playing devil's advocate

[Nom de plume]

I only started hearing the whole "They don't pay for interviews--They pay for pictures!" after the Casey Anthony case. Why couldn't the media just put bids for an interview and the highest one wins? I believe it was much different 10+ years ago. I'm sure the Ramseys got paid for interviews, but it was never brought up in the media. Nowadays, a child goes missing and someone always accuses the parents of trying to "get rich" from it. I believe that nowadays, they have to use the whole "picture excuse" but back in the 90s, the issue of parents making $$ from their child's case was not as prominent.



When networks are offering their most famous reporters to interview someone, for someone's first in-depth interview, you can bet yourself that a lot of money is being offered.





One little sentence in an article about their media blitz, and that's it. Nowadays, people would go crazy if they heard that the media was sending $$ or gifts to parents of missing/murdered children. And if the publishers were getting something from Tiffany--what do you think the R's were getting?

I honestly doubt that the media paid them for pictures. They paid them for an interview--period. It was not like today when a parent opens their mouth, and people already start speculating how much money they've made off the case. It was just not a controversial issue back then, for whatever reason. The media was not hiding behind any "We don't pay for interviews---We pay for pictures!" back then.

Either way, does it matter? If they were paid for an interview or paid for pictures, you can bet that there was some negotiating going on and that the Ramseys were paid a pretty penny.

IMO the R's main focus in life was always $, $$, and more $$$. JR didn't do anything just out of the goodness of his heart, or for free either. :twocents:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Either way, does it matter? If they were paid for an interview or paid for pictures, you can bet that there was some negotiating going on and that the Ramseys were paid a pretty penny.

IMO the R's main focus in life was always $, $$, and more $$$. JR didn't do anything just out of the goodness of his heart, or for free either. :twocents:

I never said it mattered either way. It was just an observation I've made comparing the Ramsey case from 13 years ago to cases today.

 

[midwest mama]

This comes from JR's interview in June 1998, when asked by Michael Kane if he and Patsy were suffering turmoil in their marriage because of JB's death. JR gives a long response, but this is on pg. 348, "JonBenet, the Police Files":
"..And I think if Patsy and I were both to sit down and blame ourselves for lots of things -- not having the alarm on, not checking the doors, not being more security conscious, not letting JonBenet -- I mean, there's lots of things that in retrospect as a parent, my God, how stupid we were."

Not letting JonBenet what????

Also, not checking the doors???? JR gave several conflicting statements about checking doors and windows. Now he's saying they didn't check doors????

Talk about trying to deflect toward probability of an intruder!

 

[Nom de plume]

This comes from JR's interview in June 1998, when asked by Michael Kane if he and Patsy were suffering turmoil in their marriage because of JB's death. JR gives a long response, but this is on pg. 348, "JonBenet, the Police Files":
"..And I think if Patsy and I were both to sit down and blame ourselves for lots of things -- not having the alarm on, not checking the doors, not being more security conscious, not letting JonBenet -- I mean, there's lots of things that in retrospect as a parent, my God, how stupid we were."

Not letting JonBenet what????

Also, not checking the doors???? JR gave several conflicting statements about checking doors and windows. Now he's saying they didn't check doors????

Talk about trying to deflect toward probability of an intruder!

CBM

Good question! My first thought is that he's alluding to not "letting" her compete in pageants....like it was really her idea to begin with.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Hey, Midwest Mama...in the "Police Files" book, does it say how the National Enquirer got their hands on all the transcripts? I'm asking because I follow the Dylan Redwine case, which is also in Colorado, so I'm trying to see how this case information becomes public.

 

[midwest mama]

Hey, Midwest Mama...in the "Police Files" book, does it say how the National Enquirer got their hands on all the transcripts? I'm asking because I follow the Dylan Redwine case, which is also in Colorado, so I'm trying to see how this case information becomes public.

This comes from the Introduction of the book:
"And now the National Enquirer has obtained the evidence that reveals exactly what happened when police were finally able to interrogate the Ramseys". Another statement said, "...the Ramsey tapes finally shed light on the Boulder Police Department's pursuit of John and Patsy Ramsey."

Tabloids are known to pay for getting their information. It does appear that that they somehow "obtained" tapes of the interviews, not transcripts.

 

[midwest mama]

CBM

Good question! My first thought is that he's alluding to not "letting" her compete in pageants....like it was really her idea to begin with.

To update myself here, in going back over "Police Files", there were statements made that JonBenet was not allowed to get out of the car and walk into the "Star" on the hill they went to look at, because she had on velvet shoes and it was snowy, which didn't sit well with JB. Also, as they were leaving to go to the White's, JB asked John to help her ride her new bike a bit, which he did, but she wanted to ride it around the block once also, which he denied her, due to time factor.

