humans?
While many Pit Bulls do tend to be aggressive towards other DOGS (as are most terriers), the normal, well raised Pit Bull has NO human-aggressive tendencies! In fact, human-aggression was actually bred out of the breed. The majority of Pit Bulls are affectionate, intelligent, trainable dogs. In fact, the highest obedience trial record of all time is held by an American Pit Bull Terrier named Maddy!

Can Pit Bulls "turn" on people?
In fact, no breed of dog does. Dog aggression is nearly always preceded by some kind of warning, and there is always a reason behind the attack. However, many inexperienced owners do not recognize the dog's behavior as aggression, or refuse to acknowledge it as a warning sign

 

[Indy Gal]

Here are FACT links if interested.

http://www.indypitcrew.org/

http://www.dogwatch.net/fight_ontario_ban/pit_bull_facts.html

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/

http://www.goodpooch.com/MediaBriefs/GPpitbulls.htm
http://www.happypitbull.com/
http://www.nsalamerica.org/feature/pitbull/fact_and_fiction.html

 

[imthemom]

yes of course, any dog that is cared for, and trained correctly by a decent human being who is NOT a bad- gangsta /idiot is MORE LIKELY to behave well.. but that's not the issue here. the issue is that there is something inherently in the pit bull nature, that has been bred into them for generations.. that makes them MORE LIKELY to behave unpredictably.. 'snap' and attack. and when they DO attack, they seem to go into 'psycho' mode.. and once again, when they do... they're going to cause far more damage than most other dogs. these dogs were bred mostly to fight for money. and the 'snapping-going psycho' quality best suits a dog that you're going to fight for money, so they were bred specifically to encourage this characteristic.

but again, there are too many stories to count.. of nice people who have lovingly raised pits who would 'never hurt a fly',, and suddenly one day they go ballistic and attack another dog and kill it (sometimes another dog they live with, that's their best friend).. or a strange dog in public,, for no reason,, a child riding their bike down the street,, an old lady in her own yard, or even its OWN owner..... the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

Any larger dog can kill a person or an animal. I had a report I did on a older lady at the hospital I work. She was attacked by two German Shepherds while trying to protect her yorkie. They killed her Yorkie and thankfully she got inside but not before she had a broken hip. Should we ban German Shepherds. I had a German Shepherd that we had to put down because he became so agressive and had bitten three people. My pit bull has never even tried to bite someone. Then one person you spoke of earlier who worked at a rescue center and said they were unstable. I know many experts who work with pit bulls even rescues who beg to differ. The dogs that were confinscated from Michael Vick are going to rescues and then eventually will be adopted out. They were studied and it was agreed all but one did not have agression issues out of 60. A judge court ordered them based on these findings to be sent to rescues and not youthanized. Cesar Millan has a show on and he works with pit bulls every day and he takes his own pit bull daddy to help him work with unstable dogs. He says his kids are around pits everyday and he does not worry about them. People at my local animal shelter where pits are adopted out and yes they work with them many of them everday have been on the news begging people to adopt them, telling people they are really loving pets to have it is all about who owns them. Animal precinct has had many pit bull rescues that go on to be adopted out and have great lives with great families. Ann Marie Lucas of ASPCA says pit bulls make great family pets, they are loving and very loyal. For as many people who say they are all bad and going to snap there are just as many people and experts who disagree and say they won't. I have friends that have pit bulls that have never snapped, I have two they have never snapped. I have never known anyone, in fact, that has had one snap on them.

 

[JBean]

Any larger dog can kill a person or an animal. snipped for space by Jbean

and smaller dog. rare, but certainly possible. This is one of the worst mauling cases on the books:

Small dog kills 6-week-old girl in California



LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities in Los Angeles said.
The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.
The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.
The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.
Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.
"Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed," Solis said.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/pomeranian.kills.ap/