About the pageants..............there were several statements made by Patsy (pg 177, 178) that John was in attendance at the pageants, and IIRC John made statements that minimized his attendance at pageants, and described them as "bizarre" during one of his TV interviews.

 

[Darlene733510]

I will take a guess at the statement John made......how about not letting her go and get in bed with Burke, or letting Burke get in bed with her. Remember the pajamas by her bed that were too big for her?

 

[midwest mama]

For some reason, the statements from JR and JAR about "forgiveness" for JB's killer is played up, making us, IMO, think the family is trying to protect itself, especially Burke, against harsh judgement as possible suspects.

But here's Patsy's reaction, when asked by Steve Thomas, as to feelings about what to do with JB's killer: (pg 101 - "Police Files")
"ST: Do you think the person who did this, under any circumstances, would deserve a second chance?
PR: A second chance?
ST: Pity or forgiveness?
PR: Oh God, no......
ST: What should happen to this person that we apprehend, Patsy?
PR: I don't know what you do to people that do this. But whatever it is, strongest punishment there is.........."

The most likely, statistical, perpetrators of child incestuous sexual molestation both would like to have us think they want mercy for JB's killer, and the child's mother, who faced the most popular public opinions of guilt for JB's murder, would like to see the killer face the utmost punishment.

Something is not right with this picture.

 

[UKGuy]

To update myself here, in going back over "Police Files", there were statements made that JonBenet was not allowed to get out of the car and walk into the "Star" on the hill they went to look at, because she had on velvet shoes and it was snowy, which didn't sit well with JB. Also, as they were leaving to go to the White's, JB asked John to help her ride her new bike a bit, which he did, but she wanted to ride it around the block once also, which he denied her, due to time factor.

About the pageants..............there were several statements made by Patsy (pg 177, 178) that John was in attendance at the pageants, and IIRC John made statements that minimized his attendance at pageants, and described them as "bizarre" during one of his TV interviews.

midwest mama,
Yes JR's attempts at distancing himself from the pageants is curious. Nearly everyone else including the Paugh family indulged themselves with pageants.

Perfect Murder/Perfect Town

The Gingerbread nationals were scheduled for August 1996. Pam offered to take JonBenét to the pageant, since it conflicted with the Ramseys’ family reunion. Patsy said no thanks, Pam told the police. JonBenét had to be with her family, Patsy said. This would be true for any pageants that conflicted with family events. Moreover, when the Royal Miss nationals moved to Las Vegas, Patsy told Pam that John didn’t want his six-year-old daughter exposed to Vegas.

Whats to see for a six-year old in Vegas?

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On December 17, JonBenét entered the All Star Kids Christmas pageant at the Airport Holiday Inn outside Denver. Her parents watched her win several titles, including Little Miss Christmas. When it was all over, John carried all her trophies and costumes to the car. It would be her last pageant

6 days later JonBenet did not feel pretty? You know what is interesting about the dates is that a weekend splits the 17th and the 23rd. The 23rd was a Monday! Assuming my calender is correct.

That is one day between the 911 call and her death, wow!


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[DeeDee249]

midwest mama,
Yes JR's attempts at distancing himself from the pageants is curious. Nearly everyone else including the Paugh family indulged themselves with pageants.

Perfect Murder/Perfect Town

Whats to see for a six-year old in Vegas?

...

6 days later JonBenet did not feel pretty? You know what is interesting about the dates is that a weekend splits the 17th and the 23rd. The 23rd was a Monday! Assuming my calender is correct.

That is one day between the 911 call and her death, wow!


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Possibly JR know how PATSY would be influenced by Vegas and therefore, put JB in even more outlandish outfits- she'd be even more sexualized. Perhaps JR was also concerned how his son(s) would react to that.
As far as the dates- Many of JB's visits to the school nurse were said to occur on a Monday- after a weekend at home being in the company of her abuser, I'd say. JAR was known to visit his father's house on the weekends, despite having a dorm room 15 minutes away.

 

[Chrishope]

Possibly JR know how PATSY would be influenced by Vegas and therefore, put JB in even more outlandish outfits- she'd be even more sexualized. Perhaps JR was also concerned how his son(s) would react to that.
As far as the dates- Many of JB's visits to the school nurse were said to occur on a Monday- after a weekend at home being in the company of her abuser, I'd say. JAR was known to visit his father's house on the weekends, despite having a dorm room 15 minutes away.

It's my understanding that JAR was a member of Chi Psi frat house at the time of the murder. The house is across the street from the campus. IOWs, it's even closer than the dorms. A short walk from 15th street, and just a minute or two by car. Corner of Broadway and College (1080 14th street, according to A Candy Rose) 6/10ths of a mile from what is now 749 15th St.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...a=X&ei=FGJXUdbVCoPW9ASZkIHgBw&ved=0CDAQ8gEwAA

Not that I think JAR did it.